got my first indi album in 1997(?) when my parents sent me into a radio station to pick up tickets we had won on one of those call in radio contests. while I was in the lobby some Internet walked out with two CDs in her hands. she told me to pick one. and then she handed me that one and walked off.
It ended up being Pavement, brighten the corners. for a kid in highschool it ended up being pretty life changing.
I know it's meant to say "intern", but the mental image of the biblically accurate incarnation of the Internet randomly handing you one of two CDs like a red pill/blue pill offer is hilarious.
Not bad. Can top though. I was maybe 6 or 7 and had some birthday money. May have been Kmart or target but my grandparents took me there to spend it on whatever. Being that age I ended up picking out School House Rocks Rocks. Ween, Daniel Johnston, Pavement (who do an amazing cover of No Kings btw), Skeelo, Biz Markie, etc all doing covers of the songs I loved to watch and hear at my babysitter
Needless to say, it took many years for me to actually recognize that the artists I enjoy most were actually there with me at the very start of my personal music journey.
Still have the CD. Even found a cassette copy some years back.
I don't know what happened, but your message seems to have a lot of extra empty lines, and it's spanning tens of screens on my client... I'm curious, was this intentional? I have no idea how that'd happen accidentally, but it'd be pretty funny
my problem is i don't understand how to categorise the music i listen to based on genre labels. Also I don't use a music service that has analytics or listen to playlists so I have no clue how mainstream my tastes in particular artists are
If you type an artist's name in the search bar it'll give you relevant genres. You can then click one of those genres and you'll get a word cloud of artists. Clicking an artist name gives you a short sample of their music. You can also go back to the home page, do a ctrl+F for a genre, and see similar genres grouped up close by to it
It's definitely not ideal on phones, but I don't think the intended usage of the main page is to manually scroll around on either phone or PC. The massive word cloud looks exactly the same on a bigger screen. Use a "find in page" to jump to a genre you want to check out and then see what's near it. The audio all works the same as it does on PC (for me, at least)
Yeah, I've been through a similar journey but with metal.
Starting with pop-punk and nu-metal as a young lad, I went to more and more extreme stuff over the years to reach stuff like Slam Death, Gorenoise, DSBM or drone, that are barely tolerable even for seasoned metal fans.
But when you reach transcendence (or the bottom of the cesspool, in that case...), you go full circle and listen to pop music again.
At that point I'd say I listen equal part of the cutest k-pop stuff you can find and brutal slam or hxc beatdown; which highly confuses recommendation algorithms!
Anyway, there is light at the bottom of the rabbit hole, so go all the way in, you might find interesting stuff along the way!
Probably not so different from you situation: the recommendation juste gave up and just serves me on repeat the songs I already listen, being totally incapable to propose anything new.
they're definitely considered indie but definitely not obscure imo, they're one of the best known indie bands. most of the stuff on that tier is pretty popular
Using the "noncommercial"/"non-major label" definition, a lot of death metal is indie anyway! It's pretty absurd that "indie" is just a music genre for most people nowadays.
Yeah I did the same thing with movies too. These days I feel like I can appreciate the artistic value in just about everything. I don't have to spend energy 'hating' on music and movies, and can just enjoy something simple, or move on if it's not for me.
I realise that the only thing that annoyed me back way back when was the hype and promotion surrounding these songs.
For example, Ed Sheeran. I'm sure he's a good singer, I'm sure his songs are genuinely game changing.... but the sheer amount of hype surrounding him makes me not want to listen his songs, because I know he will not live up to it
yeah, Brat is club dance pop. Magdalena Bay seems closer to your taste but it's also hugely psychedelic. but i cannot recommend enough their both LPs and mini-mixes.
and i also have a feeling you might love Chairlift and solo albums of Caroline Polachek. so you wouldn't at least think "it's not even close" anymore :)
Don't think I've heard it in full. Supernatural (Danny L Harle) is what brought her back to my attention, all the way from Call Me Maybe (not sure if I've heard anything else from her between those)
From the moment I heard Supernatural, I was hooked. I kinda love this sound that feels like pure pop, perfect pop. Needless to say, PC Music had me
Give it a shot! I'm only making bold claims for engagement. The album is really good though. It's less dancey than the one you linked, different vibe but you might like it.
Well, maybe I'll see if I can find a spot, put it in rotation. I did (and still do) really like The Loneliest Time (the track. Not sure if I listened to the album). Which I'd say is less dancey, but still great. Just sounds so… idk, so perfect. So good. I should probably make a collection of perfect pop
It happens to us all. When Avatar was new in theaters a friend asked me I haven't seen it and my legit knee jerk reaction was "because it's so popular" I immediately got flamed for that response, but I meant I just don't want to be in a crowded theatre. If I do watch a movie in theaters it's usually because it's been out for a while and the crowds are smaller.
I tend to like only specific albums of bands, and you often see a shift towards less energetic music with more intricate arrangements later in a band's career that I usually don't care for. Unless it's extreme metal, those bands usually have energy in spades and aggressive music benefits a ton from higher production value, especially if you like bass.
One of the coolest drummer friends i had, who was punk as all hell used to say he thought the best musician ever was Sara Bareilles (you know her 1 hit, trust me) and was unironically excited to have saved up to see her play.
I still argue its Paul Simon. That afterlife song is still one of the most punk things i have ever heard.
The great thing about music is its about finding someone giving their emotions so strongly it turns into something beautiful that others can empathize with to not feel as alone in our feelings. Its all good as long as someone can connect with it.
I do listen to a lot of independent music, but it's more the 'hobbyist musician posts their stuff on a genre-specific or music software forum and I check out their soundcloud and bandcamp' variant. Most of the stuff is hardly innovative, it's just that certain styles are either really rare in general or were popular like 15 years ago. YouTube can be pretty useful for this kind of stuff, too, for some (micro-)genres.
I suppose I might not be an indie snob. Except maybe for the word definition. Did you know that 'indie' used to describe the material conditions of music creation and distribution instead of being a music genre?
I suppose I listen to "Indy" music, more so that I started a few years ago when I started driving and would listen to whatever Spotify autoreccomended to me after a playlist ends and if I like it I'll add it to a playlist or something. YouTube recommendations are good for finding new genres like vocaloid.
I don't really care if a song is popular at all, a song from somebody named "Sophiaaaahjkl;8901" whos pfp is a furry eating a hamburger will be more important to me than something from Grandson.
But at least it's a good album worth listening too. It's good that a meme gets people to listen to new interesting things. Or one of the other big meme albums like in the court of the crimson king, or maggot brain.
Yes indeed scary red face is the other big one. Both excellent albums for sure! I'm personally so past the stage of not allowing myself to like stuff because it's popular so totally agree with you.
Beach bunny’s emotional creature is legitimately fire tho I mean it’s srs bsns prom queen, like for tame impala if every song on that album was mixed with sexy back https://youtu.be/4xW5dqEZQu0
Im not into Indie, but I'm into speedcore (techno at 300+ bpm) and its subgenres like Extratone (3600+ BPM) so I am in the last picture. Just as a reference, this is one of the hardest songs that I have in my playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RsYD0c50H4
I never understood what Indie actually means, conceptually. Like, some people only listen to music if the musician depends on someone else, and some people only listen to independent ones.
Don't you guys just listen to shit and decide if you like it?
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TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 341d
got my first indi album in 1997(?) when my parents sent me into a radio station to pick up tickets we had won on one of those call in radio contests. while I was in the lobby some Internet walked out with two CDs in her hands. she told me to pick one. and then she handed me that one and walked off.
It ended up being Pavement, brighten the corners. for a kid in highschool it ended up being pretty life changing.
rtxn@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 341d
I know it's meant to say "intern", but the mental image of the biblically accurate incarnation of the Internet randomly handing you one of two CDs like a red pill/blue pill offer is hilarious.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 341d
that may well have been what happened
_wizard@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 341d
Not bad. Can top though. I was maybe 6 or 7 and had some birthday money. May have been Kmart or target but my grandparents took me there to spend it on whatever. Being that age I ended up picking out School House Rocks Rocks. Ween, Daniel Johnston, Pavement (who do an amazing cover of No Kings btw), Skeelo, Biz Markie, etc all doing covers of the songs I loved to watch and hear at my babysitter
Needless to say, it took many years for me to actually recognize that the artists I enjoy most were actually there with me at the very start of my personal music journey.
Still have the CD. Even found a cassette copy some years back.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 341d
finding ween at any point is life changing
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 341d
I don't know what happened, but your message seems to have a lot of extra empty lines, and it's spanning tens of screens on my client... I'm curious, was this intentional? I have no idea how that'd happen accidentally, but it'd be pretty funny
_wizard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 341d
Yeah, that is hella weird. I did edit for punctuation. Using jerboa.
Here's an edit.
And another. Same issue?
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 340d
This comment is completely fine, no weird empty lines. I guess it might be some weird bug in jerboa, I'd look into it but I'll probably forget :V
sad_detective_man@leminal.space · 28 pts · 341d
you telling me I'm going to enjoy music again one day? I'm not even mad
Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 341d
my problem is i don't understand how to categorise the music i listen to based on genre labels. Also I don't use a music service that has analytics or listen to playlists so I have no clue how mainstream my tastes in particular artists are
Skua@kbin.earth · 20 pts · 341d
You should try https://everynoise.com/
If you type an artist's name in the search bar it'll give you relevant genres. You can then click one of those genres and you'll get a word cloud of artists. Clicking an artist name gives you a short sample of their music. You can also go back to the home page, do a ctrl+F for a genre, and see similar genres grouped up close by to it
exu@feditown.com · 6 pts · 341d
That website was not made for phones at all
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 12 pts · 341d
Good. grumpy face
exu@feditown.com · 7 pts · 341d
It takes effort to make a website that is broken for mobile. The author could save that effort
https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
Skua@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 341d
It's definitely not ideal on phones, but I don't think the intended usage of the main page is to manually scroll around on either phone or PC. The massive word cloud looks exactly the same on a bigger screen. Use a "find in page" to jump to a genre you want to check out and then see what's near it. The audio all works the same as it does on PC (for me, at least)
sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 341d
Yeah, I've been through a similar journey but with metal.
Starting with pop-punk and nu-metal as a young lad, I went to more and more extreme stuff over the years to reach stuff like Slam Death, Gorenoise, DSBM or drone, that are barely tolerable even for seasoned metal fans.
But when you reach transcendence (or the bottom of the cesspool, in that case...), you go full circle and listen to pop music again.
At that point I'd say I listen equal part of the cutest k-pop stuff you can find and brutal slam or hxc beatdown; which highly confuses recommendation algorithms!
Anyway, there is light at the bottom of the rabbit hole, so go all the way in, you might find interesting stuff along the way!
exu@feditown.com · 6 pts · 341d
Even my current playlist ranging from anime OPs to metalcore confuses the algorithm. I can't imagine your situation.
sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 341d
Probably not so different from you situation: the recommendation juste gave up and just serves me on repeat the songs I already listen, being totally incapable to propose anything new.
Sergio@piefed.social · 3 pts · 341d
Dunno much about drone, but I've recently started listening to noise and dark ambient that's sometimes also labeled drone. Any recommendations?
sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 341d
It's been a while, and I never dug that much on this one, I guess the only projects I listened properly was Sunn 0))), but it's fairly well known.
Otherwise, it's not exactly drone but the Hagbulbia album by Portal is terrifying imo. Highly recommended if you're looking for this kind of mood.
Sergio@piefed.social · 2 pts · 340d
thanks, I'm listening now, gonna have to dig out my best headphones!
sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 340d
Enjoy / good luck x)
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 14 pts · 341d
Wait, cage the elephant is considered indie and obscure? They were the intro to borderlands lol, that's where I heard of them
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 341d
My att fifty plus year old mom bought their album before I even played borderlands. But she's also cool AF.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 340d
This is also how I discovered The Heavy who is to this day one of my favorite bands that somehow no one I speak to has ever heard of
nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 340d
they're definitely considered indie but definitely not obscure imo, they're one of the best known indie bands. most of the stuff on that tier is pretty popular
vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 341d
I’m old enough that my baby shit is now revered as works of absolute genius by the millennial amateur music historians.
We’re all dust in the wind, but if you aren’t a stuck up cunt, you get to have a cool soundtrack you enjoy.
cannon_annon88@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 341d
I took a weird path, starting with death metal as a young teenager and ending up listening to indie music anyways.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 11 pts · 341d
Using the "noncommercial"/"non-major label" definition, a lot of death metal is indie anyway! It's pretty absurd that "indie" is just a music genre for most people nowadays.
cannon_annon88@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 340d
I was actually thinking of editing my comment to add a similar thought; I couldn't agree more with everything you said.
tetris11@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 341d
Same kinda. Reject any music played over the radio and seek my own journey.
I ended up with listening to Lady Gaga, and going "ohh... she's actually got some nice bossy tunes. oh wait this might be why she was popular."
cannon_annon88@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 340d
Yeah I did the same thing with movies too. These days I feel like I can appreciate the artistic value in just about everything. I don't have to spend energy 'hating' on music and movies, and can just enjoy something simple, or move on if it's not for me.
tetris11@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 340d
I realise that the only thing that annoyed me back way back when was the hype and promotion surrounding these songs.
For example, Ed Sheeran. I'm sure he's a good singer, I'm sure his songs are genuinely game changing.... but the sheer amount of hype surrounding him makes me not want to listen his songs, because I know he will not live up to it
abbotsbury@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 341d
check out the album Absolute Elsewhere by Blood Incantation
seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 341d
Wdym machine girl is obscure why is it on the before last tier
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 341d
Machine Girl should definitely go next to Death Grips
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 341d
Bro, how dare you put snail mail as more popular than ok computer!
Radio head is like THE indie band everyone knows. I'd put it above tame Impala on this list.
Sergio@piefed.social · 9 pts · 341d
Yeah, but everybody only knows "Creep." (Source: I only know "Creep".)
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 341d
I let all other Radiohead songs play, but I immediately skip creep.
Redacted@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 340d
Try out karma police, thats my fav
Crazazy@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 340d
I got introduced to them via Idioteque
Haven't listened to much other stuff of them but that is a nice electronic song
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 340d
And paranoid Android.
MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 340d
Not even no surprise?
Sergio@piefed.social · 0 pts · 340d
Just listening to it now. Never heard it before.
Xoriff@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 340d
Or "15 Step" from In Rainbows? That entire album was amazing
nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 340d
god i love in rainbows
Sergio@piefed.social · 2 pts · 340d
Just listening to that one now, never heard it before either. Wait, is this a trick to get me to listen to the entire Radiohead catalog?!?
Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 340d
There are worse ways to spend your weekend. While you're at it, check out Up on the Ladder, I Might Be Wrong, and Reckoner.
ghost_towels@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 340d
The Bends. Best album ever.
supergrizzlybear@pawb.social · 8 pts · 341d
oof the fantano line stings but its true
lemmyknow@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 341d
100 gecs is cool, but idk most of the other shit (Carly Rae Jepsen does have some great tunes, though I know not all). Guess I skipped ahead
Xraygoggles@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 341d
Emotion is the best pop album in the last 10 years and it's not even close.
froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 340d
not even close? how about Imaginal Disk? Brat?
Xraygoggles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 340d
I'm pretty sure Brat has too much club energy but I'm very excited to check out that Imaginal Disk.
I'm just a sucker for synth pop saccharine crush romance.
froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 340d
yeah, Brat is club dance pop. Magdalena Bay seems closer to your taste but it's also hugely psychedelic. but i cannot recommend enough their both LPs and mini-mixes. and i also have a feeling you might love Chairlift and solo albums of Caroline Polachek. so you wouldn't at least think "it's not even close" anymore :)
Xraygoggles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 340d
Very cool, thanks! Emotion apparently came out over 10 years ago now so I gotta update my rhetoric anyway. 😂
lemmyknow@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 341d
Don't think I've heard it in full. Supernatural (Danny L Harle) is what brought her back to my attention, all the way from Call Me Maybe (not sure if I've heard anything else from her between those)
From the moment I heard Supernatural, I was hooked. I kinda love this sound that feels like pure pop, perfect pop. Needless to say, PC Music had me
Xraygoggles@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 340d
Give it a shot! I'm only making bold claims for engagement. The album is really good though. It's less dancey than the one you linked, different vibe but you might like it.
lemmyknow@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 340d
Well, maybe I'll see if I can find a spot, put it in rotation. I did (and still do) really like The Loneliest Time (the track. Not sure if I listened to the album). Which I'd say is less dancey, but still great. Just sounds so… idk, so perfect. So good. I should probably make a collection of perfect pop
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 341d
(Lizzo does slap).
I was a fan of the moldy peaches and Frank turner before their big breaks, and that’s my only music cred.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 341d
Frank Turner is still alright if not a little more poppy now after the success of the way I tend to be.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 341d
Yeah, I feel like a real hipster saying this, but I liked both of them better before they got big.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 340d
It happens to us all. When Avatar was new in theaters a friend asked me I haven't seen it and my legit knee jerk reaction was "because it's so popular" I immediately got flamed for that response, but I meant I just don't want to be in a crowded theatre. If I do watch a movie in theaters it's usually because it's been out for a while and the crowds are smaller.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 340d
I tend to like only specific albums of bands, and you often see a shift towards less energetic music with more intricate arrangements later in a band's career that I usually don't care for. Unless it's extreme metal, those bands usually have energy in spades and aggressive music benefits a ton from higher production value, especially if you like bass.
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 7 pts · 340d
One of the coolest drummer friends i had, who was punk as all hell used to say he thought the best musician ever was Sara Bareilles (you know her 1 hit, trust me) and was unironically excited to have saved up to see her play.
I still argue its Paul Simon. That afterlife song is still one of the most punk things i have ever heard.
The great thing about music is its about finding someone giving their emotions so strongly it turns into something beautiful that others can empathize with to not feel as alone in our feelings. Its all good as long as someone can connect with it.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 7 pts · 341d
I do listen to a lot of independent music, but it's more the 'hobbyist musician posts their stuff on a genre-specific or music software forum and I check out their soundcloud and bandcamp' variant. Most of the stuff is hardly innovative, it's just that certain styles are either really rare in general or were popular like 15 years ago. YouTube can be pretty useful for this kind of stuff, too, for some (micro-)genres.
I suppose I might not be an indie snob. Except maybe for the word definition. Did you know that 'indie' used to describe the material conditions of music creation and distribution instead of being a music genre?
atomicpoet@piefed.social · 5 pts · 341d
Then there’s me: buying up 45s and cassettes, putting them up on !recordpics@piefed.social.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 4 pts · 340d
that got a solid chuckle out of me
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 340d
I suppose I listen to "Indy" music, more so that I started a few years ago when I started driving and would listen to whatever Spotify autoreccomended to me after a playlist ends and if I like it I'll add it to a playlist or something. YouTube recommendations are good for finding new genres like vocaloid.
I don't really care if a song is popular at all, a song from somebody named "Sophiaaaahjkl;8901" whos pfp is a furry eating a hamburger will be more important to me than something from Grandson.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 341d
That neutral milk hotel album is a bit of an indie meme at this point tbh, especially if you collect vinyl it's basically in everyone's collection.
__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 340d
But at least it's a good album worth listening too. It's good that a meme gets people to listen to new interesting things. Or one of the other big meme albums like in the court of the crimson king, or maggot brain.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 340d
Yes indeed scary red face is the other big one. Both excellent albums for sure! I'm personally so past the stage of not allowing myself to like stuff because it's popular so totally agree with you.
nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 340d
god i fucking LOVE maggot brain, makes me sad how few people know what Frusciante was quoting in that solo (is it under the bridge?)
prex@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 341d
2+ hours of the ocean near antarctica
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 340d
Xiu Xiu! I suppose I’m jaded adult. I saw Xiu Xiu in the mid 00s and I’ve never cried that much at a concert before or since.
recklessengagement@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 340d
Just listen to what sounds good to you, everyone else can fuck off
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 340d
I recognize every album from the third entry but none from the second
glizzyguzzler@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 341d
Beach bunny’s emotional creature is legitimately fire tho I mean it’s srs bsns prom queen, like for tame impala if every song on that album was mixed with sexy back https://youtu.be/4xW5dqEZQu0
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 340d
I get to see Pretty Girls Make Graves today <3
Redacted@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 340d
Its always so pathetic meeting someone that needs to have The Correct Opinion on music.
A song is good because I like it and thats always been enough for me, i dont need to prove or gatekeep shit and neither does anyone else.
maccentric@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 340d
*No More Kings
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 1 pts · 340d
Im not into Indie, but I'm into speedcore (techno at 300+ bpm) and its subgenres like Extratone (3600+ BPM) so I am in the last picture. Just as a reference, this is one of the hardest songs that I have in my playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RsYD0c50H4
Most stuff I listen to is not that hard and more along the lines of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkivY3wwQHc
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 339d
I never understood what Indie actually means, conceptually. Like, some people only listen to music if the musician depends on someone else, and some people only listen to independent ones.
Don't you guys just listen to shit and decide if you like it?
sleepmode@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 340d
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 340d
What does it mean if you only know albums from the bottom half?