Democratic Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania continued the Democrats’ piling on against Palestinians this past Sunday.
Fetterman asserted to CNN’s Manu Raju: “There’s no ethnic cleansing. It’s not a genocide. This is a just war.”
Asked by Raju if Israel was using “starvation as a weapon,” he claimed: “No. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Israel is not deliberately starving people, absolutely.”
He added: “Those conditions are miserable there. And it is hell on earth. Why? Some people blame Israel for that? I blame Hamas and Iran for that thing.”
This continues most Democrats’ failure to recognize the Gaza genocide, even walking back the genocide assertion in the recent case of Congresswoman Katherine Clark, a top leader in the House of Representatives.
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HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 90 pts · 336d
"Literal brain damaged politician makes obviously incorrect statement."
ech@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 335d
From what I hear he was a turd before the stroke, too.
axexrx@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
Just better at filtering / masking it from what I gather.
Cassanderer@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 335d
He denied the harmful effects of fracking from the get-go. Just ignoring all the people whose Water and Air got permanently poisoned by companies that came in and fracked and then left them poisoned. I knew fetterman was a piece of shit right from the start because of that. There's no way he could not be.
xyzzy@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 335d
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 81 pts · 336d
Fetterman's brain is scrambled.
Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 336d
This guy turned out to be such a piece of shit.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 336d
Israel has no future, this previously lucrative and geopolitically relevant tool of the West is losing steam and the narratives surrounding it are changing rapidly all across Europe already, and some of the US too. It's distancing and handwashing time, deny any previous allegiance and "we were always against the genocide in Palestine!" time. That makes this Fetterman guy not only amoral and uncaring but also very stupid if he wants to stay in politics.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 336d
I really want you to be right, but I don't think you are.
ileftreddit@piefed.social · 34 pts · 335d
devolution@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 336d
John Fetterman (R)
Phegan@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 335d
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
I just realized I've never seen a zombie wearing shorts.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 336d
"just a war", where 80% of the casualties are civilians?
Uh, ok Lennie.
synae@lemmy.sdf.org · 17 pts · 335d
It's far worse than that- he's saying it's a just war, as in, justified. For justice.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 334d
Holy shit, I had to re-read the headline. FFS!
He's a straight-up genocide apologist.
kahdbrixk@feddit.org · 1 pts · 334d
It's even worse when you use the original order of words.
There is nothing "just" about any war, especially not this one.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 335d
Says who? Hamas?
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 335d
Source: The Guardian
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 334d
Those are minimum numbers of Hamas killed. It is just the ones Israel were able to name.
How many civilians was Israel able to name?
Gaza Health Authority are Hamas run. They lied about 500 killed by Israel at Al Ahli hospital early on in the war. The hospital wasn't even hit, it was in the car park and it was a Palestinian Intifada Jihad rocket.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 334d
I went looking and found a source for what I wanted to say. Feel free to provide any kind of source for your claim. Otherwise, it would follow that you aren't interested in actually discussing, just making accusations.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 333d
You go first, otherwise it would follow that you aren't interested in actually discussing, just making accusations.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 333d
I did, the Guardian story. My source was in place before my request for yours.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 333d
The Guardian are not comparing like with like.
I was hoping you would come up with evidence that Al Ahli hospital was bombed... by anyone.
Here is a video of the Al Ahli aftermath showing only a crater in the car park.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 334d
Oh OK, this guy says it so it must be true. Isreal isn't actually striking hospitals, it's just a car park and its always Palestinian rockets. Trust me.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 334d
There were no photos of Al Ahli hospital damage. Can you show otherwise?
There was video of the blast in the car park. I can show you that (taken by a Gazan the morning after).
The misfiring Palestinian rocket was unintentionally captured in live footage by Al Jazeera.
I am not talking about other hospitals. Seems you don't know much about this one though. There is no need to trust me, the evidence is there if you care to look for it.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 334d
Says literally everyone that isn't an IDF propaganda mouthpiece.
0ndead@infosec.pub · 19 pts · 336d
Somebody primary this fuckhead
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 335d
Can we stop lumping Mr Fetterman in with Democrats? The only thing marking him as a Democrat is a sign on his door, and it's only blue because he'd already eaten the red Crayola.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 20 pts · 335d
Well why not? Have the democrats kicked him out of their party? If not then this behaviour is literally condoned by democrats.
Cassanderer@thelemmy.club · 8 pts · 335d
That and being in complete lock step on Israel. Good god, Senator wyden just voted to send more assault rifles to Israel to be handed out to settlers in the West Bank. And he is one of the better ones.
If you want a an issue too differentiate between fetterman and the rest of the democrats, this is not it.
grumpusbumpus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
If aiding genocide is our "lesser evil," we don't have a lesser evil.
HoopyFrood@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 334d
No, we do not. That much is clear
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 335d
Dude! Just because you're Jewish doesn't mean you have to follow blindly. Fucking people and their tribalism. Look a Bernie, Jon Stewart etc they have eyes. Fuck Jerry Seinfeld.
Greddan@feddit.org · -8 pts · 335d
ripcord@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
I'm 100000% against this genocide and anyone who is for it.
But this is straight racism / antisemitism.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · -2 pts · 335d
I personally think it's fair to call circumcision child abuse. I've seen children aged between 4 and 8 freshly traumatized by the event -although the boys in question were muslim, I believe the practice is roughly the same -for no practical benefit at all.
More details as to why I think it's a shitty thing to force onto young boys : Imagine this, being brought somewhere -by adults you know and trust!- under the guise of showing you something cool, or some other excuse -then suddenly being forcibly held down by these same people while another nips the foreskin. Of course you're battling throughout, which makes an accident all the more likely. How do you think you feel afterwards ? that's terrifying. Traumatizing. And a sacred trust was broken. You might forget, but this has scarred you for life. All kinds of trust issues can emerge from this experience. I can't say yet to what extent, it's too early. But to me it's complete madness. It's the thoughtless perpetuation of an absurd, harmful ritual.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
That's absolutely not the part I was focused on.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · -4 pts · 335d
Ok
axexrx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
Huh ive honestly never heard of circumcision as either an infancy thing, where they dont remember it, or as a conscious choice made by an adult (usually as partof conversion.)
Not trying to discount your experience, just saying I dont think its common at all.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
In that first paragraph did you write the opposite of what you meant?
axexrx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
Yeah, i totally did. Meant to say as anything other than infancy ....
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 0 pts · 335d
Probably, that's how I understood at least
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
You're saying that during infancy or adulthood is LEAST common...?
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 335d
If it's deliberate, I have nothing to say against it. It's your own body.
But forcing it onto boys, I can't agree with. I don't think the age at which it's done is very relevant tbh. Once in a while it's botched and the boy needs reattachment surgery. In some cases they're crippled for life, can't lead a normal sex life. These happen around me (although rarely), it's real
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 15 pts · 334d
Whenever Festerman opens his mouth, I assume shit is going to come issuing forth.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
And you would be assuming correctly
drmoose@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 335d
Is that the guy that got some drug induced retardation?
bigfondue@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 335d
drmoose@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 335d
Yet another confirmation that conservatism is a mental disorder.
AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 335d
taking critical damage will reroll your character
Cassanderer@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 335d
He was a piece of shit before the stroke. Don't blame the stroke for his piece of shitism, he was playing his voters, still is playing them the old spiteful other guy is worse so you have to vote for me play that has brought us to this place with Republicans controlling every branch of Congress.
bigfondue@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 336d
That's the entire party stance.
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 335d
Wtf happened to this guy? I'll admit I didn't follow him closely but wasn't he vaguely progressive and had common sense? I know he had a stroke but does stroking out make you start acting like a total asshole?
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
It can, yes.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 334d
No, he was a zionist who had chased a black man through his neighborhood with a shotgun because he assumed the man was robbing people before he was elected. But his primary opponent was also a racist receiving AIPAC money, and he said some vague pro-union things and changed his PFP to a hammer and sickle so everyone either looked the other way and pretended he was more left than he showed, or at least he was the lesser evil.
pyre@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 334d
literal brain damage, yes. it's not entirely shocking for someone to become a conservative when their brain is no longer working properly. plus it makes one easier to manipulate, which is also a conservative trait.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 334d
People are too willing to project all their hopes onto politicians, and always end up disappointed.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
I remember when he got popular, i kept thinking “this silver spoon baby just put on a hoodie and shorts and everyone thinks he’s one of us?” I would get downvoted on Reddit for saying it was all an act, a smokescreen to ingratiate himself with voters on the left. Bet you he’s happy to wear a suit when he sucks Putin’s dick
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 336d
Gisele should primary him.
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 336d
Has she decided his positions and taken clear stances against her husband? If not, what's the point?
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 335d
This 350 pound brain-dead zombie should just retire already.
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 335d
Fuck I forgot about this Lyrch looking mother fucking ghoul.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
I think any kind of brain damage should make you unsuitable for elected office. This tool clearly has had his mind broken.
Nightlight17776@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 336d
Just a war...
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 336d
And war isn't murder. Simple as.
Cassanderer@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 335d
Fetterment is just a nihilistic piece of shit. Although he actually seemed to take pleasure in trolling the people against Israel's abuse of palestinians. Hurting people that can't fight back is fun apparently. People like fetterman is how we get Republicans no one is going to turn out and vote for him again
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 334d
What a fucking disappointment. I hope when his term is up, he just crawls back into whatever cave he emerged from. Fucking cave troll-ass
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 335d
Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
waldo_was_here@piefed.social · 5 pts · 336d
ech@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 336d
"Look what you made
meBibi do!" Fucking victim blaming pos.RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
Come on Gritty, do your job.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 335d
The case for psychological vetting for every elected office.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
Politicians are always keen on those "Fact-Finding Missions". Usually they go to expensive cruises or resorts, but maybe you can send him to find some facts in Gaza, personally, and see if this changes his opinion.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 334d
Heard it before, Johnny. It was "just a stroke".
CannonFodder@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 336d
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 336d
No.
Yes.
Wrong again. You don't routinely shoot children in the head or use the testicles of other children for target practice if you're not intentionally targeting civilians.
Yes.
There's an actual official definition of Genocide:
Israel being guilty of ONE of those things would be enough to make it a genocide and they're guilty of ALL of them. There's no room for good faith denial. None.
Probably just going to get a lot of downvotes or at worst have your hasbara bullshit renoved. Unless you get personal with anyone in a nasty way, you're unlikely to face bans outside of the tankie instances
Free speech doesn't mean speech free from consequences. You're free to fuck around and equally free to find out.
Cassanderer@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 335d
The good guys in any conflicts do not normally go around shooting children in the dick. Knowing nothing else about the situation, if you knew that one side was going around shooting kids in the dick and the other side wasn't, you would know who the bad guys are.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 335d
The Court did not find intent but recently the UN did, circumventing the court. Carnage either way.
I notice that the surrender of Hamas (who still use human shields) is an option this community never calls for.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 335d
Hamas don't have the power to stop the genocide, surrender or not.
This isn't a war between the IOF and Hamas. It's a systematic campaign to demolish every building in Gaza and kill or drive away every Gazan.
I don't know if you're ignorant and spreading misinformation or a zionist intentionally spreading disinformation talking points, but either way 'but Hamas!" is not a valid excuse for tolerating genocide.
Btw, that whole Human Shields thing? Turns out that's IOF projection. they've Been doing it for over half a century. It's part of their standard procedure.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 335d
How so? There was no genocide between 2006 and the Oct 7 attack.
I believe IDF has sent civilians into buildings ahead of raids as shields. Not officially sanctioned but haven't heard of disciplinary measures against it either.
Apparently in their own words, Hamas base themselves in Hospitals. I haven't seen the evidence myself and can't read Arabic anyway.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 335d
There's been an ongoing genocide since the Nakba of 1948 FFS! If you're going to pretend to not be COMPLETELY ignorant, at least get the most basic facts in order.
There's your problem right there. They have two primary missions: to eradicate Palestinian people, culture, and territory; and to lie about doing so on purpose.
Amongst many other uses, yes.
That's because it's de facto sanctioned by the fascist apartheid regime.
Your source of "their own words" being a deleted Reddit post from 10 days ago? Stellar work, Bob Woodward! 🙄
And guess what? Even if the militant wing of Hamas (as opposed to the civil government of Gaza) DID put bases in or beneath hospitals, it would STILL be a war crime to bomb hospitals.
Just like when they raided a hospital to murder injured (alleged) Hamas fighters.
That was ALSO a war crime even if you're gullible enough to believe the IOF account of what they were doing and why.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 334d
1948 is before 2006
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 334d
"Ongoing since 1948" includes every time period between now and 1948.
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 336d
Free speech means you can say it. My free speech says youre a fucking idiot at best, and at worst intentionally downplaying whats happening.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 335d
Except that the comment was deleted by mods.
Soleos@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 336d
In terms of intention, some of the Israeli cabinet has been rather mask off about the deliberatness of the impact on civilians
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/06/hamas-israel-hunger-war-in-gaza
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 335d
Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are considered monsters unanimously in r/worldnews (which normally has competing views on Gaza).
Cassanderer@thelemmy.club · -1 pts · 335d
World news is tremendously Zionist. They probably do not like those guys because they make the argument that Israel is the good guy and possible to win in any real sense. It will not stop them from trying though, they have the power of the state and government and businesses behind them to crush any dissent so they don't need truthful arguments apparently. Still fuck those guys at World News
NABDad@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 335d
It's not difficult to find proof that Israel is engaging in genocide. Listen to this podcast if you're not sure;
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/859/chaos-graph?2024
"Out of the 53 American medical workers surveyed who did emergency care for children in Gaza, 44 said they saw kids shot in the head or chest."
What they're talking about is not kids who were hit by strays or shrapnel. They aren't talking about teenagers old enough to wield weapons. They are taking about 1 - 2 year old BABIES being shot in the head, execution style.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 335d
Contrast that with an ex Green beret (ie UK commando) GHF contractor who lied about a Palestinian boy being killed by IDF.
This guy went on a media tour to blast GHF, then text messages come out showing he was "let go" and then he asked again and again to come back. Now the kid he said he saw killed is actually alive.
Al Jazeera haven’t corrected their story.
NABDad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that because one mercenary lied it means we should disregard the reports from multiple doctors who treated the children?
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 334d
I am saying that when a lie is exposed Al Jazeera do not issue a correction. That damages their integrity.
Think about it: makes more sense for Hamas to shoot Palestinians because they are pissed off about looting made more difficult although they do still loot 87% (along with non-Hamas criminals) according to UN stats which are updated regularly.
Here is a non-Gaza example of Al Jazeera lack of integrity:
NABDad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
Ok, I still don't know what that has to do with what I posted, but if you're looking at integrity, it makes more sense to look at the response of Israel's ally to the report. The U.S. hasn't issued a correction in response to credible reports of Israel murdering children.
From the transcript of the episode:
Of course it should come as no surprise that President Pedophile's administration doesn't care about murdered children either.