There been so much gaslighting I keep thinking I'm missing something as I keep doing the mandatory AI usage from work and largely throwing away the results. Yet I keep repeatedly hear people hush about how great it is.
Last week I finally had something that I thought would be right up it's alley: a fairly milquetoast program that needed to be ported from one language to another. It generated the ugliest unmaintainable code I could imagine. I went to execute the test suite and it failed every single one. The code was ugly, hard to follow, failed to important a number of sanity checks, kept repeating common code without factoring, making up calls that didn't exist. In trying to salvage it, I decided to ask it to implement a super simple check that should have been a one liner and it suggested splatting over a hundred lines of code all over the file to randomly mess with imaginary end points for no apparent reason and still falling to just check the length of the array I told it to.
Meanwhile people at my company who don't even commit any code are writing on internal blogs about how transformative it is, how much it makes their coding better (that they didn't even do) and executives are commenting their vision and intelligence and promoting them...
I actually tried to get an AI to code a simulation for AI agents. God, it's so shitty at everything it does, it is only good to torture for entertainment...and to teach Excel apparently, only uses I found for it.
I will say there's a few common boilerplate things that is easier to express as quick prose and get 4-5 lines out of it, highly predictable lines that I could have probably done myself, a little more convenient when I'm rusty on a language or library. Also code completion, same thing of only good for like 3-5 lines at a time.
Still have to watch it like crazy and carefully fix the mistakes and still throw out what it suggested and it can be pretty annoying, but I'm willing to believe it saved me a smidge of time on those. But anything beyond that and it's a horrible mess I would never abide that's more trouble to try to fix than just scrap and start over. It's hard to stay vigilant and micromanage the details as I'm used to reviewing human code and the sorts of mistakes the LLMs make are distinct from what humans make.
There are a few things it does well, like movie suggestions based on a list of shows you like. And its good at reformatting data you feed it. But It's crap overall. Often takes more time to correct it, than starting from scratch.
Definitely feel the waste of time trying to salvage junk it generated. At best I might have it take a horrible stab at it and then just look for key bits to Internet search, read documentation, and do it the actual right and maintainable way.
3-5 lines of code or has a decent chance at being usable or needing a minor tweak. More than that and it just sucks.
Also did use it with some messy list to find essentially duplicate things that weren't exactly duplicate. It wasn't 100%, with false negatives and positives, but it let me find a lot of them easily and the situation didn't require me to find every single duplicate.
Ah I was trying to keep going with pop culture jokes and was suggesting you may have been Twin Peaks Season 3 zapped into an alternate timeline, where maybe it was back when... was it The Living Daylights?
Whenever it was when whichever Bond movie had Samedi as the big bad came out.
We're required to have them (called GFCI here) near water; bathrooms, kitchens, that sort of thing, but I haven't seen many installed in panels protecting entire homes/shops or protecting banks of several circuits. I don't think I've ever seen one on larger wattage items like clothes dryers or large shop tools either.
Unless that changed within the last 5ish years; not they aren't. But this is nuance that varies region to region; North America doesn't have one single unified electrical code, though most of it is more or less the same.
I'm in a new (rental) home, built roughly 6years ago; the only places I have GFCI is bathrooms and kitchen. (and I believe the outdoor outlet too, but not certain without checking)
Bedrooms and the living room have AFCI breakers, but that's not for protection against shocks. (and no, they're not dual purpose breakers).
Where are GFCI Outlets Required?
Generally installed in areas near water or potential moisture, GFCI outlets are commonly used in kitchens, bathrooms, laundry rooms, garages, unfinished basements, or outdoor spaces, as required by the NEC.
CAFI breakers are required for new builds, which replaced the function of GFCI outlets and also adds arc fault protection.
Not all districts are using the latest version of the NEC, so some regions may not require it yet.
The NEC ground fault protection covers basically every outlet and appliance now except living rooms and bedrooms. Garages, kitchens, bathrooms, exterior outlets, AC units, crawl spaces, accessory buildings.....you name it. Pretty much 70% of your home's electrical has to be ground fault protected now in new builds.
All outlets pretty much everywhere require arc fault protection now, including bedrooms, living rooms, and everywhere ground fault is required.
You can maybe see the AI has kinda sorta merged elements from both of these.
The main problem is that uh... notice how in these real diagrams none of the lines are looped into each other, they are 2 or 3 distinct lines that feed into whatever is being plugged in...
... whereas in the AI diagram... it just forms a continuous loop.
Which... basically means that what the AI labels as 'neutral' and 'ground'... aren't.
Doing that would instantly cause a short cicruit and potentially immediately start a or multiple fires, trip circuit breakers, etc, depending on the voltage/amperage avalaible to the outlet this AI 'death-plug' ie connected to, and how long it takes the circuit breaker to trip.
... thats my layman understanding, corrections from any actual EEs would be appreciated if I've mucked something up.
Just a heads up, those diagrams are also insufficient on their own. They don’t indicate which line goes to the wide blade and which goes to the narrow blade on the plug. Getting that backwards on some devices can cause switching and fusing to be on the wrong line and defeat certain circuit and safety protections.
Much as I encourage people to fix their own things, wiring AC mains connections is one of those “if you have to ask, you probably shouldn’t” kind of things.
Maybe the point is rather "It generates random bullshit diagrams and if you rely on them, things will go wrong". This one might not be lethal, but some other design it produces might.
This isn't the outlet, it's the plug that goes into the outlet. Presuming you had it would fit into (the plugs are oriented wrong), it would be about as safe as shoving a fork in instead.
I understand what it is. But any normal GFCI would trip before it could cause any harm to anything. Even a normal breaker would trip before it created a problem, well other than sparks and likely fire. Since this is covered unlike a bare fork it is moderately safer and would not allow current through the body.
It’s irrelevant though as the image is just stupid. If you can’t immediately see that you should never be allowed near anything electrical.
And there actually is a plug that is oriented like that. It’s a Nema 6-15. And the great thing about it is it’s a 220v 15amp connector. And the plug would also fit in a Nema6-20 which is 20amps. So even more deadly.
The neutral is hot but it's also grounded, electricity should take the path to the ground instead of doing anything meaningful on the neutral. You could probably measure a bit of current but not 220.
Cropping is a lost art that was under appreciated in its time. Oddly, I see it done less even though it’s become substantially easier to do over time, with the tools often built into whatever took the screenshot.
Just as a PSA, black wire to brass screw, white wire to silver screw, bare or green wire to screw on rounded prong. Also, black wire is hot, white is neutral, green is ground.
If the only thing wrong with your appliance is a damaged cord, which usually happens near where it's plugged into the wall, and it is a three-pronged cord, the information above is sufficient to replace the plug. Note that you will need to be able to identify the three wires and the color they represent, which is usually followed in decent power cords (of course, not all of them are decent).
Absolutely, if you aren't confident in your knowledge and don't have someone who can verify your work, don't do it. It's cheaper to throw away any given appliance than it is to throw away your home via an electrical fire. But basic AC electricity isn't that complicated, even if it's more complicated than basic DC electricity.
In addition to what the other person said, there's a wire here connecting the two prongs together. This is a short circuit and would at least blow a breaker and at worst start a fire.
This picture is so frustrating. There's no apparent source for the "live" wire. But if you tried following this with your real wiring (white, black and green do exist), you would be connecting your hot, neutral and ground lines all together. I doubt it would kill you at 120 V but it would definitely trip your breaker the moment you plug it in, and almost certainly make some nice big arcs.
The outlet has three wires (black, white, and green), and the device to be plugged in has three wires (black, white, and green). The whole point of the plug is to connect each color wire to its counterpart, and only to its counterpart.
This is a plug, not an outlet; and it shorts the live + neutral pins together. There is no ground pin present, though a wire labeled ground is also being shorted to the live+neutral pins. (basing 'pins' on shape/colour and ignoring that at least one is in the wrong position)
If this doesn't immediately trip the breaker when plugged in, it's because you have an open neutral; and now whatever's on the end of that ground wire (typically exposed metal) is live.
The live and neutral pins are wired together, so there's not really a reason for the power to travel to that ground wire. Unless the path to the ground of the device, and then from there to actual ground, is shorter, then nothing will flow that way. It's absolutely not safe, but a number of other factors would need to be present before it were deadly.
Unless the path to the ground of the device, and then from there to actual ground, is shorter, then nothing will flow that way.
That's not true. Electricity will take all available paths to return to ground, with current flow relative to the resistance present. In other words, two low resistance paths will share similar amounts of current when both are connected to power.
If you were touching anything connected to that 'ground' wire while also connected to a true ground yourself; you could receive a harmful shock from plugging this in, even with a breaker in-line and successfully tripping. A GFCI device should prevent that shock, but a regular breaker will not trip fast enough.
True actually. If this were the plug for a washing machine, and you were touching it and the tap for the water inlet, you would definitely get shocked still. Edit: The washing machine itself also wouldn't generally have a connection to ground that way, as they usually use plastic hoses.
I'm not sure which of you is correct here but it's fascinating how confidently people on the Internet will make statements. I'm sure one of you has earned that confidence but I'll never know which one. Sadly, the other person should question their life choices pretty hard.
Unless I'm reading this thread incorrectly; I believe Norah was mistaken in the comment I replied to, but came around with my explanation.
The mindset of 'electricity takes the path of least resistance' is really quite common and was actually taught in my highschool; but it's rather misunderstood, if not outright wrong.
The earth wire typically is connected to the metal casing of the appliance, and the earth pin of the plug. This is a critical safety feature, which will cause the circuit protection to trip in the event of phase touching the metal of an appliance.
Connecting phase directly to the metal is an excellent way to kill someone.
First, both 'neutral' and 'ground' are leaving that plug.
Second, that 'ground' wire is connected to both live and neutral, with no actual ground connection present. The other end of that wire is presumably connected to the exposed metal of the appliance this plug would be powering.
Just calling a wire 'ground' doesn't make it ground nor safe; it has to actually be electrically connected to a grounded point.
The ground wire is connected to ground, per the diagram.
The ground wire in the diagram is not connected to your house's grounding device. It is connected to the ground of the appliance, which has no such connection to the actual, physical ground.
This picture doesn't show how to wire socket, but now to wire a plug. The wire that's labeled ground is actually attached to live connector, although I guess that doesn't matter as live and neutral are shorted by white wire.
No, it's not the only wire in the circuit. If that plug is plugged into an outlet, then the hot live wire is coming into the circuit at the pin labelled live, and connecting to the ground wire of the device. That ground wire is usually connected to the metal frame of an appliance. Because of the white wire connecting the live and neutral pins together, it's going to immediately flow back to the breaker box. However, if for whatever reason the path from the ground of the device to actual ground is shorter, then the electricity will flow through the device. It is possible for a person to be in the path to ground. The way this is wired might also circumnavigate an RCD, preventing the safety switch from operating correctly.
An RCD measures the difference in current flow between the phase and neutral, so it will trip in this scenario. An alternative path to earth is precisely what they're designed to detect.
Ah yeah, you're right, my mistake. It's wild to me as an Aussie that they aren't universal in the States. Plenty of houses (or outlets?) don't have them IIRC?
It should; but it's also important to note breakers are not intended to prevent electric shocks, they are intended to protect the wiring within your walls.
The time in between this being plugged in and the relevant breaker tripping IS enough time to receive a harmful shock from that 'ground' wire. Preventing this is the purpose of GFCI devices.
And where does phase go to or come from? The picture shows a short of piece of wire labelled "phase" but that doesn't magically make an otherwise unconnected piece of wire anything active. If labelling anything "phase" could produce energy, boy would my energy bill go down fast 😂
I keep to my statement: The pic shows a completely dead "circuit".
With deeper integration of AI into search machines, such as Google, the distinction between AI generated and real search results becomes more and more complicated.
But those images are hosted by companies other than Google. You might visit those sites instead of staying on a Google-owned domain where they can keep making money off of you.
If this truly needs to be said, a giant meteor is too good for us. I get that people are stupid as fuck but Jesus, trusting your life to AI at this point is next level idiocy
You will trip a breaker or 2. But you won't die. This is an exaggeration. Nevermind it wouldn't even fit a plug?
If I ask it to do the same, it creates the following schematic.
That's a text response, this post is about image generation. Gemini is okay at finding stuff on google to show you, it's basically like a 'Let me Google that for you' machine. The problem is when you ask it to make something new.
Behold, the image response I got using your prompt:
For what it's worth, the terminal screws on US outlets and replacement plugs usually actually are color coded. The screws for the hot (black) wire are gold or brass, and the screws for the neutral (white) wire have a silver finish. The ground screws are usually anodized green.
You'll actually find green colored ground screws in tons of devices, not just outlets and plugs.
What resistance? The screw itself is not intended to carry any current. It just keeps the ground ring or whatever it is in contact with the terminal or the chassis of the device in question.
Doesn't this just bond neutral to ground? It's definitely illegal and will kill you if some other device has a short and makes ground hot, but at least it's not a suicide cord
This is a plug. The big pins are live + neutral, which are shorted together and connected to the wire labeled ground (which heads to the exposed metal of whatever appliance is on the end of this cable).
It would put phase directly on the metal casing of the appliance, if the circuit protection didn't work.
Please avoid the temptation to comment on something you know nothing about, this is actually a serious safety concern if someone followed this diagram.
Even worse. Orientation of pins like this is used in 240V circuit which means it has two antiphase live wires. This means that after shorting them, if one trips but not the other (if these two have independent breakers - idk if code requires otherwise) 120V is sent to device ground, and this one can be cut off by GFCI if used, but i hear it's uncommon
If it was normal 120V circuit, breaker would cut off live and left neutral connected to device ground, which still can be some 20V depending on conditions
It's not even that! The electrons don't even move particularly much. The energy is moved by the E/M field created around the circuit, which is even more wild and mind bending.
White, black, and green coming up the wire. Black to black, white to white, green to ground (not applicable with this type of plug). As wired it would flip the circuit breaker virtually instantly but, if you are really lucky, electrocute you or start a fire with that extra green cord sticking out.
you can more or less see the differences there. Outlets (typically) have the colors in the op's picture, plugs are often different. Some of the ideas are expressed in the pic, like the clamps, while others seem to be a weird skewing of outlets and plugs, and some are obviously just bizarre (read, idiotic for a person with any brainpower) like the white-to-black-to-green pathing.
That's like natural selection in action. Of course I wouldn't want anyone injured, but if you blindly trust something like this, you almost deserve what might happen to you.
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psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 150 pts · 326d
Everytime someone ask AI for wiring diagram, Medhi's mom will go slap them with a slipper.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 120 pts · 326d
It's almost as though an AI designed to make pictures of kittens with boobs has no understanding of how electricity works.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 91 pts · 326d
DO NOT TRUST ANY AI TECHNICAL DRAWING!
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 68 pts · 326d
FTFY
jj4211@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 326d
There been so much gaslighting I keep thinking I'm missing something as I keep doing the mandatory AI usage from work and largely throwing away the results. Yet I keep repeatedly hear people hush about how great it is.
Last week I finally had something that I thought would be right up it's alley: a fairly milquetoast program that needed to be ported from one language to another. It generated the ugliest unmaintainable code I could imagine. I went to execute the test suite and it failed every single one. The code was ugly, hard to follow, failed to important a number of sanity checks, kept repeating common code without factoring, making up calls that didn't exist. In trying to salvage it, I decided to ask it to implement a super simple check that should have been a one liner and it suggested splatting over a hundred lines of code all over the file to randomly mess with imaginary end points for no apparent reason and still falling to just check the length of the array I told it to.
Meanwhile people at my company who don't even commit any code are writing on internal blogs about how transformative it is, how much it makes their coding better (that they didn't even do) and executives are commenting their vision and intelligence and promoting them...
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 326d
I actually tried to get an AI to code a simulation for AI agents. God, it's so shitty at everything it does, it is only good to torture for entertainment...and to teach Excel apparently, only uses I found for it.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 326d
I will say there's a few common boilerplate things that is easier to express as quick prose and get 4-5 lines out of it, highly predictable lines that I could have probably done myself, a little more convenient when I'm rusty on a language or library. Also code completion, same thing of only good for like 3-5 lines at a time.
Still have to watch it like crazy and carefully fix the mistakes and still throw out what it suggested and it can be pretty annoying, but I'm willing to believe it saved me a smidge of time on those. But anything beyond that and it's a horrible mess I would never abide that's more trouble to try to fix than just scrap and start over. It's hard to stay vigilant and micromanage the details as I'm used to reviewing human code and the sorts of mistakes the LLMs make are distinct from what humans make.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 325d
There are a few things it does well, like movie suggestions based on a list of shows you like. And its good at reformatting data you feed it. But It's crap overall. Often takes more time to correct it, than starting from scratch.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
Definitely feel the waste of time trying to salvage junk it generated. At best I might have it take a horrible stab at it and then just look for key bits to Internet search, read documentation, and do it the actual right and maintainable way.
3-5 lines of code or has a decent chance at being usable or needing a minor tweak. More than that and it just sucks.
Also did use it with some messy list to find essentially duplicate things that weren't exactly duplicate. It wasn't 100%, with false negatives and positives, but it let me find a lot of them easily and the situation didn't require me to find every single duplicate.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 326d
“Never trust a computer you can’t throw out a window” - Steve Wozniak
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 326d
It was legit a little scary how long I stared at this diagram in utter bewilderment.
It's 2025 and the tech bros have made it where I can't believe my own lying eyes.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 326d
What the actual fuck. The prongs aren't even oriented correctly. And the 'live' wire is just tied to ground.
So glad we're burning down the rainforests for this.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 326d
I was curious and found we do actually have plugs with those pin orientations.
It's 240v though, which means two live wires on opposing phases shorted together and connected to the appliances ground wire... Even better.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 326d
I plug in my arc-welder.
I exit existence.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 326d
No no no, you just get assigned to the great omni pattern buffer, may O'Brien find and rematerialize you as soon as he is able =P
scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 326d
Instructions unclear, Baron Samedi rematerialized me. Does this mean I gotta go shock myself stupid again until O'Brien does it?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 325d
... Do you know... what year you are in?
scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 325d
2025; sorry, old personal story from 2019. Just a funny NDE I had once. Have a good day!
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 325d
Ah I was trying to keep going with pop culture jokes and was suggesting you may have been Twin Peaks Season 3 zapped into an alternate timeline, where maybe it was back when... was it The Living Daylights?
Whenever it was when whichever Bond movie had Samedi as the big bad came out.
=P
Successful_Try543@feddit.org · 5 pts · 326d
Nah, don't you have a RCD in your home?
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 326d
Not very common in North America.
We're required to have them (called GFCI here) near water; bathrooms, kitchens, that sort of thing, but I haven't seen many installed in panels protecting entire homes/shops or protecting banks of several circuits. I don't think I've ever seen one on larger wattage items like clothes dryers or large shop tools either.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
It's actually required by code in almost every place in homes now for new construction.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 326d
Unless that changed within the last 5ish years; not they aren't. But this is nuance that varies region to region; North America doesn't have one single unified electrical code, though most of it is more or less the same.
I'm in a new (rental) home, built roughly 6years ago; the only places I have GFCI is bathrooms and kitchen. (and I believe the outdoor outlet too, but not certain without checking)
Bedrooms and the living room have AFCI breakers, but that's not for protection against shocks. (and no, they're not dual purpose breakers).
https://www.legrand.us/ideas/blogs/gfci-outlet-requirements
Tldr:
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
CAFI breakers are required for new builds, which replaced the function of GFCI outlets and also adds arc fault protection.
Not all districts are using the latest version of the NEC, so some regions may not require it yet.
The NEC ground fault protection covers basically every outlet and appliance now except living rooms and bedrooms. Garages, kitchens, bathrooms, exterior outlets, AC units, crawl spaces, accessory buildings.....you name it. Pretty much 70% of your home's electrical has to be ground fault protected now in new builds.
All outlets pretty much everywhere require arc fault protection now, including bedrooms, living rooms, and everywhere ground fault is required.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Gemini wired my home.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 40 pts · 326d
For reference / non electrical engineers / visual learners:
https://engineerfix.com/electrical/plugs/how-to-wire-a-us-plug/
NA 2 Prong, Type A
NA 3 Prong, Type B
'Earth' = Ground = the 3rd, round prong
You can maybe see the AI has kinda sorta merged elements from both of these.
The main problem is that uh... notice how in these real diagrams none of the lines are looped into each other, they are 2 or 3 distinct lines that feed into whatever is being plugged in...
... whereas in the AI diagram... it just forms a continuous loop.
Which... basically means that what the AI labels as 'neutral' and 'ground'... aren't.
Doing that would instantly cause a short cicruit and potentially immediately start a or multiple fires, trip circuit breakers, etc, depending on the voltage/amperage avalaible to the outlet this AI 'death-plug' ie connected to, and how long it takes the circuit breaker to trip.
... thats my layman understanding, corrections from any actual EEs would be appreciated if I've mucked something up.
Thunderbird4@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 326d
Just a heads up, those diagrams are also insufficient on their own. They don’t indicate which line goes to the wide blade and which goes to the narrow blade on the plug. Getting that backwards on some devices can cause switching and fusing to be on the wrong line and defeat certain circuit and safety protections.
Much as I encourage people to fix their own things, wiring AC mains connections is one of those “if you have to ask, you probably shouldn’t” kind of things.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 325d
Thank you, those are very good points to add!
I managed to be busy nearly all day, glad other people have upvoted your addendum.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 326d
This won’t kill anybody. It’s not wired to anything but a ground wire.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 18 pts · 326d
Maybe the point is rather "It generates random bullshit diagrams and if you rely on them, things will go wrong". This one might not be lethal, but some other design it produces might.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 326d
100%. I was just talking about this one image not AI in general.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 2 pts · 326d
I asked llms to help me with world building projects and to make some artwork (technical drawings) and boy howdy did they fail...
Jg1@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 326d
This isn't the outlet, it's the plug that goes into the outlet. Presuming you had it would fit into (the plugs are oriented wrong), it would be about as safe as shoving a fork in instead.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
I understand what it is. But any normal GFCI would trip before it could cause any harm to anything. Even a normal breaker would trip before it created a problem, well other than sparks and likely fire. Since this is covered unlike a bare fork it is moderately safer and would not allow current through the body.
It’s irrelevant though as the image is just stupid. If you can’t immediately see that you should never be allowed near anything electrical.
billwashere@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
And there actually is a plug that is oriented like that. It’s a Nema 6-15. And the great thing about it is it’s a 220v 15amp connector. And the plug would also fit in a Nema6-20 which is 20amps. So even more deadly.
czech@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
Neutral is also wired to live. Isn't that a short circuit?
BanMe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
The neutral is hot but it's also grounded, electricity should take the path to the ground instead of doing anything meaningful on the neutral. You could probably measure a bit of current but not 220.
__nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 325d
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
The next diagram it hallucinates may be lethal though.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 325d
That ground wire goes directly to the metal casing of the appliance.
jlow@discuss.tchncs.de · 24 pts · 326d
For people enjoying LLMs being shit at everything, the Vagina Museum has a whole series of them failing at making pictures about pregnancy:
https://masto.ai/@vagina_museum
I think this was the first one:
https://masto.ai/@vagina_museum/115100134755954006
BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 326d
Unrelated question, why is this post a full fucking screenshot of some dude’s phone uncropped?
hibsen@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 326d
Cropping is a lost art that was under appreciated in its time. Oddly, I see it done less even though it’s become substantially easier to do over time, with the tools often built into whatever took the screenshot.
Machinist@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 326d
This is fucking fantastic.
Just as a PSA, black wire to brass screw, white wire to silver screw, bare or green wire to screw on rounded prong. Also, black wire is hot, white is neutral, green is ground.
__nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 325d
In the US*
TheSporkBomber@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 325d
As another PSA, if you reply on comments like this to go about wiring anything electrical, do yourself a favor and call a professional.
Machinist@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 325d
I mean, replacing a plug on a cord is like a basic human thing that most people should be able to do. A one minute video will show you how.
If you can't figure out how to change out a plug, you probably can't adult.
TheSporkBomber@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 322d
Echolynx@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 325d
Adult checking in here. I've never had to replace a plug for anything... can't say I know how to either.
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 325d
If the only thing wrong with your appliance is a damaged cord, which usually happens near where it's plugged into the wall, and it is a three-pronged cord, the information above is sufficient to replace the plug. Note that you will need to be able to identify the three wires and the color they represent, which is usually followed in decent power cords (of course, not all of them are decent).
Absolutely, if you aren't confident in your knowledge and don't have someone who can verify your work, don't do it. It's cheaper to throw away any given appliance than it is to throw away your home via an electrical fire. But basic AC electricity isn't that complicated, even if it's more complicated than basic DC electricity.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 325d
Except when white is hot for odd light switch layouts. (Which should be wrapped in black tape, but you know Shady DYI or I Know a Guy electricians.)
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 326d
I mean what the fuck am I even seeing?
and also, spicy ground.
Yondoza@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 326d
Honestly doesn't look particularly dangerous. I think this nets you a ground neutral connection with two test points?
Would it be useful? Absolutely not. Dangerous? p Probably not.
deepdivedylan@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 325d
I get that it's a bad idea to trust AI to something so important. And that it's probably going to shock or kill you.
But since I'm not an electrician, ELI5. What's wrong with this diagram?
monotremata@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 325d
In addition to what the other person said, there's a wire here connecting the two prongs together. This is a short circuit and would at least blow a breaker and at worst start a fire.
kieron115@startrek.website · 9 pts · 325d
This picture is so frustrating. There's no apparent source for the "live" wire. But if you tried following this with your real wiring (white, black and green do exist), you would be connecting your hot, neutral and ground lines all together. I doubt it would kill you at 120 V but it would definitely trip your breaker the moment you plug it in, and almost certainly make some nice big arcs.
Snazz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 325d
Its ok, the AI predicted this and oriented the prongs incorrectly so there is no chance to accidentally plug it into an outlet.
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social · 6 pts · 325d
The outlet has three wires (black, white, and green), and the device to be plugged in has three wires (black, white, and green). The whole point of the plug is to connect each color wire to its counterpart, and only to its counterpart.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 324d
This diagram is the same as sticking a fork in all 3 holes on an outlet.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 326d
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 39 pts · 326d
This is a plug, not an outlet; and it shorts the live + neutral pins together. There is no ground pin present, though a wire labeled ground is also being shorted to the live+neutral pins. (basing 'pins' on shape/colour and ignoring that at least one is in the wrong position)
If this doesn't immediately trip the breaker when plugged in, it's because you have an open neutral; and now whatever's on the end of that ground wire (typically exposed metal) is live.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 326d
The live and neutral pins are wired together, so there's not really a reason for the power to travel to that ground wire. Unless the path to the ground of the device, and then from there to actual ground, is shorter, then nothing will flow that way. It's absolutely not safe, but a number of other factors would need to be present before it were deadly.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 326d
That's not true. Electricity will take all available paths to return to ground, with current flow relative to the resistance present. In other words, two low resistance paths will share similar amounts of current when both are connected to power.
If you were touching anything connected to that 'ground' wire while also connected to a true ground yourself; you could receive a harmful shock from plugging this in, even with a breaker in-line and successfully tripping. A GFCI device should prevent that shock, but a regular breaker will not trip fast enough.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 326d
True actually. If this were the plug for a washing machine, and you were touching it and the tap for the water inlet, you would definitely get shocked still. Edit: The washing machine itself also wouldn't generally have a connection to ground that way, as they usually use plastic hoses.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
I'm not sure which of you is correct here but it's fascinating how confidently people on the Internet will make statements. I'm sure one of you has earned that confidence but I'll never know which one. Sadly, the other person should question their life choices pretty hard.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 326d
Unless I'm reading this thread incorrectly; I believe Norah was mistaken in the comment I replied to, but came around with my explanation.
The mindset of 'electricity takes the path of least resistance' is really quite common and was actually taught in my highschool; but it's rather misunderstood, if not outright wrong.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 326d
Undearius@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 326d
I wouldn't say connecting the ground wire of an appliance to the hot side of an outlet is very safe.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 326d
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
This question has already been answered many times over in the comments.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 326d
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/21237626
I already have.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 326d
Why are people up voting this? You're talking utter nonsense in multiple ways.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 326d
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 326d
The earth wire typically is connected to the metal casing of the appliance, and the earth pin of the plug. This is a critical safety feature, which will cause the circuit protection to trip in the event of phase touching the metal of an appliance.
Connecting phase directly to the metal is an excellent way to kill someone.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/502326/nelson-electrician-stephen-burton-s-failure-to-carry-out-simple-task-linked-to-death-of-builder-craig-johnston
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 326d
First, both 'neutral' and 'ground' are leaving that plug.
Second, that 'ground' wire is connected to both live and neutral, with no actual ground connection present. The other end of that wire is presumably connected to the exposed metal of the appliance this plug would be powering. Just calling a wire 'ground' doesn't make it ground nor safe; it has to actually be electrically connected to a grounded point.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 326d
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 326d
The ground wire in the diagram is not connected to your house's grounding device. It is connected to the ground of the appliance, which has no such connection to the actual, physical ground.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 326d
There's a terrifying number of confident morons in this thread that have no business touching anything electrical.
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 326d
Just like AI itself. The blind leading the blind. Into electrocution and/or a house fire.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 326d
No, the ground wire is connected to the metal casing of the appliance. It's typically connected to ground via the plug.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/502326/nelson-electrician-stephen-burton-s-failure-to-carry-out-simple-task-linked-to-death-of-builder-craig-johnston
This is how people die.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 326d
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 326d
Because it's a diagram of how to wire a plug, not a power cable.
This is like expecting a diagram of an intersection to also have a road map of the entire area.
Also, as others have pointed out, that's assuming the neutral isn't broken.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 326d
This picture doesn't show how to wire socket, but now to wire a plug. The wire that's labeled ground is actually attached to live connector, although I guess that doesn't matter as live and neutral are shorted by white wire.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · -7 pts · 326d
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 326d
Plug, not outlet. It's even labeled as such
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 326d
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 326d
No, it's not the only wire in the circuit. If that plug is plugged into an outlet, then the hot live wire is coming into the circuit at the pin labelled live, and connecting to the ground wire of the device. That ground wire is usually connected to the metal frame of an appliance. Because of the white wire connecting the live and neutral pins together, it's going to immediately flow back to the breaker box. However, if for whatever reason the path from the ground of the device to actual ground is shorter, then the electricity will flow through the device. It is possible for a person to be in the path to ground. The way this is wired might also circumnavigate an RCD, preventing the safety switch from operating correctly.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 326d
An RCD measures the difference in current flow between the phase and neutral, so it will trip in this scenario. An alternative path to earth is precisely what they're designed to detect.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 326d
Ah yeah, you're right, my mistake. It's wild to me as an Aussie that they aren't universal in the States. Plenty of houses (or outlets?) don't have them IIRC?
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 326d
Labeled as ground that mysteriously vanishes in the machine???
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 326d
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 326d
It should; but it's also important to note breakers are not intended to prevent electric shocks, they are intended to protect the wiring within your walls.
The time in between this being plugged in and the relevant breaker tripping IS enough time to receive a harmful shock from that 'ground' wire. Preventing this is the purpose of GFCI devices.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 326d
Unless you have a broken neutral, in which case someone dies.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 326d
It says plug in the title.
ladicius@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 326d
I was gonna write the same. This is completely dumb but at least it's safe.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
Connecting the earth wire, which goes to the metal casing of the appliance, directly to phase definitely isn't safe.
ladicius@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 326d
And where does phase go to or come from? The picture shows a short of piece of wire labelled "phase" but that doesn't magically make an otherwise unconnected piece of wire anything active. If labelling anything "phase" could produce energy, boy would my energy bill go down fast 😂
I keep to my statement: The pic shows a completely dead "circuit".
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
This is a plug, which you plug into a socket, which is where the leccy comes from.
Of course the circuit is dead, it's not plugged in.
cm0002@piefed.social · 12 pts · 326d
JUST. WHY. There are so so many freely available photos already online that don't need to be generated AGAIN
Successful_Try543@feddit.org · 8 pts · 326d
With deeper integration of AI into search machines, such as Google, the distinction between AI generated and real search results becomes more and more complicated.
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 2 pts · 326d
But those images are hosted by companies other than Google. You might visit those sites instead of staying on a Google-owned domain where they can keep making money off of you.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 326d
If this truly needs to be said, a giant meteor is too good for us. I get that people are stupid as fuck but Jesus, trusting your life to AI at this point is next level idiocy
jollyroger@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 326d
You will trip a breaker or 2. But you won't die. This is an exaggeration. Nevermind it wouldn't even fit a plug? If I ask it to do the same, it creates the following schematic.
https://g.co/gemini/share/0e1d197c002b
Not saying you should use any LLM to create something critical.
absentbird@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 326d
That's a text response, this post is about image generation. Gemini is okay at finding stuff on google to show you, it's basically like a 'Let me Google that for you' machine. The problem is when you ask it to make something new.
Behold, the image response I got using your prompt:
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 326d
You're in trouble if you also have a broken neutral somewhere.
But yes, the most likely outcome is breaker goes pop.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 0 pts · 326d
color-coded screws? wtf
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 326d
For what it's worth, the terminal screws on US outlets and replacement plugs usually actually are color coded. The screws for the hot (black) wire are gold or brass, and the screws for the neutral (white) wire have a silver finish. The ground screws are usually anodized green.
You'll actually find green colored ground screws in tons of devices, not just outlets and plugs.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 1 pts · 326d
wouldn't that add resistance to ground path (avoidably)
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
What resistance? The screw itself is not intended to carry any current. It just keeps the ground ring or whatever it is in contact with the terminal or the chassis of the device in question.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 326d
I showed this to my electrician dad. He had a chuckle.
roguelazer@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 326d
Doesn't this just bond neutral to ground? It's definitely illegal and will kill you if some other device has a short and makes ground hot, but at least it's not a suicide cord
fullsquare@awful.systems · 15 pts · 326d
this shorts live and neutral, ground pin is not even present (different shape) otoh if you need help wiring a plug, you probably shouldn't
kbotc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
There’s no ground pin, but there’s no hot wire.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 326d
This is a plug. The big pins are live + neutral, which are shorted together and connected to the wire labeled ground (which heads to the exposed metal of whatever appliance is on the end of this cable).
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 326d
Yes there is, the earth is connected directly to phase.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 2 pts · 326d
hot wire is in the socket, assuming it was wired correctly
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 326d
Yeah, this circuit would do a whole lot of nothing since the ground is the only wire entering the circuit.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 326d
It would put phase directly on the metal casing of the appliance, if the circuit protection didn't work.
Please avoid the temptation to comment on something you know nothing about, this is actually a serious safety concern if someone followed this diagram.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 2 pts · 326d
Even worse. Orientation of pins like this is used in 240V circuit which means it has two antiphase live wires. This means that after shorting them, if one trips but not the other (if these two have independent breakers - idk if code requires otherwise) 120V is sent to device ground, and this one can be cut off by GFCI if used, but i hear it's uncommon
If it was normal 120V circuit, breaker would cut off live and left neutral connected to device ground, which still can be some 20V depending on conditions
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
Ooh, I hadn't even thought about voltage being backfed through the neutral.
Have you heard of something called a floating neutral? That could cause some issues.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 1 pts · 326d
Yea, but at this point multiple things are seriously wrong
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 326d
It's just a really exciting circuit breaker tester...
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 326d
Ahh, you must be a fellow viewer of ElectroBOOM.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
Gemini says don't use breakers.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 326d
"You will die".
Sounds like AI is bringing back natural selection.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 326d
Is it me, or do people actively celebrate the death of weak people? It is quite unnerving.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
Actively celebrate?
No.
Feel zero sympathy?
Yes.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 325d
Well, that confirmed a suspicion I had.
Here I go listening unironicaly to Peter Thiel I guess.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
I'm sending this to my electrician friends.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
anyone who asks AI for any help at all.
Etterra@discuss.online · 4 pts · 326d
No this one is safe. It's specifically designed to power geomantic devices, not electrical ones.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 326d
No you won't, you won't be able to plug that one in
Jg1@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 326d
Deleted, replied to the wrong comment.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 326d
Instructions unclear, balls are tight and I can feel a 60Hz hum. When do I insert the neutral wire?
socsa@piefed.social · 3 pts · 326d
Bend over and I'll show you
altphoto@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 326d
Why is it on the floor next to the soap I just dropped?
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 326d
Because safety standards in porn are for rubbery devices only. Metal ones are juuust fine, now stop fluffing, our star needs to get back in there!
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 3 pts · 326d
Darwin awards?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 326d
I just realized I have no idea how electeicity works 💀
(Magic particles goes zzzzzzzap)
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
My understanding is not much better. It’s send electrons across wire.
Eranziel@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
It's not even that! The electrons don't even move particularly much. The energy is moved by the E/M field created around the circuit, which is even more wild and mind bending.
JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
taiyang@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
I guess if left unchecked, the AI faithful will ultimately wipe themselves out. Too bad it'll take too long to save the rest of us.
NovaSel@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
You guys are trusting AI?
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 326d
Nope. Actual sentient beings aren't even usually trustworthy so why would I trust a word guesser?
SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 326d
Pardon my ignorance but could someone explain this and how it's supposed to look like?
Jg1@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 326d
White, black, and green coming up the wire. Black to black, white to white, green to ground (not applicable with this type of plug). As wired it would flip the circuit breaker virtually instantly but, if you are really lucky, electrocute you or start a fire with that extra green cord sticking out.
Etterra@discuss.online · 2 pts · 326d
=D
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 326d
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=wiring+a+plug&ia=images&iax=images
you can more or less see the differences there. Outlets (typically) have the colors in the op's picture, plugs are often different. Some of the ideas are expressed in the pic, like the clamps, while others seem to be a weird skewing of outlets and plugs, and some are obviously just bizarre (read, idiotic for a person with any brainpower) like the white-to-black-to-green pathing.
unconsequential@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 326d
Wtf
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 326d
How come he didn't promote chatgtp
kamen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
That's like natural selection in action. Of course I wouldn't want anyone injured, but if you blindly trust something like this, you almost deserve what might happen to you.
Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 326d
what in the ai fuc is this nonsense .. is that real?
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 326d