This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that turns progressive people away from churches. Are progressives 'killing god', or is it actually the churches themselves who are deliberately turning people away?
AFAIK hating on trans people isn't even in the bible, so this is 100% on the current personnel of the churches being even worse than they absolutely have to. Even if you believe that the bible is truly the "word of God", this is just something you made up yourself.
Unfortunately there is some line in Leviticus about it being illegal for a 'man to wear the clothing of a woman, or a woman to wear the tools of a man', and another one about not cutting yourself. But for a god who commands infant genital mutilation, it's certainly hypocritical.
Easy fix: "trans women are women, trans men are men". You could just as easily argue that the man who wears the clothing of a woman is the closeted trans man.
another one about not cutting yourself
The catholic church certainly doesn't care about that when it comes to modern medicine.
Oh, I am certainly supportive of trans people being the gender they say they are. I don't think the people who wrote the Bible thought of it that way though, it was probably their intent that the (flawed) concept of binary biological sex was what they were referring to.
And it's important to acknowledge that and reject the Bible as a source of moral truth, rather than seeking to 'reinterpret' it, to make it 'acceptable' while not having to outright reject it.
While I agree that Christianity is flawed from the get-go and that you're probably right about what the bible authors would think about trans people, I still can't keep myself from pointing out the glaring holes in church doctrine. The people who wrote the bible, especially the old testament, would probably stone someone to death if they explained current Christianity to them.
Arguably, pointing out the raging bigotry of "this isn't explicitly in the bible, I just made it up myself" and "this IS in the bible, but I chose to ignore it" would make people aware of how absurd Christianity is and reconsider their beliefs, but in reality that's probably not at all how belief works.
That's why you should vote for me next papal election. I will make the church about mana gathering and rituals to kill evil politicians. Jesus will be recognised as a true socialist and the billionares will be sacrificed for the good of humanity.
Oh and also we will make the best cookies every christmas and the best ham each easter.
There is the small problem that I'm not a cardinal, or a Catholic, or a Christian but I think if we get enough other people on board we can take the Swiss Guard and then those things become traditionally optional
Thanks for sharing, that article about the pope dropping an f-slur is wild. Imagine reading that and thinking, "Yup that's my guy, that's my spiritual leader."
But god is already dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.
Though 'we' seems to be germans as the quote is by german philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche and even before Nietzsche, the earliest accounts of 'death of god' discussions seem to originate in german lutheran culture of the 17th century.
So since god is dead and transgender rights are some modern stuff, trans rights cannot have caused the death of god.
If god was real and being trans killed him id vagina my penis tomorrow, not out of any real desire to become a woman, but more because of the utter contempt I have for religion.
The news reported that soon they will all be able to bend space time to their will to inhabit all bathrooms, so I imagine killing a fictional god is within reach.
"Hahaha, foolish human, no mortal weapon can harm me- ... wait, what are you doing? Why are you wielding that transgender person as a weapon?? Tf, this isn't fair, I didn't agree to this!!"
(If the "weapon" is a trans furry they make uwu sounds as you swing them around.)
How about we just let god speak for themselves, Umkay. God made parrots already. So as far as I can tell, parroting is blasphemy against God's creation with the hubris to propose a sinful man can do better than the Almighty. If god objects, let them speak, if they care. People that care, call. This whole man in the middle bullshit is ridiculous yellow news hearsay. Acting like cave-god off using Morse code on the telegraph still. If Almighty ain't got an iPhone, the fuck kinda God you got Pandroid?
He can't actually say that and not face internal retribution from the Holy See, right? Not for the trans-phobia, but for the possible blasphemy. I understand that his statement could be taken metaphorical. But it still doesn't place a good light on senior Catholic leadership.
Nah, they want Christians to be scared of a demonic threat, otherwise why would people bother supporting them? If God just stomps with no real threat or challenge, that's not a compelling narrative they can sell to the cult.
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AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 95 pts · 312d
Who would win?
the omnipotent, omniscient Creator of the Universe,
or
A boy who’s actually a girl
msage@programming.dev · 37 pts · 311d
Created by... the same god.
So he can create something to defeat himself? So not omnipotent?
Zacryon@feddit.org · 19 pts · 311d
queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 311d
Can god microwave a burrito so hot that he himself cannot eat it?
msage@programming.dev · 2 pts · 310d
Dunno, but I definitely can.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 310d
lemmylommy@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 312d
It’s their one weak spot.
blave@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 312d
Well, done, trans community! Keep it up!
pootzapie@lemy.lol · 12 pts · 312d
Right?! Thanks again Trans friends!
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org · 51 pts · 312d
razzazzika@lemmy.zip · 37 pts · 311d
I will accept my new title of Godslayer.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 311d
thank you for your service
RandomVideos@programming.dev · 35 pts · 311d
Omnipotent omniscient omnipotent beings are allergic to pink, blue, and white
Everyone knows this
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 35 pts · 311d
This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that turns progressive people away from churches. Are progressives 'killing god', or is it actually the churches themselves who are deliberately turning people away?
AFAIK hating on trans people isn't even in the bible, so this is 100% on the current personnel of the churches being even worse than they absolutely have to. Even if you believe that the bible is truly the "word of God", this is just something you made up yourself.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 311d
Unfortunately there is some line in Leviticus about it being illegal for a 'man to wear the clothing of a woman, or a woman to wear the tools of a man', and another one about not cutting yourself. But for a god who commands infant genital mutilation, it's certainly hypocritical.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 28 pts · 311d
Easy fix: "trans women are women, trans men are men". You could just as easily argue that the man who wears the clothing of a woman is the closeted trans man.
The catholic church certainly doesn't care about that when it comes to modern medicine.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 311d
Oh, I am certainly supportive of trans people being the gender they say they are. I don't think the people who wrote the Bible thought of it that way though, it was probably their intent that the (flawed) concept of binary biological sex was what they were referring to.
And it's important to acknowledge that and reject the Bible as a source of moral truth, rather than seeking to 'reinterpret' it, to make it 'acceptable' while not having to outright reject it.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 7 pts · 311d
While I agree that Christianity is flawed from the get-go and that you're probably right about what the bible authors would think about trans people, I still can't keep myself from pointing out the glaring holes in church doctrine. The people who wrote the bible, especially the old testament, would probably stone someone to death if they explained current Christianity to them.
Arguably, pointing out the raging bigotry of "this isn't explicitly in the bible, I just made it up myself" and "this IS in the bible, but I chose to ignore it" would make people aware of how absurd Christianity is and reconsider their beliefs, but in reality that's probably not at all how belief works.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 310d
This is a great point. It would be easy enough to argue that the verse speaks against closeted folks dressing against their honest inner identity.
But I don't think logic or a sincere attempt to unstand the will of a benevolent higher power were ever involved, sadly.
I feel like if they were really seeking the will of an all loving God, they could have come to that conclusion already. :(
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 6 pts · 311d
So... no femboys. Damn, I have some friends to chastise.
CXORA@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 311d
Id hope the fact that none of it is true also turns people away from churches.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 30 pts · 312d
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 312d
That's why you should vote for me next papal election. I will make the church about mana gathering and rituals to kill evil politicians. Jesus will be recognised as a true socialist and the billionares will be sacrificed for the good of humanity.
Oh and also we will make the best cookies every christmas and the best ham each easter.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 3 pts · 311d
I'm sold, you have my vote in the conclave
There is the small problem that I'm not a cardinal, or a Catholic, or a Christian but I think if we get enough other people on board we can take the Swiss Guard and then those things become traditionally optional
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 311d
We'll have a wizard coup d'etat
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 311d
Freshly smoked ham?
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 311d
Non smoked. Cured then cooked. You can ymoke yours though
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 311d
dammit i need to turn my weber smokey mountain into a cold smorker and then make bacon
barooboodoo@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 311d
Thanks for sharing, that article about the pope dropping an f-slur is wild. Imagine reading that and thinking, "Yup that's my guy, that's my spiritual leader."
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 311d
bigots always make trans people seem as badass as possible meanwhile i'm over here on saturday night with a cat on my lap crocheting.
OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 311d
The enemy must be both strong and weak.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 310d
I took the liberty of updating that for you.
Either way, keep rocking.
CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de · 29 pts · 312d
But god is already dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.
Though 'we' seems to be germans as the quote is by german philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche and even before Nietzsche, the earliest accounts of 'death of god' discussions seem to originate in german lutheran culture of the 17th century.
So since god is dead and transgender rights are some modern stuff, trans rights cannot have caused the death of god.
Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 311d
Transgender scientist Friedrich Nietzsche invented a time machine and went back to 19th century to kill god. And I love it for him.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 311d
Good for her
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 12 pts · 312d
Damn, didn't know that my ancestors were so powerful. Good for them.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 312d
Maybe God is so weak even the mere existence of what is now the modern gender thought is enough to kill him centuries ahead of time.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 311d
If god was real and being trans killed him id vagina my penis tomorrow, not out of any real desire to become a woman, but more because of the utter contempt I have for religion.
Hail Satan.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 6 pts · 311d
Satan is actually quite chill, if South Park is to be believed.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 310d
He also basically did nothing wrong in the Bible, either. All the genocide and murder was done by god alone.
Zacryon@feddit.org · 2 pts · 311d
*Hail Seitan
https://youtu.be/eovuIfeH2k4
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 311d
Well that certainly exists. That's for sure.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 311d
They didn't have to sell trans rights to me as I was already on board, but OK.
Querch@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 312d
Transgender rights have apparently such reality-bending power that they could kill that which was never real.
Pandantic@midwest.social · 11 pts · 311d
The news reported that soon they will all be able to bend space time to their will to inhabit all bathrooms, so I imagine killing a fictional god is within reach.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 311d
I was jealous enough of the double jumping but now. I would consider trans life if I got to personally kill and eat a god.
Red_October@piefed.world · 24 pts · 311d
If trans rights can kill your god, then your god doesn't deserve to survive in the first place.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 311d
The machine god cares not of gender only how many Dreadnaught rated artillery cannons are plugged into your brain stem.
Sarothazrom@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 311d
Mekhane says trans rights
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 311d
Puny god he got there
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 18 pts · 312d
Good. Then kill him.
thoughtfuldragon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 312d
Yay!
stinerman@midwest.social · 4 pts · 311d
Yes. I was already for trans rights but this definitely seals the deal.
the_q@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 312d
Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 312d
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 311d
If God is such a pussy that he can't handle a little snip snip here, or a stich stitch there, then he is no God.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 17 pts · 311d
"Hahaha, foolish human, no mortal weapon can harm me- ... wait, what are you doing? Why are you wielding that transgender person as a weapon?? Tf, this isn't fair, I didn't agree to this!!"
(If the "weapon" is a trans furry they make uwu sounds as you swing them around.)
ValarieLenin@midwest.social · 16 pts · 311d
I'm doing my part o7
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 311d
thank you for your service
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 311d
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 311d
Humans gave us lemons, but the same tool can be used for them too.
Also this gif rustled my jimmies like it was 2010.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 311d
Damn I never killed a god before. Way to go Trans community
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 310d
If God can die He’s not really a god.
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 311d
The almighty God fell to big tiddy trans goth girls.
That’s ok. Happens to the best of us, my dude.
hayvan@feddit.nl · 15 pts · 311d
Congrats on my transgender brethren for killing God.
zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev · 14 pts · 312d
Omg are they all party members in a jrpg?
JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 311d
You can't kill something that doesn't exist. And if there is a god that's all powerful and this is the world we have, then good, kill him
j4k3@piefed.world · 10 pts · 312d
How about we just let god speak for themselves, Umkay. God made parrots already. So as far as I can tell, parroting is blasphemy against God's creation with the hubris to propose a sinful man can do better than the Almighty. If god objects, let them speak, if they care. People that care, call. This whole man in the middle bullshit is ridiculous yellow news hearsay. Acting like cave-god off using Morse code on the telegraph still. If Almighty ain't got an iPhone, the fuck kinda God you got Pandroid?
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 312d
GUYS HE'S ALMOST DEAD
MORE DPS
TheBannedLemming@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 310d
He can't actually say that and not face internal retribution from the Holy See, right? Not for the trans-phobia, but for the possible blasphemy. I understand that his statement could be taken metaphorical. But it still doesn't place a good light on senior Catholic leadership.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 310d
Nah, they want Christians to be scared of a demonic threat, otherwise why would people bother supporting them? If God just stomps with no real threat or challenge, that's not a compelling narrative they can sell to the cult.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 312d
Nietzsche: "Am I a joke to you?"
Taleya@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 310d
Back to the home, grandpa
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 310d
Ironically the only thing killing religion is demonic priests who want to use religion as a platform to hurt innocent people they don't like.
EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 311d
It's not that shocking considering they're full of shit, like all religions.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 311d
Hell yeah >:3
RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 311d
I wish then we wouldn't have to deal with the bullshit
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 2 pts · 308d
The tags above the headline are even funnier.
BroBot9000@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 312d
Good! Your archaic and primitive beliefs are meaningless in modern times and should be extinct.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 310d
Weird thing for dudes in fancy dresses to proclaim.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 310d
Churches reap what the sow
:3