It's not an artist, it's a computer program. More to the point, it's a distance measuring type database whose input was the hard work, sweat and tears from real human beings and whose output is a mix of that but lower quality
There is nothing new, nothing inspiring, nothing renewing, it's just as if they took all historical songs and tusees them in a blender and still filtered out the best bits that were left.
There is no singer that can awe you with her extreme vocal range, there is nothing that can touch you on your heart. This is pure ones and zeroes at work, all directed by some asshole who used some mathematical algorithms to figure out what sounds should be combined to make as much money as possible.
That is the crux of it: real artists work hard and mostly starve whilst giving you something from the heart. Managers and record companies would then make money off that (and keep most of it anyway). Now it's just the money makers and they can tune everything just to be the perfect money printer machine.
Over time, expect much, MUCH more of this and yes, real artists will likely mostly disappear because as always, a small group of people like us will protest this and reject it, but the big masses will just lap it up anyways
Ok I'm gonna sound like a conservative. But holy shit the pronouns. No. The only pronoun AI gets is "it". You don't start calling these things he/her. Nope nope nope.
Careful, the fascists will tell you this is hate speech, if you replace “AI” with “person” it’s the same hateful pattern, and use it as doublespeak proof that the left are the REAL intolerant ones
That's a bit like saying a drawing of a fictional woman is also an it. But it's not, it's a representation of a woman so it's a she.
Just because you don't like ai doesn't mean you get to change how language works. Weaponising language sounds like straight out of the transphobe playbook
Calling the depiction of a woman in the image a she is fine. The image is clearly depicting a woman.
Saying "she earned" in regard to knuckleheads clicking on an AI audio collection is incorrect in two ways: the audio files did not come from a she, and there was no earning involved. An audio LLM is unrelated to a depiction of a woman in an image, and cannot earn anything.
Thanks. You explained the misunderstanding in my comment that the comment you're replying to missed.
I missed this misunderstanding and went off on an unhinged rant I deleted. Should have recognized that they were talking about images and I was referring to the context you referred to.
Calling an AI "she" is giving a different degree of humanity than what we refer to with "her" when talking about the artist portrayal of a woman.
It's like calling the algorithm that generated a picture of a women "she" vs. calling the women IN the image "she".
I missed this misunderstanding and you clarified it perfectly.
Maybe, but I think it's still pretty grey this thread is clouded by people's opinions about AI rather than what's the best way to communicate about something.
" was great last season. She really won people's hearts"
pretending the AI voice, generated from the theft of labor value of countless artist, should be given the pronoun of a living person
I get your point, and it's fair to be upset about AI companies pulling some shit, but that's literally how language works and it's a terribly inefficient and petty way to express your disapproval.
It's also a bit weird to belittle someone so harshly for pointing out the parallels of transphobic language despite the logical argument, and then try to use gendered language to belittle a product by going out of your way to call it an it. Like it or not, that's exactly what transphobes do.
The Mona Lisa is an it even though it depicts a historical person. It's also a she. It hangs in the Louvre and her smile has captivated millions. Gender is a social construct and we can nudge society different directions. We can encourage people to maintain a distinction between real people and imitations.
I think society has long established that we give inanimate objects and constructs gender. Bart Simpson is a he, despite being a cartoon voiced by a woman. He‘s often written by a woman, too, and the animation team will be mixed (although probably leaning male). Yet he remains a he in popular parlance.
Perhaps more akin to this situation, there’s a long tradition of referring to animated singers by the gender they present as. Gem & the Holograms are referred to as female, as are Josie & the Pussycats. Hatsune Miku - possibly the most direct comparison, being the first and most well-known “virtual singer” - is always a “she”. None of these are real people or based on real people.
Yeah referring to it either way is fine. Everyone would understand what you mean, but saying that using she is incorrect isn't right.
Language is about describing things so that people understand and literally nobody will have a hard time when she is used. Which means that it's correct despite your opinions about AI
All genres are infested with AI generated slop. This is not a race thing or whatever he’s claiming. Did he forget that a couple of months ago the ai rock band Velvet Sundown with fake white dudes was all over the news. Or does it only matter to him when it affects black artists?
Not even close to the first Suno-generated "artist" to do well on streaming and this one was generated by a black woman so I'm not sure what it has to do with the industry being racist
Good example of someone who wasn't paying attention to an issue until it affected them
I think it was by rigid adherence to what producers/record companies were demanding. If I ever hear another snap-snap-clap backing, it will be too soon.
Companies are free to pump as much money into slop pipelines, and I am also free to ignore and block their shit wherever I can. In fact, this only gives me an incentive to support live venues and local performers.
It’s not lost on me that they gave her the surname of “Monet” to muddy the waters around Janelle Monet, an R&B artist so deserving that even I know her name
Not really my style but it feels like a bunch of tropes rolled into one. Shame because AI can kind of let you push boundaries but this is musically and lyrically just very tame. Simply boring imo.
There are some reaction videos too which seem even worse. Fact is though, the general population doesn't care how their entertainment is made, as long as it entertains them.
The first AI band that I was aware of was The Velvet Sundown, which made the news for doing well on Spotify before people realised that they weren‘t real. They‘re very MOR AOR type stuff, at least from what I‘ve heard.
Oh thank you. I wasn't familiar with the word being used in that way. I have to assume at least 14 people knew this before you and chose not to bother explaining. Thank you for not being one of them.
That’s the thing, I struggle to call it their music and not the AI’s. I’ve messed with Suno and there’s not really much support for tweaking the output to your tastes. If all you’re doing is feeding a prompt and maybe some lyrics to an AI and picking out the best generation I don’t see any difference from a commission and trying to claim you’re the creator.
Now if there was more support for self-expression like img2img and ControlNet with images in the form of isolated stems/instrumentation that follows a given chord progression/mixing I’d say there’s more of a sense of ownership, but as-is there’s not much you can do after the output is made that someone else couldn’t do with the same prompt+model+seed.
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phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 77 pts · 335d
No
It's not an artist, it's a computer program. More to the point, it's a distance measuring type database whose input was the hard work, sweat and tears from real human beings and whose output is a mix of that but lower quality
There is nothing new, nothing inspiring, nothing renewing, it's just as if they took all historical songs and tusees them in a blender and still filtered out the best bits that were left.
There is no singer that can awe you with her extreme vocal range, there is nothing that can touch you on your heart. This is pure ones and zeroes at work, all directed by some asshole who used some mathematical algorithms to figure out what sounds should be combined to make as much money as possible.
That is the crux of it: real artists work hard and mostly starve whilst giving you something from the heart. Managers and record companies would then make money off that (and keep most of it anyway). Now it's just the money makers and they can tune everything just to be the perfect money printer machine.
Over time, expect much, MUCH more of this and yes, real artists will likely mostly disappear because as always, a small group of people like us will protest this and reject it, but the big masses will just lap it up anyways
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 335d
I disagree that real artists will disappear. Rather I believe that the underground will be more relevant than ever.
the_mighty_kracken@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 335d
And so much deeper underground
Rooty@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 335d
This is why it's important to patron and support artists.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 63 pts · 335d
Ok I'm gonna sound like a conservative. But holy shit the pronouns. No. The only pronoun AI gets is "it". You don't start calling these things he/her. Nope nope nope.
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 335d
their pronouns are Clanker/tin skin
Dogiedog64@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
Wireback or code-blooded.
4am@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 334d
Careful, the fascists will tell you this is hate speech, if you replace “AI” with “person” it’s the same hateful pattern, and use it as doublespeak proof that the left are the REAL intolerant ones
BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world · -28 pts · 335d
That's a bit like saying a drawing of a fictional woman is also an it. But it's not, it's a representation of a woman so it's a she.
Just because you don't like ai doesn't mean you get to change how language works. Weaponising language sounds like straight out of the transphobe playbook
morphballganon@mtgzone.com · 15 pts · 334d
Calling the depiction of a woman in the image a she is fine. The image is clearly depicting a woman.
Saying "she earned" in regard to knuckleheads clicking on an AI audio collection is incorrect in two ways: the audio files did not come from a she, and there was no earning involved. An audio LLM is unrelated to a depiction of a woman in an image, and cannot earn anything.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 333d
Thanks. You explained the misunderstanding in my comment that the comment you're replying to missed.
I missed this misunderstanding and went off on an unhinged rant I deleted. Should have recognized that they were talking about images and I was referring to the context you referred to.
Calling an AI "she" is giving a different degree of humanity than what we refer to with "her" when talking about the artist portrayal of a woman.
It's like calling the algorithm that generated a picture of a women "she" vs. calling the women IN the image "she".
I missed this misunderstanding and you clarified it perfectly.
BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 334d
Maybe, but I think it's still pretty grey this thread is clouded by people's opinions about AI rather than what's the best way to communicate about something.
" was great last season. She really won people's hearts"
wheezy@lemmy.ml · -8 pts · 335d
[Deleted] because I don't want more responses to a misunderstanding. Clarified here.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/21513129
SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one · 9 pts · 335d
Least unhinged .ml user.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 335d
You might be right, but you're still being an arsehole about it.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 333d
Eh, I was wrong because the pronoun being referred to was not the same. The reply to my original comment missed my point and I didn't realize it.
If you think I was right then you probably had the same misunderstanding I did. I responded to clarify that above. My assholeness was definitely true.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
Boy, what a rant.
I get your point, and it's fair to be upset about AI companies pulling some shit, but that's literally how language works and it's a terribly inefficient and petty way to express your disapproval.
It's also a bit weird to belittle someone so harshly for pointing out the parallels of transphobic language despite the logical argument, and then try to use gendered language to belittle a product by going out of your way to call it an it. Like it or not, that's exactly what transphobes do.
BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 335d
I'm not reading that, I was just pointing out some facts of language.
Apparently facts can trigger
m0darn@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 335d
The Mona Lisa is an it even though it depicts a historical person. It's also a she. It hangs in the Louvre and her smile has captivated millions. Gender is a social construct and we can nudge society different directions. We can encourage people to maintain a distinction between real people and imitations.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
I think society has long established that we give inanimate objects and constructs gender. Bart Simpson is a he, despite being a cartoon voiced by a woman. He‘s often written by a woman, too, and the animation team will be mixed (although probably leaning male). Yet he remains a he in popular parlance.
Perhaps more akin to this situation, there’s a long tradition of referring to animated singers by the gender they present as. Gem & the Holograms are referred to as female, as are Josie & the Pussycats. Hatsune Miku - possibly the most direct comparison, being the first and most well-known “virtual singer” - is always a “she”. None of these are real people or based on real people.
BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
The painting is an it but the subject in the painting is a she.
I think you're going to get some funny looks if you called a female cartoon character or something an it. Which is what OP insisted we do
m0darn@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 334d
Computer programs/statistical models are its though.
BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 334d
Yeah referring to it either way is fine. Everyone would understand what you mean, but saying that using she is incorrect isn't right.
Language is about describing things so that people understand and literally nobody will have a hard time when she is used. Which means that it's correct despite your opinions about AI
Breezy@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 335d
The down votes on correct opinions on lemmy is getting worse.
BillBurBaggins@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 335d
Oh I thought we were on Reddit
Breezy@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 335d
Yeah thats my point! Lemmy is slowly feelimh more like reddit.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 336d
All genres are infested with AI generated slop. This is not a race thing or whatever he’s claiming. Did he forget that a couple of months ago the ai rock band Velvet Sundown with fake white dudes was all over the news. Or does it only matter to him when it affects black artists?
andyburke@fedia.io · 35 pts · 336d
Not sure, but you didn't use this moment to frame this as more people joining the fight. Instead it sounds petty. 🤷♂️
AI slop sucks. The more people thar realize that, the better. Humans are fallible, but I will take them realizing there's a problem once they see it.
glimse@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 336d
You posted this while I was typing a reply and it's funny how similar our comments are lol
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 335d
Auth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
Yes they're racist
glimse@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 336d
Not even close to the first Suno-generated "artist" to do well on streaming and this one was generated by a black woman so I'm not sure what it has to do with the industry being racist
Good example of someone who wasn't paying attention to an issue until it affected them
SARGE@startrek.website · 33 pts · 336d
glimse@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 335d
First they came for AI country music, but I did not speak out because I was not a country fan
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 335d
How did they manage AI slop before AI was a thing, i wonder?
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 335d
I think it was by rigid adherence to what producers/record companies were demanding. If I ever hear another snap-snap-clap backing, it will be too soon.
msage@programming.dev · 1 pts · 335d
I did not speak out cause it all sounds the same?
There are many genres that have been mostly the same shit all over again for decades.
glimse@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
Every genre is homogenous if your only exposure to is "the hits"
primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 17 pts · 336d
Slop. Any company that throws slop at us like this should be remembered.
Rooty@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 335d
Companies are free to pump as much money into slop pipelines, and I am also free to ignore and block their shit wherever I can. In fact, this only gives me an incentive to support live venues and local performers.
4am@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 334d
It’s not lost on me that they gave her the surname of “Monet” to muddy the waters around Janelle Monet, an R&B artist so deserving that even I know her name
hummy_bee@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 334d
Doubling down on Victoria Monet too...
vithigar@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 334d
Wtf does "number one most added at a US radio format" mean? It seems completely nonsensical.
Hupf@feddit.org · 2 pts · 334d
It means they try to shove it down our throats hard?
turdcollector69@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
Who's claiming R&B isn't profitable? Is there a famous quote or some context I'm missing?
Fontasia@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 334d
Country isn't ready for this
Grimy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 335d
Here is the song if anyone is interested : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nWRysTT_PF0&t=73s&pp=2AFJkAIB
Not really my style but it feels like a bunch of tropes rolled into one. Shame because AI can kind of let you push boundaries but this is musically and lyrically just very tame. Simply boring imo.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 335d
jfc those have to be bot comments on that video, right?
Grimy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
There are some reaction videos too which seem even worse. Fact is though, the general population doesn't care how their entertainment is made, as long as it entertains them.
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
Dead internet.
derry@midwest.social · 3 pts · 335d
Remember payola in the radio business? Pepperidge farm remembers
SaraTonin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
The first AI band that I was aware of was The Velvet Sundown, which made the news for doing well on Spotify before people realised that they weren‘t real. They‘re very MOR AOR type stuff, at least from what I‘ve heard.
Zagorath@aussie.zone · -10 pts · 336d
I wanna know why the pen someone uses is relevant to their music.
Atropos@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 336d
Lyrics, bro
Zagorath@aussie.zone · -1 pts · 335d
Huh?
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 335d
It's a metaphor, to say that their lyrics are beautiful.
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 335d
Oh thank you. I wasn't familiar with the word being used in that way. I have to assume at least 14 people knew this before you and chose not to bother explaining. Thank you for not being one of them.
frunch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 335d
You've never written a poem with a Bic, clearly
GuerillaGorillas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
That’s the thing, I struggle to call it their music and not the AI’s. I’ve messed with Suno and there’s not really much support for tweaking the output to your tastes. If all you’re doing is feeding a prompt and maybe some lyrics to an AI and picking out the best generation I don’t see any difference from a commission and trying to claim you’re the creator.
Now if there was more support for self-expression like img2img and ControlNet with images in the form of isolated stems/instrumentation that follows a given chord progression/mixing I’d say there’s more of a sense of ownership, but as-is there’s not much you can do after the output is made that someone else couldn’t do with the same prompt+model+seed.
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 334d
Did you reply to the wrong person?