Vladimir Putin is fearful the return of his convict army could destabilise Russian society, sources say
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-10/russia-braces-for-return-of-convict-army-post-ukraine-war/105812936
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ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 134 pts · 322d
Who could have predicted the risks of having an army of murder-rapists with PTSD? /s
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 65 pts · 322d
And military training!
ripcord@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 322d
Such as it is
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 21 pts · 322d
Pre war or post war? Probably both.
rustyfish@lemmy.world · 112 pts · 322d
Klear@quokk.au · 63 pts · 322d
Russia has a ton of practice at becoming an even shittier place.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 322d
It's like their thing.
It's actually kind of mind boggling. Lenin knew this was a thing and took all sorts of steps to correct it, but his mistake was demanding it to improve by force. "We're making your lives better now, or else."
I mean, shit, a big ass group of armed dudes on horses show up in my cold ass disconnected village and they say we need to do x, y, and z to improve our lives or else? Yeah that's sus.
whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 38 pts · 322d
It’s almost like all authoritarian government is actually a bad thing
Looking at you, China, USA
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 322d
Gestures broadly to all recorded history.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml · -12 pts · 322d
Don't you mean every state?
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 322d
Not really. Actual democracies have incentives to make things better for the majority of people. And the easiest way to do that is to break up monopolies (especially in media), tax the rich, and then invest heavily in education.
Coincidentally, the way to kill a democracy is to do the exact opposite.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml · -12 pts · 322d
Show me a state that has done any of this to great sucess? Even democracies don't seem to have much stay past two hundred and fifty years.
A state always ends as authoritarian tool used against the people it persecutes the most. Very snow ball effect like.
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 322d
Uh? Na-ah. You show me working alterternative.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 322d
Yes, states end up authoritarian when the people give up on democracy. You seem to be using this as an argument to encourage people to give up, but that's just self fulfilling prophecy.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 322d
Someone said that Russian history can be condensed into “…and then everything went to shit”
Habahnow@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 322d
I believe the quote is, "and then everything got worse"
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 322d
There is some irony is that the main part of a public sentiment in favor of Putin is that there wouldn't be another 90s era of violence and economical instability as long as he is in power. Well, the economy is somehow stable in how it degrades, but the amount of street violence climbs on. Out of last three times I took a fight in my block, first was in ~2008, last two happened in 2024, both with dead drunk proud boys in vomited over camo clothes, asking me if I served. It's not yet the 90s level of chaos, but I can't imagine having a daughter there. Many, as I've heard, share the same anxiety, but nevertheless can't figure out who created that problem in the first place.
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 322d
thank you for your service
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 322d
Fuck you too.
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 322d
He only got nine years for murdering his wife and was out within three years? How does that happen?
bstix@feddit.dk · 15 pts · 322d
That's the background for the story: Russia sent their convicts to war in trade of a "get out of jail"-card.
The guy was in jail for killing his wife. He took the deal and was sent to war. He got shot, got sent home as a free man, and immediately started killing people again.
It's not a single case. It's likely that convicts are taking the deal, not just to get out of jail, but also so they can go back and get revenge over those that put them in jail in the first place.
Stamau123@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 322d
Who could have forseen this?
massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 20 pts · 322d
Nobody likes to meet the Gaddafis of their actions.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 7 pts · 322d
great reference 😚👌
massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 7 pts · 322d
I'll buy the most expensive alcohol available the day that happens, hopefully recorded in 4K.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 6 pts · 322d
Yeah, it reads like he fears for society but I really think he fears directly for himself just as much 🥂
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 322d
To NATO staging a coup and overthrowing a popular leader because the leader did not obey their OPEC cartel?
jagermo@feddit.org · 16 pts · 322d
Good. He can end all of this with one sentence. However, the consequences will be felt in Russia for a generation to come, that 1.5 million he sent to be killed will be missed.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 9 pts · 322d
Not only in Russia, unfortunately. Irreversible damage has been done to Ukraine, and of the reversible not much will ever be reversed I fear.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · 9 pts · 322d
At least Ukraine can show that some positives have come out of the war for them, too. Their bonds with Europe have strengthened, their national identity has been forged in fire. I'm not saying it wouldn't have been awesome if the war had never happened, or that it was a net benefit, but at least they are coming out of this with some real tangible benefits in addition to the tragic losses.
Russia gets nothing and loses everything.
hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 322d
Ukraine is a strong runner up for hating russia. Poles can almost see them over the horizon behind them.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 322d
Good. I hope he dies slowly.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 322d
Wait, are there any convicts left? The have casualties in the tens of thounds per month, I would have guessed they were the prefered ones...
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 322d
It's been a joke for years now that if Ukrainian kill counts were accurate, they'd have decimated the entire Russian army multiple times by now. Russian media has made similar claims of Ukrainian armed forces.
Both national media are doing the Vietnam Kill Count rhetoric to say they're winning a fully Pyrrich War.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 322d
Jep, except according to their own recruitment claims (which are naturally also off), they either have casualties in the 10s per month, or much more troops in Ukraine than anyone can cofirm.
TomArrr@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 322d
Convicts are already hardened in the art of survival
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 322d
I thought the point was to get them killed as fodder before they could return home.
They maybe get a few Ukrainian kills in, and no longer have to pay to incarcerate a person.
They can't even get that right?
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 322d
Oh no, my army of criminals survived the war I sent them to fight and expects me to allow them to reintegrate into society
antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 322d
Ukraine can help him solving that problem.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 322d
Societal debt brought on by prolonged authoritarianism.
crandlecan@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 322d
Smart man
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 15 pts · 322d
Not the adjective I would choose. He has good reason to be fearful - both personally and for his country, which makes it personal again. That has nothing to do with intelligence, it's a lizard brain thing.
It also isn't like he had a wise premonition here; many convicts already returned and they are already "destabilising society".
48954246@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 322d
Yeah, more like "brief moment of self awareness"
sirico@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 321d
Whole lot of military aged men coming back with experiences of being abandoned, left to die, ordered to die and seeing through the veil.. Enjoy
Eheran@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 322d
Everyone here jumps on the band wagon, but seriously, 500 is nothing. It will do absolutely nothing. He could not care less.
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 322d
The 500 number is the number of victims from returning soldiers as of October 2024, not the total number of incarcerated soldiers in service as your comment implies.
Eheran@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 322d
Yes, but that is nothing. They loose 1000 soldiers every single day. Why should they care about a few (Russian) victims per month extra? Putin does not fear that at all. It is so irrelevant he might not even know about it to begin with. Let alone destabilizing the whole society, that is pure nonsense.
Steve@startrek.website · 7 pts · 322d
I just watched this episode of DS9
DSN9@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 322d
Putler dead within 6 months. You heard it here first.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 322d
I've been hearing that for a lot longer than 6 months.
SulaymanF@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 322d
He was overheard on a mic with president Xi telling him about organ transplants to prolong life.
DSN9@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 322d
He probably just shoots himself in the head. Or Mossad 2.o gets him. Or the ulcer. Or the Botox from his fluffy little cheeks seeps into his brain. Or the windows.. darn Russian windows
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 322d
One Friedman Unit is equal to six months, specifically the "next six months", a period repeatedly declared by New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman to be the most critical of the then-ongoing Iraq War
kat_angstrom@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 322d
I would like to know more
DSN9@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 322d
Broskys about to stroke out from the stress. His own body will kill him if not someone else. When you're responsible for a cumulative 1.5-2.5 million deaths, you're not a person people are sad to let go.
Economy tanking, losing the battle, 1.5 million dead Russians, he's not the mafia-fluencer he was in his youth. Lavrov is a fat slob, dude can't even stop his own drooling.
Modern warfare is entirely non beneficial to huge land masses. Try playing air defense swap-a-roo when the next missile or drone is 1k km away.
Also if Europe decides to ram his ass, they will, that will be his excuse to wind down the war, but to get to that tipping point, is so stress inducing, no amount of drugs will help. The drugs induce a spiral.
kat_angstrom@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 322d
Here's hoping. I'm not so optimistic about Europe really flexing their muscles, but I look forward to being pleasantly surprised!
DSN9@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 322d
Europe's producing more rounds and providing more artillery than Murica. When the Yanks provide some old junk they appraise it at 50X the value then bemoan doing god's work while leaking Intel.
Europe and Ukraine are flexing. They've decimated Russia's military without any European boots on the ground (although they should be in the fight imo, it devalues Ukrainians to let them be the only one taking casualties for defending Europe). Then again, in 20 years, Ukraine will be telling Europe where and how to manage their militaries.
Ukraine was the powerhouse for arms manufacturing during the Soviet Era and they're quickly retaking this position.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 322d
SOURCES SAY!
runiq@feddit.org · 3 pts · 321d
thought and prayer
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 322d
The only thing that he's actually good at is having powerful propaganda machinery that would have left Brezhnev deeply envious of.
Otherwise and outwardly, he looks unfazed at some military setbacks, but he still have legions of Black Hundred fanatics having bought the concept of Russia as the center of the world.
DSN9@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 322d
The cost of war:
10X-15X the battlefield deaths occur after the war is over. When the well cared for soldiers come home in a proper mental state. 10 times! Sustainable?
ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee · 1 pts · 319d
Putin logic:
The more you lie, the more honest you are.
The more you steal, the more trustworthy you are.
The more you lose, the more winning you are.
(Beat that, gay western men who steal Russian women!)
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 322d
A Surplus of Men, A Deficit of Peace: Security and Sex Ratios in Asia's Largest States
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 322d
But Russia didn't have a surplus of men
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 322d
This was written in 2002. Seems like the pretictive power of the theory isn't too strong.