Vladimir Putin is fearful the return of his convict army could destabilise Russian society, sources say

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-10/russia-braces-for-return-of-convict-army-post-ukraine-war/105812936

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ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 134 pts · 322d (3 replies)

Who could have predicted the risks of having an army of murder-rapists with PTSD? /s

SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 65 pts · 322d (1 reply)

And military training!

ripcord@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 322d

Such as it is

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 21 pts · 322d

PTSD

Pre war or post war? Probably both.

rustyfish@lemmy.world · 112 pts · 322d (23 replies)
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Klear@quokk.au · 63 pts · 322d (17 replies)

Russia has a ton of practice at becoming an even shittier place.

peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 322d (14 replies)

It's like their thing.

It's actually kind of mind boggling. Lenin knew this was a thing and took all sorts of steps to correct it, but his mistake was demanding it to improve by force. "We're making your lives better now, or else."

I mean, shit, a big ass group of armed dudes on horses show up in my cold ass disconnected village and they say we need to do x, y, and z to improve our lives or else? Yeah that's sus.

whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 38 pts · 322d (13 replies)

It’s almost like all authoritarian government is actually a bad thing

Looking at you, China, USA

peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 322d

Gestures broadly to all recorded history.

blindbunny@lemmy.ml · -12 pts · 322d (11 replies)

Don't you mean every state?

chaogomu@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 322d (10 replies)

Not really. Actual democracies have incentives to make things better for the majority of people. And the easiest way to do that is to break up monopolies (especially in media), tax the rich, and then invest heavily in education.

Coincidentally, the way to kill a democracy is to do the exact opposite.

blindbunny@lemmy.ml · -12 pts · 322d (9 replies)

Show me a state that has done any of this to great sucess? Even democracies don't seem to have much stay past two hundred and fifty years.

A state always ends as authoritarian tool used against the people it persecutes the most. Very snow ball effect like.

MrFinnbean@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 322d

Uh? Na-ah. You show me working alterternative.

SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 322d

Yes, states end up authoritarian when the people give up on democracy. You seem to be using this as an argument to encourage people to give up, but that's just self fulfilling prophecy.

lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 322d (1 reply)

Someone said that Russian history can be condensed into “…and then everything went to shit”

Habahnow@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 322d

I believe the quote is, "and then everything got worse"

altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 322d (2 replies)

There is some irony is that the main part of a public sentiment in favor of Putin is that there wouldn't be another 90s era of violence and economical instability as long as he is in power. Well, the economy is somehow stable in how it degrades, but the amount of street violence climbs on. Out of last three times I took a fight in my block, first was in ~2008, last two happened in 2024, both with dead drunk proud boys in vomited over camo clothes, asking me if I served. It's not yet the 90s level of chaos, but I can't imagine having a daughter there. Many, as I've heard, share the same anxiety, but nevertheless can't figure out who created that problem in the first place.

MeThisGuy@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 322d (1 reply)

thank you for your service

altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 322d

Fuck you too.

Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 322d (1 reply)

He only got nine years for murdering his wife and was out within three years? How does that happen?

bstix@feddit.dk · 15 pts · 322d

That's the background for the story: Russia sent their convicts to war in trade of a "get out of jail"-card.

The guy was in jail for killing his wife. He took the deal and was sent to war. He got shot, got sent home as a free man, and immediately started killing people again.

It's not a single case. It's likely that convicts are taking the deal, not just to get out of jail, but also so they can go back and get revenge over those that put them in jail in the first place.

Stamau123@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 322d

Who could have forseen this?

massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 20 pts · 322d (4 replies)

Nobody likes to meet the Gaddafis of their actions.

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 7 pts · 322d (3 replies)

great reference 😚👌

massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 7 pts · 322d (1 reply)

I'll buy the most expensive alcohol available the day that happens, hopefully recorded in 4K.

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 6 pts · 322d

Yeah, it reads like he fears for society but I really think he fears directly for himself just as much 🥂

IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 322d

To NATO staging a coup and overthrowing a popular leader because the leader did not obey their OPEC cartel?

jagermo@feddit.org · 16 pts · 322d (3 replies)

Good. He can end all of this with one sentence. However, the consequences will be felt in Russia for a generation to come, that 1.5 million he sent to be killed will be missed.

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 9 pts · 322d (2 replies)

Not only in Russia, unfortunately. Irreversible damage has been done to Ukraine, and of the reversible not much will ever be reversed I fear.

FaceDeer@fedia.io · 9 pts · 322d (1 reply)

At least Ukraine can show that some positives have come out of the war for them, too. Their bonds with Europe have strengthened, their national identity has been forged in fire. I'm not saying it wouldn't have been awesome if the war had never happened, or that it was a net benefit, but at least they are coming out of this with some real tangible benefits in addition to the tragic losses.

Russia gets nothing and loses everything.

hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 322d

identity forged in fire

Ukraine is a strong runner up for hating russia. Poles can almost see them over the horizon behind them.

Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 322d

Good. I hope he dies slowly.

UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 322d (3 replies)

Wait, are there any convicts left? The have casualties in the tens of thounds per month, I would have guessed they were the prefered ones...

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 322d (1 reply)

The have casualties in the tens of thounds per month

It's been a joke for years now that if Ukrainian kill counts were accurate, they'd have decimated the entire Russian army multiple times by now. Russian media has made similar claims of Ukrainian armed forces.

Both national media are doing the Vietnam Kill Count rhetoric to say they're winning a fully Pyrrich War.

UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 322d

Jep, except according to their own recruitment claims (which are naturally also off), they either have casualties in the 10s per month, or much more troops in Ukraine than anyone can cofirm.

TomArrr@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 322d

Convicts are already hardened in the art of survival

NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 322d

I thought the point was to get them killed as fodder before they could return home.

They maybe get a few Ukrainian kills in, and no longer have to pay to incarcerate a person.

They can't even get that right?

AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 322d

Oh no, my army of criminals survived the war I sent them to fight and expects me to allow them to reintegrate into society

antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 322d

Ukraine can help him solving that problem.

blindbunny@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 322d

Societal debt brought on by prolonged authoritarianism.

crandlecan@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 322d (2 replies)

Smart man

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 15 pts · 322d (1 reply)

Smart

Not the adjective I would choose. He has good reason to be fearful - both personally and for his country, which makes it personal again. That has nothing to do with intelligence, it's a lizard brain thing.

It also isn't like he had a wise premonition here; many convicts already returned and they are already "destabilising society".

48954246@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 322d

Yeah, more like "brief moment of self awareness"

sirico@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 321d

Whole lot of military aged men coming back with experiences of being abandoned, left to die, ordered to die and seeing through the veil.. Enjoy

Eheran@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 322d (2 replies)

Everyone here jumps on the band wagon, but seriously, 500 is nothing. It will do absolutely nothing. He could not care less.

HereIAm@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 322d (1 reply)

The 500 number is the number of victims from returning soldiers as of October 2024, not the total number of incarcerated soldiers in service as your comment implies.

Eheran@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 322d

Yes, but that is nothing. They loose 1000 soldiers every single day. Why should they care about a few (Russian) victims per month extra? Putin does not fear that at all. It is so irrelevant he might not even know about it to begin with. Let alone destabilizing the whole society, that is pure nonsense.

Steve@startrek.website · 7 pts · 322d

I just watched this episode of DS9

DSN9@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 322d (8 replies)

Putler dead within 6 months. You heard it here first.

Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 322d

I've been hearing that for a lot longer than 6 months.

SulaymanF@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 322d (1 reply)

He was overheard on a mic with president Xi telling him about organ transplants to prolong life.

DSN9@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 322d

He probably just shoots himself in the head. Or Mossad 2.o gets him. Or the ulcer. Or the Botox from his fluffy little cheeks seeps into his brain. Or the windows.. darn Russian windows

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 322d

One Friedman Unit is equal to six months, specifically the "next six months", a period repeatedly declared by New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman to be the most critical of the then-ongoing Iraq War

kat_angstrom@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 322d (3 replies)

I would like to know more

DSN9@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 322d (2 replies)

Broskys about to stroke out from the stress. His own body will kill him if not someone else. When you're responsible for a cumulative 1.5-2.5 million deaths, you're not a person people are sad to let go.

Economy tanking, losing the battle, 1.5 million dead Russians, he's not the mafia-fluencer he was in his youth. Lavrov is a fat slob, dude can't even stop his own drooling.

Modern warfare is entirely non beneficial to huge land masses. Try playing air defense swap-a-roo when the next missile or drone is 1k km away.

Also if Europe decides to ram his ass, they will, that will be his excuse to wind down the war, but to get to that tipping point, is so stress inducing, no amount of drugs will help. The drugs induce a spiral.

kat_angstrom@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 322d (1 reply)

Here's hoping. I'm not so optimistic about Europe really flexing their muscles, but I look forward to being pleasantly surprised!

DSN9@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 322d

Europe's producing more rounds and providing more artillery than Murica. When the Yanks provide some old junk they appraise it at 50X the value then bemoan doing god's work while leaking Intel.

Europe and Ukraine are flexing. They've decimated Russia's military without any European boots on the ground (although they should be in the fight imo, it devalues Ukrainians to let them be the only one taking casualties for defending Europe). Then again, in 20 years, Ukraine will be telling Europe where and how to manage their militaries.

Ukraine was the powerhouse for arms manufacturing during the Soviet Era and they're quickly retaking this position.

IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 322d

SOURCES SAY!

runiq@feddit.org · 3 pts · 321d

thought and prayer

lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 322d

The only thing that he's actually good at is having powerful propaganda machinery that would have left Brezhnev deeply envious of.

Otherwise and outwardly, he looks unfazed at some military setbacks, but he still have legions of Black Hundred fanatics having bought the concept of Russia as the center of the world.

DSN9@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 322d

The cost of war:

10X-15X the battlefield deaths occur after the war is over. When the well cared for soldiers come home in a proper mental state. 10 times! Sustainable?

ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee · 1 pts · 319d

Putin logic:
The more you lie, the more honest you are.
The more you steal, the more trustworthy you are.
The more you lose, the more winning you are.
(Beat that, gay western men who steal Russian women!)

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 322d (2 replies)
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 322d

But Russia didn't have a surplus of men

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 322d

Hudson and Den Boer trace the rise in offspring sex selection in China and India that has resulted in a "surplus" of young men. They argue that such surpluses of men increase the potential for internal and external violence, while diminishing the prospects for democracy. This phenomenon could destabilize the two countries, the region, and beyond.

This was written in 2002. Seems like the pretictive power of the theory isn't too strong.