Birth rates are falling, because raising kids is darn expensive.
Make it easier for people to raise kids (take the money from billionaires, provide daycare, increase pay so one person can afford providing for the family) and people will be more eager to have kids.
I would push back even further and say that the nuclear family (as well as the Prussian school system) is unnatural and even harmful to child development. Raising a child in a village with lots of extended family and friends of all ages promotes much more varied socialization, with a mixture of peers to relate to and older role models to learn from.
Both daycares and schools suffer from the problem of socializing kids into seeing adults as authority figures to be placated and manipulated, rather than leaders to learn from and aspire towards. This also feeds into a cycle of seemingly-unending adolescence, to the point where we now have 30+year olds talking about “adulting” as something they still aim to achieve.
Nah I think you've gone too far off the wrong end. People talking about 'adulting' is a joke, it just references being uncomfortable with not having someone with more 'authority' to fall back on, and it's something that is cited in various ways over the millenia in various media.
I don't think what you're proposing is wrong in terms of 'would it be beneficial' but I don't think it wholly misses the idea of 'is it feasible' and not just in monetary terms. As it stands, today, if I had to raise my kids in a 'village' in this state, I'd sooner enroll them in Scientilogy For Kids in hopes the joint brainwashing cancels itself out.
Oh what I’m proposing has no foreseeable path to fruition. I’m talking about what we’ve lost on the road to industrialization. We’ve gained a lot as well but endless words have been written about that! Far less has been said about the downsides of industrialization and the movement towards car dependent suburbs.
It also needs to be said that all of what we’ve lost may not be equally irretrievable. Some things could potentially be brought back, especially as our culture continues to evolve. For example, I see the current crises with social media and the loneliness epidemic to be temporary issues (but also symptomatic of our loss of village life and in-person social connection).
And because a great career, fancy title, expensive cars and many Instagram pics of exotic locations will get you a lot of status and respect, while having a few kids gets you at best some sympathy.
It also doesn't help how you used to have tightly knit communities where everybody helped with children and kids were often free roaming. Now kids can't go out without supervision, everywhere there are heavy vehicles at high speed and law enforcement gets involved "for the good of the child".
A big part is also the mental stability needed for people to want to have kids. It's not just becauae of less money, it's the increase in anxiety, depression etc. because of waves hands at everything.
That's because in poorer countries kids are extra hands to work, but in industrialized countries it became really hard to have kids even for people that want them, because they live from paycheck to paycheck.
Don't forget easier access to contraceptives, sex ed, and other forms of entertainment beyond sex. Netflix and chill is a lot more likely to turn into "No, wait, this show is actually really good" than "I've got a bucket of chicken. Wanna do it?" is to turn into "No, wait, this chicken is actually really good, let's not have sex."
Less accidental pregnancy, especially among teenagers, is a huge deal when it comes to the birth rate slowing down. As is people wanting a smaller family size and waiting to have a kid until they're ready.
Ya know I get that this is probably a joke and honestly a kinda funny one given that it's Matt Walsh of all people saying it, but I do wonder if there is something else going on in his head given his proclivities towards crossdressing for example. Mind you I can barely be introspective enough towards myself let alone other people but still.
In the current economic circumstances, that's a feature.
No pregnancy, no economic and social burden for 20+ years and on, all because some jackass people in the eighties said "there's no such thing as a society", so other jackasses can soon become trillionaires.
it's fairly popular in Ukraine actually but when you have the governments of two countries united in joint effort to screw things up as much as possible for as long as possible - that shit ain't solving the demographic crisis.
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takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 154 pts · 307d
Birth rates are falling, because raising kids is darn expensive.
Make it easier for people to raise kids (take the money from billionaires, provide daycare, increase pay so one person can afford providing for the family) and people will be more eager to have kids.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 58 pts · 307d
I would take that further and say have one parent have enough money from one job so either parent can stay home.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 35 pts · 307d
That's what I meant when say that one person can afford to provide for family. But I guess the way you said is clearer.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 19 pts · 307d
Yeah I'll go ahead and blame my eyes (need to get my fucking reading glasses) for missing a whole word there.
Either way - yeah, sexual attraction has fuck all to do with the birthrate.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 307d
I would push back even further and say that the nuclear family (as well as the Prussian school system) is unnatural and even harmful to child development. Raising a child in a village with lots of extended family and friends of all ages promotes much more varied socialization, with a mixture of peers to relate to and older role models to learn from.
Both daycares and schools suffer from the problem of socializing kids into seeing adults as authority figures to be placated and manipulated, rather than leaders to learn from and aspire towards. This also feeds into a cycle of seemingly-unending adolescence, to the point where we now have 30+year olds talking about “adulting” as something they still aim to achieve.
OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 307d
Nah I think you've gone too far off the wrong end. People talking about 'adulting' is a joke, it just references being uncomfortable with not having someone with more 'authority' to fall back on, and it's something that is cited in various ways over the millenia in various media.
I don't think what you're proposing is wrong in terms of 'would it be beneficial' but I don't think it wholly misses the idea of 'is it feasible' and not just in monetary terms. As it stands, today, if I had to raise my kids in a 'village' in this state, I'd sooner enroll them in Scientilogy For Kids in hopes the joint brainwashing cancels itself out.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 307d
Oh what I’m proposing has no foreseeable path to fruition. I’m talking about what we’ve lost on the road to industrialization. We’ve gained a lot as well but endless words have been written about that! Far less has been said about the downsides of industrialization and the movement towards car dependent suburbs.
It also needs to be said that all of what we’ve lost may not be equally irretrievable. Some things could potentially be brought back, especially as our culture continues to evolve. For example, I see the current crises with social media and the loneliness epidemic to be temporary issues (but also symptomatic of our loss of village life and in-person social connection).
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 26 pts · 307d
And because a great career, fancy title, expensive cars and many Instagram pics of exotic locations will get you a lot of status and respect, while having a few kids gets you at best some sympathy.
It also doesn't help how you used to have tightly knit communities where everybody helped with children and kids were often free roaming. Now kids can't go out without supervision, everywhere there are heavy vehicles at high speed and law enforcement gets involved "for the good of the child".
VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu · 21 pts · 307d
I don't think I will. Let's make some ridiculously wealthy people even wealthier instead.
lechatron@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 307d
Won't someone please think of the shareholders...
Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 307d
https://youtube.com/watch?v=7xQvdqbF0Zs&t=65s
My shareholder value!!!
M137@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 307d
A big part is also the mental stability needed for people to want to have kids. It's not just becauae of less money, it's the increase in anxiety, depression etc. because of waves hands at everything.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 307d
Birth rates are inversely proportional to the quality of life in a country. There are higher birth rates in poorer countries.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 306d
That's because in poorer countries kids are extra hands to work, but in industrialized countries it became really hard to have kids even for people that want them, because they live from paycheck to paycheck.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 306d
Don't forget easier access to contraceptives, sex ed, and other forms of entertainment beyond sex. Netflix and chill is a lot more likely to turn into "No, wait, this show is actually really good" than "I've got a bucket of chicken. Wanna do it?" is to turn into "No, wait, this chicken is actually really good, let's not have sex."
Less accidental pregnancy, especially among teenagers, is a huge deal when it comes to the birth rate slowing down. As is people wanting a smaller family size and waiting to have a kid until they're ready.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 110 pts · 307d
Twink gets railed by his transsexual goth girlfriend, gets himself boypreggers. Has to go to the boynecologist and get a BOYBORTION! Many such cases!
Dragonstaff@leminal.space · 32 pts · 307d
Boybortions are of the devil. Real men carry their mpregnancy to term.
Souroak@lemmy.sdf.org · 21 pts · 307d
Bregnancy
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 307d
What happens when they don't Brexit in time
scutiger@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 306d
Berganant?
Quexotic@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 305d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J381vIfiTCE
Drusas@fedia.io · 39 pts · 307d
Somehow I don't think that birth rates are low because boys don't want to have sex.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org · 21 pts · 307d
Somehow i don't think we need to "fix" that on this overpopulated shithole
BussyCat@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 307d
You would be surprised. Overall risk taking behavior has been dropping with the younger generations, including things like drinking, drugs, and sex.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 302d
If you simply describe sex as risk-taking, I feel like the context you stripped away has made the statement mostly devoid of meaning.
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 307d
Not that they don't want to but pretty sure everybody is having less of it these days.
MonkeyTown@midwest.social · 28 pts · 307d
Is this chucklefuck implying that there aren’t enough horny men out there to keep birth rates high?
Pretty sure that’s not the problem..
pipe01@programming.dev · 25 pts · 307d
It won't stop me from trying though
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 307d
In words of the broken clock which still shows correct time twice a day that is Matt Walsh.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 307d
Ya know I get that this is probably a joke and honestly a kinda funny one given that it's Matt Walsh of all people saying it, but I do wonder if there is something else going on in his head given his proclivities towards crossdressing for example. Mind you I can barely be introspective enough towards myself let alone other people but still.
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 20 pts · 307d
Doesn't mean you shouldn't try
underscores@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 307d
Bob@feddit.org · 15 pts · 307d
If thigh highs increased birth rates, Japan wouldn‘t have a declining population.
Septimaeus@infosec.pub · 15 pts · 307d
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 307d
Nothing is 100%. With enough effort anything is possible.
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 306d
Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 306d
The gubbermint doesn't want you to know this, but men can also get pregnant. You just need to keep trying.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 9 pts · 306d
Just because I can't get pregnant doesn't mean you should stop trying. :3
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 307d
In the current economic circumstances, that's a feature.
No pregnancy, no economic and social burden for 20+ years and on, all because some jackass people in the eighties said "there's no such thing as a society", so other jackasses can soon become trillionaires.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 307d
it's fairly popular in Ukraine actually but when you have the governments of two countries united in joint effort to screw things up as much as possible for as long as possible - that shit ain't solving the demographic crisis.