This isn't funny and I'll tell you why. Have you ever been close to tragedy? Or been close to folks who have?
Have you ever felt a pain so powerful, so heavy you collapse? No? Well, I've never had to knock on wood, but I know someone who has. Which makes me wonder if I could. It makes me wonder if I've never had to knock on wood, and I'm glad I haven't yet.
Because I'm sure it isn't good. That's the impression that I get.
That's understandable, it's got a rougher and less polished sound that gives more classic ska punk vibes. Personally I think some songs are better on the Streetlight version (Walking Away in particular) but the Catch version has plenty to offer on its own.
Yeh I think it is that rougher sound that appeals to me.
Thanks for posting the comment though as I hadn't listened to that album in fucking years but straight away after replying slapped on the Catch version and had a great time!
I was just looking for Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution last week, and was very confused when I found Streetlight with the same songs, but way faster than I remembered. I knew Bandits was the guys from Catch 22, but I never knew of Streetlight Manifesto, or don't remember being aware.
Tomas would tell you if he ever talked. I once spoke with one of the bands they toured with. He said that in 6 months he'd heard him say maybe 6 words. Dude shows up to sound check then vanishes into the city until curtains.
Streetlight albums never release on schedule, so I'm sure we'll be waiting a while yet lol. But one thing's for sure, whenever it does come out it's going to be fucking magical. Streetlight never disappoints when they do eventually deliver.
Ska generally means 3rd wave, and Ive no idea how those first two waves really releate to 3rd wave, but yea punk and reggae are like very different siblings of the same family.
But yea black and white checkered vans, skanking, all that stuff. Its just punk rock with a horn section. And yea, some is more pop/mainstream than other, but its the same with punk or any genre thats been around for more than 15 minutes.
Reggae is a spinoff of the original ska, which itself is a very Caribbean style coming from Calypso and jumpblues. Look for Desmond Dekker or Toots & the Maytals for some typical examples.
Today's ska is closer to punk rock with a sprinkle of horns.
What you are calling ska punk, old heads used to tell me thats 3rd wave ska. The reggae spin off, they claimed, was 1st and 2nd wave. I dont know for sure, and Iv seen contradicting things online since. I never really got it.
Obviously I'm more into Madness since I'm a complexity and speed addict, but it's still a great source to place my example, and as a part of the history of the genre.
Id love to know what songs youre thinking of when you sat Madness embodies speed and complexity, because i love madness but id never use either of those words to describe them. Maaaayyybe complexity if youre judging by the times and on a sliding scale, but speed i dont get at all.
"I'm more into madness" = I prefer madness over Toots & The Maytals because they are more complex and faster.
Yeah, they're not Archspire, but they're fast enough for more mainstream music.
Also, it's fairly sophisitcated, they have dimished scale and some kind of arabian sounding mode in the song I linked, and the tempo is in the high 100s. (turns out it's 150+ but fucking whatever , feels fast, and changes)
I cant follow the links you posted because youtube is down according to invidious. I didnt mean anything by it though, i was genuinely just curious because i do have quite a few madness songs saved but none of them are especially fast or complex by modern standards so i was wondering if i was missing out on something in their catalogue or if you just meant in comparison to other similar genre artists that came before them.
Obviously Mike Lerner of Behold the Arctopus, hence having Skullgrid as my name. I wrote a LONG ASS post about my favourite shred guitarists that have excellent phrasing , where it's not just a zillion notes a second, but they still do play a zillion notes a second here :
There’s a local ska band just like this. I consider it more like reggae. I prefer the punk energy and fast jangly chords of third wave, but this is still enjoyable.
Yeah, to me it's just different rhythm for a different mood.
I also found out that the Hawaiian ban Pepper just released an album of iconic punk rock songs (offspring, bad religion, etc )in a more Reggae style, creating some kind of ska-like awesome music.
... What kind of ska are we talking about? Because I've learned that Americans seem to have a very different idea of ska.
Because the actual ska is the kind of music you'd do classy dance to... But what you guys call ska is something I'd expect to hear from a drunken crowd in a pub.
We call a few different styles ska. Original ska is closer to reggae, then there's second wave, which picked up the tempo, and then there's 3rd wave or punk ska, which the other responder is referencing. That's pop punk with upstrokes and horns, and fedoras, like this.
It was a huge musical fad in the late 90's, early 00's, along with Swing, which was a similar modern hybrid style.
I honestly enjoy all forms of ska, from the old to the new, it all depends on my mood. Want to relax? Pop in some old ska or reggae. Want to party? Blast something new and ridiculous.
In Europe we have laws against that sort of shite. Having met one of the people doing the controlling, I gotta say it's kinda nice to know there are true believers fighting to keep our food good.
Haven't listened to that since radio wazee was a thing. I know they had other streams but I probably listened to their Punk stream more than anything else. I miss a lot of the old traditional streaming radio websites. Used to be my favorite way of discovering new music. Winamp's library window had a built-in stream list, probably populated by anyone running their Shoutcast server, that made "stations" easy to find). I think Digitally Imported and SomaFM are probably two of longest running web radio stations that are still going. So many others have disappeared over the years.
Third Wave is skankalicious. I have a comp called Skankaholics Unanimous, it's gotta ve my all-time fave album of Ska. Seriously get a copy from Discogs.com if you can. Buford O'Sullivan "I Gotta Do It Someday" is the closing song, man do I love it.
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FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 96 pts · 318d
This isn't funny and I'll tell you why. Have you ever been close to tragedy? Or been close to folks who have? Have you ever felt a pain so powerful, so heavy you collapse? No? Well, I've never had to knock on wood, but I know someone who has. Which makes me wonder if I could. It makes me wonder if I've never had to knock on wood, and I'm glad I haven't yet. Because I'm sure it isn't good. That's the impression that I get.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 318d
I see you like gambling on upvotes or downvotes. From me, you get an upvote!
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 318d
You know, I think we'll be good friends. I say, let's have ourselves a beer.
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 318d
I said, Don't you drink that bear tonight. She said, but I can't work in fast food all my life.
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 317d
And because of that, she has a girlfriend now.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 317d
Seriously? Come on, Eileen!
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 317d
She does? I heard she's a hater, a manipulator and a psycho life invader. A real beast from Hell, man.
brap@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 318d
Bravo sir.
blazeknave@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 318d
Should have read before posting same song. Great minds wired alike
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 317d
Yes agreed. Don't Speak, I say. I know just what you're saying, so please stop explaining.
ech@lemmy.ca · 42 pts · 318d
Pickituppickituppickituppickituuuuupp!
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 35 pts · 318d
Where's my fellow Streetlight Manifesto fans at? That's the good shit right there. Beautifully written songs played by incredibly talented musicians.
And yes, technically they're not ska and Tomas Kalnoky will tell you as such, but they might as well be. Especially in the earlier albums.
Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 318d
Not sure. It's hard to spot them. I just get dizzy when I think of all the ways they're trying to hide their maladies.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 318d
There was a major line-up here a few weeks ago: Planet Smashers, Streetlight Manifesto and The Interrupters.
Crazy good show. If only for memories
theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 317d
Love a bit of Streetlight but the release of Keasby Nights as Catch 22 was better IMO
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 317d
That's understandable, it's got a rougher and less polished sound that gives more classic ska punk vibes. Personally I think some songs are better on the Streetlight version (Walking Away in particular) but the Catch version has plenty to offer on its own.
axx@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 317d
Much love to all your Streetlight comments.
theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 317d
Yeh I think it is that rougher sound that appeals to me.
Thanks for posting the comment though as I hadn't listened to that album in fucking years but straight away after replying slapped on the Catch version and had a great time!
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 317d
I was just looking for Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution last week, and was very confused when I found Streetlight with the same songs, but way faster than I remembered. I knew Bandits was the guys from Catch 22, but I never knew of Streetlight Manifesto, or don't remember being aware.
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 318d
Tomas would tell you if he ever talked. I once spoke with one of the bands they toured with. He said that in 6 months he'd heard him say maybe 6 words. Dude shows up to sound check then vanishes into the city until curtains.
VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 317d
There's a new album coming out this fall, three tracks were already released.
And honestly even if it gets delayed, what's another 6 months at this point
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 316d
Streetlight albums never release on schedule, so I'm sure we'll be waiting a while yet lol. But one thing's for sure, whenever it does come out it's going to be fucking magical. Streetlight never disappoints when they do eventually deliver.
owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 318d
As a ska enthusiast myself, I wish I could say this isn't absolutely true.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 317d
I mean, who doesn't like mozzarella sticks and marinara tho? Nobody.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 317d
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 317d
Pick it up. Pick it up. Pick it up!
BanMe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 316d
I am in the meme
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 316d
There are ska bands in the meme, so you're in good company.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 318d
Ska generally means 3rd wave, and Ive no idea how those first two waves really releate to 3rd wave, but yea punk and reggae are like very different siblings of the same family.
But yea black and white checkered vans, skanking, all that stuff. Its just punk rock with a horn section. And yea, some is more pop/mainstream than other, but its the same with punk or any genre thats been around for more than 15 minutes.
Dont get me wrond, the joke is still accurate.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 318d
Aren't you describing ska-punk? I thought ska was a spinoff of reggae. (It sure sounds like reggae to my ignorant ears.)
i_love_FFT@jlai.lu · 13 pts · 318d
Reggae is a spinoff of the original ska, which itself is a very Caribbean style coming from Calypso and jumpblues. Look for Desmond Dekker or Toots & the Maytals for some typical examples.
Today's ska is closer to punk rock with a sprinkle of horns.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 317d
Hence the name punk ska.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 317d
What you are calling ska punk, old heads used to tell me thats 3rd wave ska. The reggae spin off, they claimed, was 1st and 2nd wave. I dont know for sure, and Iv seen contradicting things online since. I never really got it.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 317d
Reggae comes from Ska as I recall. The Wailer’s early work is Ska.
TexasDrunk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
Yeah, and that's slightly different than dubstep-ska. That's where you drop the beat then pick it up, pick it up, pick it up.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 317d
Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 317d
The relate via Two-Tone
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 317d
You don't see how? It takes the horns and basic upstroke pattern and speeds it up like tenfold.
This song is a bit more 2nd wave.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 318d
The fact that people only know third wave ska makes me sad. There’s so much more to it.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 318d
https://youtu.be/lLLL1KxpYMA?t=12
I don't know which wave Madness is, I know it's before pop ska, and it fucking rocks.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 318d
If you wanna get really old ska check out Toots & The Maytals. They did a ton of songs like “54-46 was my number” that turned into ska standards
sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 318d
If you want to go back even further I recommend
The Skatalites
And
Prince Buster who is the grandaddy of the genre
He wrote that song that Madness covers.
And don't get me started on rock steady.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 318d
oh yeah, that song is familiar. Not sure why you didn't link to it :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtGPpYJOFH4
Obviously I'm more into Madness since I'm a complexity and speed addict, but it's still a great source to place my example, and as a part of the history of the genre.
emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 318d
Id love to know what songs youre thinking of when you sat Madness embodies speed and complexity, because i love madness but id never use either of those words to describe them. Maaaayyybe complexity if youre judging by the times and on a sliding scale, but speed i dont get at all.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 318d
"I'm more into madness" = I prefer madness over Toots & The Maytals because they are more complex and faster.
Yeah, they're not Archspire, but they're fast enough for more mainstream music.
Also, it's fairly sophisitcated, they have dimished scale and some kind of arabian sounding mode in the song I linked, and the tempo is in the high 100s. (turns out it's 150+ but fucking whatever , feels fast, and changes)
emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 318d
I cant follow the links you posted because youtube is down according to invidious. I didnt mean anything by it though, i was genuinely just curious because i do have quite a few madness songs saved but none of them are especially fast or complex by modern standards so i was wondering if i was missing out on something in their catalogue or if you just meant in comparison to other similar genre artists that came before them.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 318d
Does “complexity and speed” mean shred guitarists?
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
No it means things faster than uptempo and non major minor tonality and non even rhythm.
Just so happens that shred has all those, and I make excuses for things like bach
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 318d
So who’s your fav? I was a big fan of Satriani and Tony McAlpine 35 years ago.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 318d
Obviously Mike Lerner of Behold the Arctopus, hence having Skullgrid as my name. I wrote a LONG ASS post about my favourite shred guitarists that have excellent phrasing , where it's not just a zillion notes a second, but they still do play a zillion notes a second here :
https://lemmy.world/post/32373621/18016464
I will post again in a few days with my favourite "fast as fuck" shredders that have no concept of phrasing for you.
TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 318d
Second, the wave in Britain (madness, specials, selector, bad manners, etc.)
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 316d
Stop your running around.
Pulptastic@midwest.social · 3 pts · 318d
Don’t gatekeep, spread the more! Be the change you want to see.
i_love_FFT@jlai.lu · 5 pts · 318d
Pressure Drop by Toots & the Maytals
Poor me by Desmond Dekker
They're generally slower than 3rd wave, got a much more chill vibe.
Pulptastic@midwest.social · 1 pts · 317d
There’s a local ska band just like this. I consider it more like reggae. I prefer the punk energy and fast jangly chords of third wave, but this is still enjoyable.
i_love_FFT@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 317d
Yeah, to me it's just different rhythm for a different mood.
I also found out that the Hawaiian ban Pepper just released an album of iconic punk rock songs (offspring, bad religion, etc )in a more Reggae style, creating some kind of ska-like awesome music.
Sergio@piefed.social · 4 pts · 317d
!ska@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Croquette@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 318d
I grew up with third wave ska, but can't really get into second and first wave.
I like the speed of thirdwave ska that doesn't seem to be there from previous waves.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 317d
Eh, 1st and 2nd wave ska is cool to chill with, I also like some reggae as well. Both are more background music than the main event though.
3rd wave is great for getting pumped, and I actually like ska punk more as in The Interrupters or Rancid.
Today@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
I don't know where English Beat falls in that, but there's definitely some good skanking at their shows.
Balinares@pawb.social · -2 pts · 318d
Ska peaked with Skibidi tbh.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 317d
... What kind of ska are we talking about? Because I've learned that Americans seem to have a very different idea of ska.
Because the actual ska is the kind of music you'd do classy dance to... But what you guys call ska is something I'd expect to hear from a drunken crowd in a pub.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 317d
We call a few different styles ska. Original ska is closer to reggae, then there's second wave, which picked up the tempo, and then there's 3rd wave or punk ska, which the other responder is referencing. That's pop punk with upstrokes and horns, and fedoras, like this.
It was a huge musical fad in the late 90's, early 00's, along with Swing, which was a similar modern hybrid style.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 317d
I honestly enjoy all forms of ska, from the old to the new, it all depends on my mood. Want to relax? Pop in some old ska or reggae. Want to party? Blast something new and ridiculous.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 317d
Yes, me too. I grew up on punk, and was a big ska kid, but I love pretty much any of it.
Beardsley@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 317d
HERE I AM, DOING EVERYTHING I CAN...
wieson@feddit.org · 10 pts · 317d
I also want to tear the system down when I see what capitalism in the US did to mozzarella
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 317d
In Europe we have laws against that sort of shite. Having met one of the people doing the controlling, I gotta say it's kinda nice to know there are true believers fighting to keep our food good.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 318d
The best Ska song is still “Ska Sucks” by Propagandi.
__hetz@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 318d
Haven't listened to that since radio wazee was a thing. I know they had other streams but I probably listened to their Punk stream more than anything else. I miss a lot of the old traditional streaming radio websites. Used to be my favorite way of discovering new music. Winamp's library window had a built-in stream list, probably populated by anyone running their Shoutcast server, that made "stations" easy to find). I think Digitally Imported and SomaFM are probably two of longest running web radio stations that are still going. So many others have disappeared over the years.
Rose_Thorne@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 318d
This also explains the hypeman constantly hopping around.
Channeling that cheesey excitement.
Sergio@piefed.social · 7 pts · 317d
People need to spend more time on !ska@lemmy.blahaj.zone ... third- and second- wave ska is ok, but there's nothing quite like first-wave...
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 317d
No reason to stop at first wave. Keep going further back to mento!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr3FjfiFQdA&list=RDQMpu7ij0zC8kU&start_radio=1
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 317d
Will do. Thanks much.
LOLseas@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 317d
Third Wave is skankalicious. I have a comp called Skankaholics Unanimous, it's gotta ve my all-time fave album of Ska. Seriously get a copy from Discogs.com if you can. Buford O'Sullivan "I Gotta Do It Someday" is the closing song, man do I love it.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 317d
Ska has waves now?
BangCrash@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 317d
The hair styles
LOLseas@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 317d
https://www.masterclass.com/articles/ska-music-guide
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 317d
i play horns so like, hooking up with a ska band sounds kinda fun. i gotta get more educated on it though. thanks!
LOLseas@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 317d
Played a Cornet back in high school, that turned me onto ska real quick.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 317d
First time I heard ska must've been playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2. Goldfinger - Superman.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 317d
I remember asking a friend what genre The Impression That I Get was.
LOLseas@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 317d
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 had Suicide Machines - "New Girl" and man is it still good.
Diddlydee@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 318d
Source: YouTube https://share.google/pxv9JkCf1p4DfEEYT
lemmyknow@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 318d
Bet my money on a stupid horse, I lost that
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 318d
This is ska?
blazeknave@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 318d
First notes of Ever knock on wood song, all I can picture.. kids wildin out.. sound right
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 317d
I love that this turned into a broader discussion of ska. How about some Ghost Town? https://youtu.be/LrZAtp157KI