Also Alan Turing if he were alive today: "We now have access to billions of times more computing power than I did, and the world uses it for what!?"
Edit: A major flaw with Turing's premise is that the test is not time-bound. At first blush, a conversation with an LLM is kind of miraculous compared to what we had before. But ample exposure to any LLM reveals its lack of intelligence; it just takes time.
This here is a USB charger. It uses a CPU to figure out if you connected a Samsung Phone for 50W charging, or if it should do the default 2.5W charging profile.
It's processing power? Uhhh, about 4Million clocks/sec with 640,000 bytes of memory. Oh yeah I guess about 5-million bits.
Oh this other thing? That's a mouse. It tells the computer if my hand moved forward or backwards or left or right. It runs a fourier transform over an infrared image and memorizes the desk. It performs a full image process / fourier transform 100 times a second to accurately track our hands and clicks. The USB connection is also a network of networks consisting of a ReedSolomon error correction code for reliable transmission at a bit over 10-million baud transfer rate.
Our real computers are doing... Porn. AI generated porn.
Fun fact: USB Chargers have more processing power and RAM than fucking the Lunar Lander / Apollo Space Program. Figuring out if Samsung phone or not-samsung Phone has so much processing power allocated to the task it's kind of hilarious
Idk. The people I know who use LLMs the most are also the people who use human pronouns on them and think they're conscious. It's like the people who use them a medium amount who aren't fooled, and I think it's because the people who get really really into it are just all in mo matter what and just ignore any issues and the people who had a few conversations and were amazed don't get a lot of utility out of it.
Yeah, an LLM that's good enough at imitating human speech and writing can pass the test easily even though it's just a program stringing words together. Nothing remotely approaching actual thought.
I once shacked up with a bloke whose entire back was covered in scars. He'd been taken in by police and whipped because he was gay. Once even the memory of that ever having happened is gone I'll accept that LGBTQ+ people are generally accepted.
Turing devised the Turing test as a way of ever confirming whether or not an AI is "alive": if it can fool humans into thinking it's another human and not a machine, then it passes.
The recent advances in llms show quite clearly that it turns out you can fool humans into thinking you're also a human quite easily, thus he would probably revise his test.
Today's "artificial intelligence" has no real intelligence. No more than your phone's autocorrect. At best, it is simulated intelligence. We should call it "fake intelligence."
I guess it all depends on context. If somebody did a Turing Test about 10 years ago with GPT-5 level LLMs I guess it would have fooled practically everybody. Today everybody knows what modern LLMs are capable of so we would als different questions. For example "Let's play tic tac toe" 🤣
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pooberbee@lemmy.ml · 66 pts · 317d
I bet if you asked Alan Turing about Al, he'd say he prefers to be called Alan
kambusha@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 317d
I can call you Beatrice
And Beatrice, when you call me, you can call me Alan
tetris11@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 316d
🕺 🎹
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 317d
The right answer
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 317d
Also Alan Turing if he were alive today: "We now have access to billions of times more computing power than I did, and the world uses it for what!?"
Edit: A major flaw with Turing's premise is that the test is not time-bound. At first blush, a conversation with an LLM is kind of miraculous compared to what we had before. But ample exposure to any LLM reveals its lack of intelligence; it just takes time.
dragontamer@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 317d
This here is a USB charger. It uses a CPU to figure out if you connected a Samsung Phone for 50W charging, or if it should do the default 2.5W charging profile.
It's processing power? Uhhh, about 4Million clocks/sec with 640,000 bytes of memory. Oh yeah I guess about 5-million bits.
Oh this other thing? That's a mouse. It tells the computer if my hand moved forward or backwards or left or right. It runs a fourier transform over an infrared image and memorizes the desk. It performs a full image process / fourier transform 100 times a second to accurately track our hands and clicks. The USB connection is also a network of networks consisting of a ReedSolomon error correction code for reliable transmission at a bit over 10-million baud transfer rate.
Our real computers are doing... Porn. AI generated porn.
Fun fact: USB Chargers have more processing power and RAM than fucking the Lunar Lander / Apollo Space Program. Figuring out if Samsung phone or not-samsung Phone has so much processing power allocated to the task it's kind of hilarious
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 316d
And yet, we still can't tell it's from its.
markovs_gun@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 317d
Idk. The people I know who use LLMs the most are also the people who use human pronouns on them and think they're conscious. It's like the people who use them a medium amount who aren't fooled, and I think it's because the people who get really really into it are just all in mo matter what and just ignore any issues and the people who had a few conversations and were amazed don't get a lot of utility out of it.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 317d
Tracking each other. Is Tim Berners Lee even happy about the situation?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 317d
Yeah, an LLM that's good enough at imitating human speech and writing can pass the test easily even though it's just a program stringing words together. Nothing remotely approaching actual thought.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 19 pts · 317d
I think he'd have been mostly pissed that acceptance of non-religious sexual morality was less than 15 years from when he died.
MBech@feddit.dk · 23 pts · 317d
Doubt he'd be pissed about that. He'd probably be fairly happy about the progress.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 7 pts · 317d
Pissed if he came back as a ghost.
If he hadn't died, then yeah he'd likely be exstatic.
Dojan@pawb.social · 13 pts · 317d
Acceptance is a strong word.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 317d
"Less killing?"
Dojan@pawb.social · 8 pts · 317d
I once shacked up with a bloke whose entire back was covered in scars. He'd been taken in by police and whipped because he was gay. Once even the memory of that ever having happened is gone I'll accept that LGBTQ+ people are generally accepted.
marcos@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 317d
What do you even mean with "aren't real"?
themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 317d
Turing devised the Turing test as a way of ever confirming whether or not an AI is "alive": if it can fool humans into thinking it's another human and not a machine, then it passes.
The recent advances in llms show quite clearly that it turns out you can fool humans into thinking you're also a human quite easily, thus he would probably revise his test.
The_Decryptor@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 317d
People fell for ELIZA, turns out humans are the ones that fail the turing test.
KingOfSleep@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 317d
Today's "artificial intelligence" has no real intelligence. No more than your phone's autocorrect. At best, it is simulated intelligence. We should call it "fake intelligence."
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 317d
Pseudo Intelligent Sapience Simulacra, or PISS for short
marcos@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 317d
They are still real, though.
Unless Leon is right, what again, makes way more sense than what I see around.
tomenzgg@midwest.social · 6 pts · 317d
The meme doesn't say they aren't real; it says they aren't real AI.
marcos@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 317d
Lol. I must have read it a dozen times, and I missed that part every single one.
Dojan@pawb.social · 11 pts · 317d
LLMs don’t exist. They were just a fever dream.
marcos@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 317d
Oh, that makes more sense than how I see people reacting to them!
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 317d
I know this because an LLM told me.
wischi@programming.dev · 10 pts · 317d
I guess it all depends on context. If somebody did a Turing Test about 10 years ago with GPT-5 level LLMs I guess it would have fooled practically everybody. Today everybody knows what modern LLMs are capable of so we would als different questions. For example "Let's play tic tac toe" 🤣
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 317d
That's the problem with the Turing test. It's testing the humans, not the AI.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 8 pts · 317d
Given that the framing of the Turing test was as a man pretending to be a woman, one wonders whether Turing’s pronouns today would still be he/him.
django@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 317d
Is there Alan Turing fan fiction, where he time travels towards better days?
Evotech@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 315d
If you can easily trip up AIs by asking certain questions. Do they really pass the Turing test?