Yup. The Rohirrim see this Elf standing there bitching at this maybe-Gondorian, maybe the King of the West, maybe just another weird Ranger, and the two of them are obviously arguing in a foreign language like the Rohirrim don't matter (which is how Men see Elves - stuck-up and isolationist, ignorant of the plight of Men), and then the Ranger says something that cuts straight to their own philosophy.
Good point actually. It's been a while since I've watched these films and I remember this scene being emotional but I don't think I thought about it too hard beyond that. But you're right, he probably purposely says that in a language they'll understand, to be on their level and an honest leader.
It is not an argument, it is a joke comment, it is not trying to persuade anyone of anything. It is a lighthearted joke.
Making a comment about someone's writing style isn't ad-hominem, also the original comment didn't make an argument at all, it just said that your opinion is wrong, which is a joke as an opinion literally can't be factually incorrect by definition. Here is a pretty good resource for learning about ad-hominem in practice.
That being said, you also fell into the very common fallacy fallacy.
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MBech@feddit.dk · 72 pts · 307d
Wasn't that the whole point of the scene?
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 61 pts · 307d
Yup. The Rohirrim see this Elf standing there bitching at this maybe-Gondorian, maybe the King of the West, maybe just another weird Ranger, and the two of them are obviously arguing in a foreign language like the Rohirrim don't matter (which is how Men see Elves - stuck-up and isolationist, ignorant of the plight of Men), and then the Ranger says something that cuts straight to their own philosophy.
Secret_Music@crazypeople.online · 24 pts · 307d
Good point actually. It's been a while since I've watched these films and I remember this scene being emotional but I don't think I thought about it too hard beyond that. But you're right, he probably purposely says that in a language they'll understand, to be on their level and an honest leader.
notsure@fedia.io · -40 pts · 307d
....yeah, but it's still bad writing...
RedSeries@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 307d
...<insert wrong opinion here>...
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 307d
Seriously, nearly every single one of this guy’s comments are bookended with ellipses
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 306d
He is switching it up from xXxxXx maybe? 😂
Hupf@feddit.org · 2 pts · 306d
✨🌟💫 <using escape characters correctly> 💫🌟✨ would be another option.
notsure@fedia.io · -5 pts · 306d
...ad hominem takes your argument down...
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 306d
It is not an argument, it is a joke comment, it is not trying to persuade anyone of anything. It is a lighthearted joke.
Making a comment about someone's writing style isn't ad-hominem, also the original comment didn't make an argument at all, it just said that your opinion is wrong, which is a joke as an opinion literally can't be factually incorrect by definition. Here is a pretty good resource for learning about ad-hominem in practice.
That being said, you also fell into the very common fallacy fallacy.
notsure@fedia.io · 0 pts · 305d
...it'e jusd a joke, man...
notsure@fedia.io · -2 pts · 305d
....ad hominem...
notsure@fedia.io · -7 pts · 306d
...ad hominem is not vaild...
notsure@fedia.io · -7 pts · 306d
...ad hominem, eh?..
Glitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 307d
Why do you say that? I disagree
notsure@fedia.io · -15 pts · 307d
...opinions are like assholes, everyone hase one and they all stink...
CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 306d
Some people know how to describe why they feel a certain way about something. Some people use a bidet.
radiouser@crazypeople.online · 22 pts · 307d
It's what we hear too!
Lumisal@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 307d
Finnish people hear Finnish gibberish instead actually
crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 6 pts · 307d
I heard Mortal Kombat began as an old Nordic religious folk tune.
you, know, a Finnish Hymm.
faintwhenfree@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 307d
Stolen joke, bad timing. But it's funny.
saltnotsugar@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 307d
We’re gonna die!?
“I thought these guys were gonna help us?”
Oh what are they gonna do? Skateboard down the steps and shoot a bunch of bad guys?
Zorque@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 307d
I didn't see no wheels on that shield, it was clearly snowboarding.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 12 pts · 307d
It's called shieldsurfing noobs
Zorque@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 307d
I can't wait to bomb some dodongos!
sundray@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 307d
Well excuuuuuse me, princess!
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 306d
Damn, did i miss Duck Tales?!?
yakko@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 307d
They already knew they were going to die. Not dying that night was the twist ending.
morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com · 15 pts · 307d
Farmers. Stableboys. These are no soldiers.
Secret_Music@crazypeople.online · 5 pts · 307d
Yeah I was honestly struggling to find the right word for this title lol. Soldiers definitely doesn't feel right.
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 307d
Rohirrim, perhaps?
Secret_Music@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 306d
Between this and "people", which I also like, this got more upvotes. So I'm gonna go ahead and edit the title with your suggestion.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 307d
Conscripts.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 307d
People.
morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com · 6 pts · 307d
Maybe "men of Rohan" would be more precise in this instance
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 307d
Even more epic, honestly