Republicans Claim They Have a Healthcare Plan. But They Won't Tell You What's in It
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republicans-healthcare-plan-1235458309/
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republicans-healthcare-plan-1235458309/
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dhork@lemmy.world · 114 pts · 300d
They get health care, we don't. That's the plan. It's always been the plan.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 299d
Repeal and go f🇺🇸ck yourself —GOP
collar@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 300d
They haven’t had a health plan in more than a decade. Trump has claimed since he came down the escalator he’d be releasing his health plan in “two weeks.” The plan is repeal Obamacare. That’s the only plan.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 299d
The Republican healthcare plan was Obamacare. That's what it was once it was clear something had going to change. The Dems let the Republicans basically gut and change whatever they wanted. The insurance industry wrote the damned thing.
That's why there's no other plan, and they never repeal it, we already have their plan.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 299d
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 3 pts · 298d
Man, why isn't there a version of this meme with Musk's face and "Five Years"
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 299d
Do you remember what the Trump administration promised to deliver two weeks ago?
That's why it works.
Zugyuk@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d
Wait, was it the Epstein files?
collar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
The thing is, they’re not making any promises anymore. They don’t have to. They don’t answer to anyone right now: not voters, not courts, not Congress. It’s blame Dems for the shutdown, while Trump builds a ballroom at the White House and gets gifted a crown by foreign leaders.
devolution@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 300d
Yep they do. The lower the income, the more billionaire deductible you will pay while not receiving care.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 300d
The plan is to let people die in the streets if they can't afford them grotesquely inflated prices of the healthcare system.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 299d
That's part of it, they want that because then people will be so afraid of unemployment, they're take shit wages for unsafe work.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d
Ironically that's the opposite of what the healthcare industry wants. It costs a lot of money to die with health insurance. Lots for both you and the insurance company.
They push preventative healthcare options all over the place and provide hundreds of dollars of incentives each year to people to do the bare minimum because it's cheaper to prevent issues from the beginning than to treat big ones when it's ignored.
They want to pay as little as possible, but also get as much as possible out of individuals and company benefits, there's a balance they have to maintain. Single payer would actually make them more money probably, if it weren't subject to the same government spending cuts Republicans always want to do as well.
Also, dead people often can't pay their bills. The average estate often isn't large enough for medical bills to recoup everything.
The Republicans making these decisions however, aren't just doing what the insurance companies want though, they're grifting from everyone so it all results into a balanced evil end where no industry gets what they really want, but the consumer always gets fucked.
Beetschnapps@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 299d
Been saying this for over a decade, all through Obama’s 8 years after he passed a republican health plan they had no republican plan to replace it.
Repeal and replace is a lie you have heard for almost a decade, why believe it now?
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 299d
They've been trying to tell us they have this secret plan since the ACA passed in 2010. Fifteen years of swearing up and down that it's some great plan that will help everyone, maybe including poor people if they think it'll help convince anyone but definitely including insurance companies and pharmaceutical giants.
The problem is, the ACA was already their idea. The 2006 Massachusetts law that he proposed and signed into law as governor was an early version of Obamacare, including the Individual Mandate and a penalty for businesses that didn't provide insurance to their employees. It was a stopgap measure to overhaul the system so that patients wouldn't use the ER for health care and run up huge unpaid bills when they could just pay for the care from the correct provider; but unintentionally, it also got 98% of Massachusetts residents insured.
But by the time Romney started campaigning for president in 2012, the GOP had already started moving dramatically to the right, to the point where this lukewarm, milquetoast excuse for a solution was seen as radical. And since the GOP can't risk doing something that will reduce their voters' hardship (because paradoxically then they might stop voting for them), they are terrified of coming up with anything that might actually help.
Hugin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 299d
And the Romney plan was based on the Republican counter offer when Bill Clinton was trying to get universal health care passed. Clinton rejected it as not good enough.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 298d
And Hillary's plan was a convoluted, compromised, unworkable mess. She took universal healthcare off the table as soon as she started.
So we got nothing from that half-assed effort, which was exactly what the predatory for-profit health-demial industry wanted. Fuck Republicans and fuck centrists.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d
And he was right. Still, I wonder how things would've been different had Clinton accepted the counteroffer and tried to iterate on it afterwards. The 2004-and-beyond GOP playbook has been to keep the Republican base spiked with anxiety and fear, blame Democrats for it, and use that cortisol to bring out the vote; but if the fear and anxiety about health care had been toned down and reduced their overall fear, maybe maga would've had more trouble gaining traction.
Or maybe it would've been successfully repealed in 2016. Who knows.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 1 pts · 298d
Nah, we still would have had 9/11, which is unrelated to healthcare and was the catalyst for making the endless fear mongering being ramped up to overdrive.
Get everyone primed up on hating "Middle Easterners" genericly, normalize more.and more surveilence and errosion of rigbts in the name of protecrion, start strapping in other groups to hate as people lose interest.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 298d
Probably. I mean, I'm super interested in alternate history as a storytelling concept, but I recognize that it's probably not a super helpful thing to get caught up in unless you're actively looking for fiction. The Butterfly Effect is just too strong to be certain about anything.
Would 9/11 have actually happened? Or is there someone who died in 1999 due to lack of healthcare access who might've been able to stop it, had the ACA come a decade earlier? If 9/11 is a "canon event" a la Spider-verse, would having a few years where the political "heat" was a bit lower first have helped us maintain that solidarity that was so brief in our actual version of history? Would history have proceeded more or less as it did in reality, but with Republicans abandoning their attempts to kill health care in the late-00s because by that point it was too established and "from the before times?" Would they have replaced those legislative attacks with something worse? (Almost certainly yes)
I'm intrigued by the possibilities. To some extent because we can learn for the future by thinking about the past; but mostly just in a "huh, that's interesting" way.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 1 pts · 296d
On the hypothetical side, I think its more likely Clinton's ACA would have pushed Gore to a decisive win, and Gore would have done something about the intel Bush was ignoring.
Or if you want a conspiracy angle, 9/11 was an inside job that never happens under Gore.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Interesting. That's potentially a really valid point. And then, does the Gore presidency mean that there's no Obama presidency (since he campaigned on a much more moderate platform as reaction to Bush) and thus no Trump presidency?
Hmmm.
Heikki2@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 298d
Trump literally got elected claiming to have concepts of a plan. No doubt the rubes believe them
ameancow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
Heikki2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 298d
Everytime I read there is a plan but it's a secret makes me think of this:
blave@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 300d
Because they are lying
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 299d
Finally, those Concepts of a Plan have been realized!
snooggums@piefed.world · 8 pts · 299d
[X] Doubt
tonytins@pawb.social · 22 pts · 300d
They had none in 2017 and don't have any now.
pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 299d
Spoiler alert… they don’t
boaratio@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 299d
Just like the last time Trump was in office. "Repeal and replace" "With what?" "After we repeal, we'll tell you"
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social · 8 pts · 299d
Concepts of a plan
Republicans have nothing beyond the argumentative skills of 5 year olds trying to avoid eating their vegetables
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 298d
No build. Only destroy.
ericatty@infosec.pub · 20 pts · 299d
They'll release it in two weeks.
Or at least, that's what they started promising in 2016.
Pulptastic@midwest.social · 17 pts · 299d
just_another_person@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 299d
Fantastic
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 299d
Oooh oooh, I've seen this one!
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 299d
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 299d
The plan is "just die."
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 299d
No, the plan is that you pay for insurance your whole life, and then just die owing large amounts of money so they can take everything you ever had away from your kids.
elbiter@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 298d
They do have a plan: pay or die.
AlreadyDefederated@midwest.social · 3 pts · 298d
So many things under capitalism are like that. Food, shelter, water, healthcare. Probably more.
It's pretty horrible that so many life or death services are locked behind a paywall.
frustrated@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 298d
Their plan is the same as it ever was. Rich people can afford the best care. Everyone else can die. This plan is not super marketable so that is why they wont make this more transparent.
Empricorn@feddit.nl · 13 pts · 299d
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 299d
Concept of a plan.
just_another_person@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 299d
For almost 20 years now
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 298d
The GOP health plan:
boaratio@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
Hah, that made me snort. Cd-i.
pachrist@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 298d
Not having a Healthcare plan is their plan.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 298d
"You wouldn't know my health care plan. It lives in Canada."
Except even the Canadian system is better.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 3 pts · 298d
But Canadian conservatives have been whittling away at it for decades.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 299d
Their plan is to take it away so that you become forever indebted to shareholders the moment you get sick. They want to milk you for every red cent they can squeeze out of your miserable existence.
foggy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 300d
Hint: not you
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 299d
Everyone the plan is quite obvious! Embrace nurgle! Once we all follow American leadership to recieve his blessing and reach peak body like the plague father we will know true happiness.
riskable@programming.dev · 8 pts · 299d
Their plan: The poor should just die already.
MrSmiley@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 299d
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 298d
Ooohhh I know this one!
This must be the same as that one they had like 7 years ago that would be ready in two weeks and would be the best healthcare plan ever?
And then crickets?
Just in case if anyone is still in doubt: there is no healthcare plan. Not beyond "get sick and become a slave or die"
just_another_person@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 298d
Almost 20 years ago at this point even.
ctkatz@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 299d
their plan is what alan grayson said it was nearly 16 years ago:
the republican healthcare plan is DON'T GET SICK. and if you do get sick DIE QUICKLY.
Nyxias@fedia.io · 8 pts · 299d
HubertManne@piefed.social · 7 pts · 298d
Is it the same as what they had in 2018?
plz1@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 299d
Still coming, in two weeks, for sure. /s
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 298d
Don't be eager. They'll tell you in about two weeks.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 298d
Die.
That's it. That's the plan.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 299d
It’s. A. Concept.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 298d
Remember when Republicans complained about the ACA for years, then got control and brought a healthcare plan to the table that was so bad John McCain famously voted it down? Then, instead of reworking it and trying again, they just gave the fuck up? Kind of like how they did with infrastructure before Biden stepped in and got that done immediately?
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 298d
They never have told us what it is and they never will tell us what it is because their healthcare plan is for you to die in the street like the trash they see you as.
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 299d
Step one, you pay us
Step two, we shoot you in the crotch and call you a stupid poor
vegeta@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 299d
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 298d
Because their plan is take away your healthcare plans and make you pay three times as much to get even less! And then, when it's time to need your plan, they are going to let them just drop you instead and/or delay any possible care until you die and they keep all the money you give them. Suckers!!!!
al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com · 4 pts · 299d
Shut up trump totally is going to announce Epstein Affordable Care any minute now!
adarza@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 299d
shredding what we do have now is still 'a plan'
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 299d
Is it death by neglect?
ramsgrl909@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 298d
I'm rewatching Veep and sometimes I really don't think it's a satire
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 299d
This is the same plan that Trump has been talking about for ten years, then.
ieatpwns@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 299d
It’s in the binder
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
I think its pretty clear by now that repuglicans lie more than your average politician
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 297d
The plan is to lay it out there that they're going to shut down healthcare plans and wait for money to roll in from all the insurance companies to stay in business. In exchange for the money, they'll be allowed to operate anyway they see fit.
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 299d
Archive link: https://archive.ph/9vZk7
santa@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 299d
It’s to wreck America for health of GQP.