This is an op-ed piece, and NYT op-eds have always been godawful. I don't know why we care about it now, or why we're only just now using it to criticize the NYTs journalism (which has more than enough to criticize all on it's own) but that's where this has come from.
Edit: Not entirely relevant to the first point, but I just went and gave it a listen and... The above piece is fucking embarassing. Really. That they've had to change the title three times would seem to indicate they agree. It's the moderator (an absolute dickhead) and some conservative weirdo refusing to answer a very reasonable and simple question with just utter nonsense. Hopefully the justified backlash to this continues, and they eventually clue in and just take it down. Fucking joke.
You're a hero listening to that I'd end up chucking my phone across the room. It's funny NYT always seemed to have a good reputation shame it's not deserved
Their journalistic reputation is quite deserved - despite many valid criticisms, they do still do incredibly good and important journalism. Their opinion pieces ride the coattails of that work to make them seem like they have any value. I honestly do not think I have ever seen a NYT opinion piece that's not just absolute garbage.
The idea was to provide a counterpoint to the liberal 'bias' inherent to reporting all news - but that idea has long since stopped being reasonable, and it really needs to be just given up on.
imo a lot of their reporting is the best of the mainstream. lemmy users absolutely shit on the paper and they generally make valid points, but there's a fair bit of "burn them at the stake" carry on. their op-eds tend to be "diverse", meaning they have total pieces of shit spouting nonsense week by week.
They're centrist to a fault and have a tendency to agree with the "official narrative" until it becomes unpopular. They're so afraid of being seen as partisan any side can sway them by accusing them of being on the other side enough
Change your thinking immediately. Every single major news outlet in the US is pushing a corporation's agenda. I promise. Theyre all owned by billionaires.
Even publicly funded news in the US helped usher in our current state of fascism by softballing it constantly to Americas lowest common denominator.
However segments and whole shows on those channels are also often influenced heavily from outside donors. Unfortunately they still take corporate sponsorship.
Listening to the shit NPR will spout about the current Palestinian genocide makes me fucking livid. And I used to be a sponsor.
Which one of them opposed a single military action by the US as it was occurring?
You don't get a platform if you're not the type to hear "America just invaded/bombed " and the first thing to come to mind is "Were any American soldiers hurt".
Ngl in my (previous, now) headcannon, you're like a cyberhippie lady that lives on a farm with a bunch of butterfly lawn ornaments, host your own email server, and carry a shotgun with a big sun hat and a smile. Don't ask me how my brain got there, I couldn't tell you even if I tried.
So I'm the morbidly curious type and started to read this trash...
Let’s pick one flavor of wokeness, and that is the #MeToo movement.
You hear that language of personal choice, not only on the left with regard to abortion, but for conservatives in opposition to things like SNAP benefits for unmarried women: Well, you chose to have this baby while you were poor
I do, but I'm a nerd about looking into biases/funding/fact checking/etc. There's as much good stuff as shit and nothing should ever be taken as the god's honest, but there are people who try real damn hard to get the facts and I respect them for it.
I made a whole com just to post from independent media sources I like.
I don't respect people that don't respect journalism. Like where do you get information from? You just "doing your own research on the internet?" Or just believing any attractive person the algorithms shove in front of you?
Nope. I was already getting very cynical about journalists (specifically cynical about "free" in "free press") when SARS-NCoV2 hit. The subsequent reportage convinced me that journalism was basically dead.
Yeah, but they do seem pretty inappropriate for most work places. I get not wanting them all over every office.
Like, imagine your boss is trying to explain something to you while she uses one, or the new co-worker you kinda think is cute is using one while they ask you for help with a 'how is this done here' type thing.
Sadly looking upon for on the content of the… podcast apparently? It’s more like expecting equal pay and thinking sexual harassment should be prosecuted, not a novel new toy that women are using to pleasure themselves. :(
Could be the same, also looks like part of a series on the subject. Either way, I found the content as confusing and stupid as the headlines, and I feel slightly more radicalized.
Men shouldn't be allowed to work outside the home. They are aggressive, territorial, and utterly unsuited for any job that requires interacting with other human beings. They should be kept at home taking care of children. At least when raising their own offspring, their chimp brains produce some incentive to take care of their own progeny. But interacting with random people? Men are just far too emotional and irrational to be placed in any position of trust and confidence. And don't even get me started on the foolish individualism. Work is about working together as a team, but men only care about personal fame and glory. For them it's all about beating their chests and dicks. When I need to hire someone to get work done, I want someone that will be a productive member of the team, not someone that is more concerned about swinging his dick around and peacocking about what a stud he is.
Men simply have no role in any workplace. They're the illogical sex and best kept at home. What few men who are employed outside the home should be kept in roles where they are outnumbered by women at least ten to one. If too many men gather in one space, their aggressive instincts take over and they start randomly fist fighting and throwing their own feces at one another.
We need to purge workplaces of the masculine vices that have infected them. Work isn't about personal vainglorious pride. It's about actually getting shit done. And men just aren't up for this. Men should largely work from home, kept locked away from large groups of others so they don't get in random fights. They're just to aggressive to be let out in public alone.
And the idea of a male leader? Utterly laughable. You want a man to be president? You want a man to hold the nuclear button? Elect a man to office and he'll launch a nuke towards Moscow just to try and show he has a bigger dick than Putin.
If too many men gather in one space, their aggressive instincts take over and they start randomly fist fighting and throwing their own feces at one another.
If only! In my experience they start getting cocky and throwing it at everyone outside their particular clique.
Well this one is an interview hosted by Ross Douthat, one of the nyt opinion writers. I haven’t listened but I’m gonna guess the two people he’s interviewing are more to the right of him, based on the title. He’s quite annoying himself, though
he recently made a podcast whining about how how inappropriate it was for taylor swift to use curse words and make a song about a penis (because won't someone think of his poor conservative children!) then claimed she was secretly antiwoke and tradwife material owning the libs 🙄 i don't know why i listen to his drivel
The moderator (Ross Douthat) also has a podcast, where this is included as an episode. I tried listening to it but stopped after a few minutes. The podcast itself is quite bad IMO, most of it being the conservative host interviewing other conservatives about conservatism. Amazing. Although I will say that I have heard one episode that was worthwhile, which was an interview with Peter Thiel, in which he (Thiel) went batshit insane.
I used to like the wirecutter. I liked it a lot for the first several years.. then it became a template for all KINDS of garbage advertising and bad recommendations. I bet it was when the nyt bought it.
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RedSeries@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 90 pts · 280d
I can't think of a more NYT thing to publish. They're practically a tabloid now.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 19 pts · 280d
I'm British so in my head they're still classy. Where did it go wrong?
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 280d
This is an op-ed piece, and NYT op-eds have always been godawful. I don't know why we care about it now, or why we're only just now using it to criticize the NYTs journalism (which has more than enough to criticize all on it's own) but that's where this has come from.
Edit: Not entirely relevant to the first point, but I just went and gave it a listen and... The above piece is fucking embarassing. Really. That they've had to change the title three times would seem to indicate they agree. It's the moderator (an absolute dickhead) and some conservative weirdo refusing to answer a very reasonable and simple question with just utter nonsense. Hopefully the justified backlash to this continues, and they eventually clue in and just take it down. Fucking joke.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 280d
You're a hero listening to that I'd end up chucking my phone across the room. It's funny NYT always seemed to have a good reputation shame it's not deserved
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 280d
Their journalistic reputation is quite deserved - despite many valid criticisms, they do still do incredibly good and important journalism. Their opinion pieces ride the coattails of that work to make them seem like they have any value. I honestly do not think I have ever seen a NYT opinion piece that's not just absolute garbage.
The idea was to provide a counterpoint to the liberal 'bias' inherent to reporting all news - but that idea has long since stopped being reasonable, and it really needs to be just given up on.
sauerkrautsaul@lemmus.org · 14 pts · 280d
imo a lot of their reporting is the best of the mainstream. lemmy users absolutely shit on the paper and they generally make valid points, but there's a fair bit of "burn them at the stake" carry on. their op-eds tend to be "diverse", meaning they have total pieces of shit spouting nonsense week by week.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 280d
They're centrist to a fault and have a tendency to agree with the "official narrative" until it becomes unpopular. They're so afraid of being seen as partisan any side can sway them by accusing them of being on the other side enough
Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 280d
Change your thinking immediately. Every single major news outlet in the US is pushing a corporation's agenda. I promise. Theyre all owned by billionaires.
Even publicly funded news in the US helped usher in our current state of fascism by softballing it constantly to Americas lowest common denominator.
dondelelcaro@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 280d
There are exceptions which are not owned by billionaires, like the AP, NPR, and PBS.
shplane@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 280d
Democracy Now! is solid too
Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 280d
However segments and whole shows on those channels are also often influenced heavily from outside donors. Unfortunately they still take corporate sponsorship. Listening to the shit NPR will spout about the current Palestinian genocide makes me fucking livid. And I used to be a sponsor.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 279d
Which one of them opposed a single military action by the US as it was occurring?
You don't get a platform if you're not the type to hear "America just invaded/bombed " and the first thing to come to mind is "Were any American soldiers hurt".
dondelelcaro@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 279d
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 280d
British? Interesting...
Ngl in my (previous, now) headcannon, you're like a cyberhippie lady that lives on a farm with a bunch of butterfly lawn ornaments, host your own email server, and carry a shotgun with a big sun hat and a smile. Don't ask me how my brain got there, I couldn't tell you even if I tried.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 279d
That's far more interesting than my life, so I'm going to say... yes, that is completely, totally accurate
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 280d
When they were founded because the other big NY paper's European correspondent¹ was not fascist enough.
They have been on the wrong side of history, like, every fucking time.
¹Karl something?
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 280d
So I'm the morbidly curious type and started to read this trash...
Gross, cruel, regressive.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 280d
ESPECIALLY when there are a lot of places where it is explicitly not a choice anymore.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 280d
No but see it was her¹ choice to be raped and live somewhere where abortion isn't legal.
If it was not her choice; she is a frigid bitch and probably a liar.
¹trans men and nb's do not exist in this setting.
Wren@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 280d
Ladies, is it woke to not get raped?
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 279d
No no NO, it's not walk at all. It's oppressive to accuse men of sexual harassment... you must be getting confused.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 280d
Totally skipping over widows and unmarried women without children. It's so wrong its not even worth picking apart.
Fuck these Zionist rape fetishists.
Secret_Music@piefed.blahaj.zone · 64 pts · 279d
Here's more of the saga of their changing headline:
And a response by Pizza Cake comics lol:
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 37 pts · 279d
That's fucking brilliant! Best I've seen is not nearly as good...
Secret_Music@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 279d
Nah that's brilliant too and I 100% support it.
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 279d
Wanna start fucking shit up together? I'll bring snacks
Secret_Music@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 279d
Yay I'll pack the molotovs! A picnic by the fire light of the burning patriarchy sounds fantastic!
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 279d
Sounds like a plan!
RhondaSandTits@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 279d
Bahahahahahaha... AWESOME!
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 45 pts · 280d
Has the concept of women gone too far?
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 280d
Yes, we must all (de)trans and man up by the end of the week
i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 35 pts · 280d
Women ruined my
boys' clubworkplace, wahh. Why can't they stick to the jobs we don't respect and have a lower salary?cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 280d
Does anyone actually respect newspaper journalists in 2025?
Wren@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 280d
I do, but I'm a nerd about looking into biases/funding/fact checking/etc. There's as much good stuff as shit and nothing should ever be taken as the god's honest, but there are people who try real damn hard to get the facts and I respect them for it.
I made a whole com just to post from independent media sources I like.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 280d
You're like a meta-reporter.
Wren@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 279d
I think knowing where your news comes from should be part of reading the news.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 279d
It is probably the most important part of reading the news.
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
I promise I'm trying.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 280d
They're not making it easy, are they?
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 1 pts · 278d
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 279d
I don't respect people that don't respect journalism. Like where do you get information from? You just "doing your own research on the internet?" Or just believing any attractive person the algorithms shove in front of you?
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 279d
Yeah, believing the nyt, owned by the same assholes as the big slop algorithms, is so much better.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 279d
BOTH SIDES!!!!
Did an internet influencer tell you to say this, or did you come up with it on your own?
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 279d
Dunno. I was too busy looking at their tits to remember. Can I ask your pronouns before we continue?
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 2 pts · 278d
I respect journalism.
I just haven't seen any in decades. I see instead servicing of narratives.
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 2 pts · 279d
Nope. I was already getting very cynical about journalists (specifically cynical about "free" in "free press") when SARS-NCoV2 hit. The subsequent reportage convinced me that journalism was basically dead.
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 30 pts · 280d
What the fuck is a feminine vice?
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 280d
Maybe another name for one of those vibrators with both clit and gspot stimulation?
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 280d
lol, that would be pretty good!
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 280d
Yeah, but they do seem pretty inappropriate for most work places. I get not wanting them all over every office.
Like, imagine your boss is trying to explain something to you while she uses one, or the new co-worker you kinda think is cute is using one while they ask you for help with a 'how is this done here' type thing.
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 2 pts · 279d
I learned a technique as a teen that involves crossing my legs in a particular angle and flexing/relaxing my thigh muscles.
Very good way to get through the day relaxed and mild.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 279d
But crucially jot noisy or distracting to others. Like music in headphones?
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 1 pts · 279d
It's very subtle, yes. My breathing might get a little irregular or I might get slightly flushed.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 279d
As opposed to vibrator noise!
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 280d
Well fair, I suppose. No vices in the office then.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 280d
I guess even the nyt can occasionally be reasonable on accident.
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 280d
Sadly looking upon for on the content of the… podcast apparently? It’s more like expecting equal pay and thinking sexual harassment should be prosecuted, not a novel new toy that women are using to pleasure themselves. :(
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 280d
Yeah i guess not wanting to be raped at the place I go to not die of exposure is one of my more prominent vices.
Didn't know that was specifically a femme thing. I know most guys I've met also dont like to be raped, like, generally?
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 280d
Next headline: “Are ‘Lady Problems’ Ruining the Workplace? Tampons are Icky”
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 280d
Ewwwwww periods? Ladies, leave the vagina at home!
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 280d
Taleya@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 279d
I'll be honest, if i could detach mine ii'd hurl it at people
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 280d
Miami Vice spinoff
Taleya@aussie.zone · 20 pts · 280d
Hahahah someone found out the hard way that real life isn't their incel reddit echo chamber and got in trouble
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 280d
And i guarantee you they see themselves as a victim cos they were pulled up about it
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 280d
Classic NYT
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 280d
MaLe LoNLieNeSS EpIDeMIC ….tragic. …in other news EveRYThinG WOmaN FaULT.
Icytrees@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 280d
I saw another one called "Did Liberal Feminism Ruin the Workplace?"
Gotta shoe it in there that only liberal feminists are bad, not conservative tradwife feminists.
laurelraven@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 280d
I think it's the same article, they just keep renaming it in hopes that people won't immediately realize how shitty it is
Icytrees@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 280d
Could be the same, also looks like part of a series on the subject. Either way, I found the content as confusing and stupid as the headlines, and I feel slightly more radicalized.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 279d
As moderator I bestow you the award for Comment Of The Day.
Icytrees@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 279d
Thank you. And I will bestow you with the title of Coolest Mod.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 279d
Yay! What lovely news for a Monday morning 😀
Cargon@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 280d
The New York Times is a right wing tabloid rag unfit for wiping your ass. Excise it from your lives. You will be better off.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 279d
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 279d
*WOMENSSTUFF IS A TRANS+ INCLUSIVE WOMEN ONLY COMMUNITY
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 279d
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 279d
Men shouldn't be allowed to work outside the home. They are aggressive, territorial, and utterly unsuited for any job that requires interacting with other human beings. They should be kept at home taking care of children. At least when raising their own offspring, their chimp brains produce some incentive to take care of their own progeny. But interacting with random people? Men are just far too emotional and irrational to be placed in any position of trust and confidence. And don't even get me started on the foolish individualism. Work is about working together as a team, but men only care about personal fame and glory. For them it's all about beating their chests and dicks. When I need to hire someone to get work done, I want someone that will be a productive member of the team, not someone that is more concerned about swinging his dick around and peacocking about what a stud he is.
Men simply have no role in any workplace. They're the illogical sex and best kept at home. What few men who are employed outside the home should be kept in roles where they are outnumbered by women at least ten to one. If too many men gather in one space, their aggressive instincts take over and they start randomly fist fighting and throwing their own feces at one another.
We need to purge workplaces of the masculine vices that have infected them. Work isn't about personal vainglorious pride. It's about actually getting shit done. And men just aren't up for this. Men should largely work from home, kept locked away from large groups of others so they don't get in random fights. They're just to aggressive to be let out in public alone.
And the idea of a male leader? Utterly laughable. You want a man to be president? You want a man to hold the nuclear button? Elect a man to office and he'll launch a nuke towards Moscow just to try and show he has a bigger dick than Putin.
/s
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 279d
Fucking brilliant 👏
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 278d
If only! In my experience they start getting cocky and throwing it at everyone outside their particular clique.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 279d
New theory: the nyt is an op trying to discredit the concept of journalism.
anythingdull@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 279d
Anyone can write an op-ed. Those aren’t the same as articles written by NYT journalists. Putin had an op-ed published by them in 2013
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 279d
Anyone can write one, sure, it doesn't mean it's going to automatically be published. Editors still exist.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 279d
Editors are the ones who decide if something is outrageous enough to bring in a shitload of clicks they can serve ads to
breakfastburrito@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 279d
Well this one is an interview hosted by Ross Douthat, one of the nyt opinion writers. I haven’t listened but I’m gonna guess the two people he’s interviewing are more to the right of him, based on the title. He’s quite annoying himself, though
nonfuinoncuro@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 279d
he recently made a podcast whining about how how inappropriate it was for taylor swift to use curse words and make a song about a penis (because won't someone think of his poor conservative children!) then claimed she was secretly antiwoke and tradwife material owning the libs 🙄 i don't know why i listen to his drivel
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 280d
Average Liberal as soon as the economy starts getting worse
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 279d
Haha remember no politics
laurelraven@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 280d
Can't help but dig that hole deeper, can they
MattW03@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 279d
Have
republicansmaga"Shit vibe" ruined the news?birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 280d
Anything that spreads desinformation can't really be called news.
LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 280d
Hey Birdwing thanks for stopping by! Please see the rules on the pinned post, we don't allow talk of politics here.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 279d
Huh, right, will edit my comment, thanks!
SparkleBooty@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 280d
But what's the context though? What is the article saying exactly?
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 280d
The article is based on a discussion between two conservative writers discussing the role of feminism in the workplace (moderated by Ross Douthat, a conservative opinion editor at NYT). I think this is the transcript: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/opinion/women-workplace-feminism-conservative.html.
The moderator (Ross Douthat) also has a podcast, where this is included as an episode. I tried listening to it but stopped after a few minutes. The podcast itself is quite bad IMO, most of it being the conservative host interviewing other conservatives about conservatism. Amazing. Although I will say that I have heard one episode that was worthwhile, which was an interview with Peter Thiel, in which he (Thiel) went batshit insane.
schnapsman@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d
Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
Chocolate, fashion, and an attraction to buff young dudes have taken over the work place... And Jordan Peterson would like to complain.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 280d
I used to like the wirecutter. I liked it a lot for the first several years.. then it became a template for all KINDS of garbage advertising and bad recommendations. I bet it was when the nyt bought it.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 279d
“All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary.”
-1984