cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/52742400
How the Senate Democratic leader and his Gang of Eight keep trying to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
Why Does Schumer Keep Trying to Cave?
https://prospect.org/2025/11/08/why-does-schumer-keep-trying-to-cave-government-shutdown/
70 Comments
aarch0x40@lemmy.world · 113 pts · 283d
Wonder if he'll get "primaried". Chuck's definately lost touch with the democratic base. How he handled the NYC mayoral race demonstrated that.
dhork@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 283d
My pet theory is that Schumer will agree to not run again, and AOC will take over his seat without primary opposition, as long as she promises to not run against Newsom for President.
PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au · 70 pts · 283d
I have bad news for you about how the DNC operates
dhork@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 283d
What do you mean? Making a backroom deal to get the Next One Up across the finish line is exactly how they operate
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 283d
yeah but AOC is someone the public could get behind as a genuine crusader for the small fry.
DNC historically backstabs people like that the hardest, in order to push the totally-not-republican-in-everything-but-name candidate on America.
dhork@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 283d
The DNC backstabs those folks if they run for President, but would have no problem backing a certain victory for a Senate seat.
snooggums@piefed.world · 31 pts · 283d
They just backstabbed someone running for mayor...
dhork@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 283d
Well, they tried to, but he won, and now they are all going to cozy up to him as long as he keeps winning
smh@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 283d
My fingers are crossed for a Walz/AOC ticket.
DNS@discuss.online · 4 pts · 283d
I really want AOC as president, but it's already fucking clear with the past 2 women nominees that the USA, despite claiming it is "progressive", will not vote for a woman. Even a white woman couldn't make it, what makes you think a brown one will again?
Only time I see it happening is if there is mass social upheaval, a desire for change like with Obama. Today, the propaganda machine has amplified and division is rooted deeply. We crossed the Rubicon as a nation.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 283d
Hillary had no likeability and Kamala had little time and was courting centrists.
dhork@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 283d
I think AOC will make a perfect Presidential candidate, in 2040 or 2048 after a few terms in the Senate. She will still be "young" by Presidential standards. Maybe by then many of the misogynists will have died off.
Don't get me wrong: she would make an extremely good candidate in 2028 too. But I don't think she has a chance of winning in the current climate. Too many people won't vote for a woman right now, but are self-aware enough to know they can't admit it anymore, so will come up with bullshit reasons why they can't do it.
If she is on my ballot she is getting my vote, full stop. But I want to keep her for NY for a while longer.
oyo@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 283d
The main problem is that by then the character assassination will be complete. Right now it's still just underway.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 283d
Or maybe those women had dog shit policies. Nope, no introspection allowed, just play the victim card and learn absolutely nothing.
AshMan85@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 283d
I wont vote for him again
Suavevillain@lemmy.world · 72 pts · 283d
Weak leadership is why we are in this Trump era in the first place. Leadership comes from the Top down look at how Republicans emulate Trump.
3abas@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 283d
And the Democratic party will only ever allow weak leadership. They complicit, and the sooner people realize it the sooner we can move on from this idiotic two party mentality.
There are good people who have good intentions who run as Democrats, no doubt, but they either get nowhere or they capitulate and give up too much in vain hopes of changing things from within, but the shackles never get loosened.
The Democratic party is in full swing whitewashing war criminals and normalizing boot licking and veteran warship in order to swing the Overton window to the center.
logi@piefed.world · 12 pts · 283d
The two parties are not a "mentality". They're an inescapable consequence of FPTP voting. If you pretend otherwise you will simply lose. And most likely get more fascists.
3abas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 283d
Stop repeating the propaganda of your two parties like it's gospel, it only keeps them in power.
Both Canada and the United Kingdom use FPTP voting and they have more than two viable parties that regularly win and hold seats. You keep electing fascists-light because fascists-classic is too scary, but you're still voting for fascists.
It was Biden who full throated support for fascist Israel's genocide against the natives they colonize, it was Biden who allowed police to attack peaceful student protestors, it was Biden's press secretary that had police drag reporters out for asking questions, and it was Biden who spread lies and his party that continues to dehumanize Palestinians.
It was Biden that renewed FISA, who signed a bill to block railroad strike, who bypassed Leahy law to transfer arms to Israel, who extended Trump's Title 42, who started the TikTok divestment ban that lead to the purchase everyone is blaming Trump for now. It was under Biden than the US repeatedly vetoed a ceasefire in Gaza, the DHS waived 26 laws to build border wall segments in Texas, and the DOH prosecuted Assange.
You don't fight fascism with fascism.
SupahRevs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 282d
I get your point, but the FPTP part of Canadian legislature is the House of Commons and there are only 2 viable parties (outside of Quebec). I think it is clear we need a different voting system to build more political parties in the US, like ranked choice voting.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 283d
Sure, but they also have prime ministers and parliaments, and are generally run differently from the United States which has had two main parties since its inception because that is what the system will produce.
logi@piefed.world · 1 pts · 282d
Thankfully I vote in a place without a brain dead voting system, so I have the luxury of voting for who I actually want. It would be great if the US could have that too, but sadly they don't. Once you get to the actual elections there are only 3 choices: the fascists, the limp dicks, or leave the choice to others. However much you dislike Biden, those are the choices. The time to affect what the choices are is before that in primaries and local elections and it takes time and work. A lot of it. It sucks, but that's what it is.
And maybe, just maybe, y'all can do try to do something about that voting system.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 283d
Forever relegating the party's future is a silly move. There is no viable progressive party. It's been a year since he was elected, there's still no viable progressive party. The best we've done is some well organized protests, but it's the information age, darlings, protests would have to grow to violent mobs before anything is achieved, and I don't see that happening anywhere, even as fascism is abducting citizens off the streets, repelling into their apartments off helicopters.
We don't have years for a party to come together, identify leaders, establish roots at all levels. We are under full attack, now. If we can't get a single violent mob together, then the next best step is to metaphorically do it to the DNC so we can at least use its infrastructure and mechanisms to get a new movement going.
I would love to spend real, thoughtful time devising a new form for a new party, but I am not seeing how, beyond being really upset, people think that's going to simultaneously happen while we get also get the 270 electoral votes behind a single person in just 3 short years, with enough of a charisma lead that the next Jan 6 doesn't turn into a military coup.
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 283d
"Why does Schumer keep trying to cave?"
How will we ever find the answer to this complicated question? I mean, if you just assume that he's compromised trash, and barely better than his GOP colleagues, then everything would be explained, but that obviously can't be the solution.
PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au · 38 pts · 283d
His GOP colleagues are trying to send anyone who's Mexican to a prison camp and make it illegal to oppose them.
Schumer is a bunch of dog shit smirking in a suit all hunched over like Igor, but they're not in the same ballpark in terms of the damage they're doing.
mcv@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 283d
"Schumer is a bunch of dog shit smirking in a suit all hunched over like Igor" does not sound like a defense.
Schumer is absolutely a problem to the Democratic party, but he's not MAGA. I'm fairly confident he'd vote to impeach Trump, unlike the Republicans. So he doesn't support Trump, and he doesn't support his fascism (although he does support Netanyahu's genocide, apparently), but he's also not doing much to resist it either. He's very much a status quo conservative. Trump is upsetting that status quo, by making it worse. We also want to upset it, but in the opposite direction.
Schumer finds himself stuck in the middle, trying to balance his allegiance to his corporate masters and Netanyahu with Trump's fascism and the needs of the American people. It's an awkward position to be in, but he chose it himself, and I don't feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the Democratic Party that's constantly being held back by him.
PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au · 1 pts · 283d
I mean clearly it's not lol. The other person is just suffering from Lemmy reading comprehension.
You misspelled "trying to conceal his allegience to his corporate masters and Netanyahu and not bothering to put much effort into the ruse."
I am 100% assuming that last night's capitulation was engineered by Schumer with a handful of people designated who can afford to take the fall for it. If Schumer ever bothers to explain his feelings about ending the shutdown, I guarantee he will make some general noises but definitely he will not say anything that sounds like he thinks ending the shutdown without ACA funding was a bad thing.
miked@piefed.social · 0 pts · 283d
This almost reads as if you are trying to defend Schumer.
He continues to let these atrocities to occur as long as his nest egg is safe.
PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au · 4 pts · 283d
I am not
Absolutely 100%. He basically doesn't give a shit as long as he keeps getting a paycheck. Can we fuckin' primary this guy? I would donate money to that.
Soulg@ani.social · 2 pts · 283d
This constant trying to compare the terrible leadership to the GOP only shows that you have zero understanding of how sinister and evil the GOP actually is.
WatDabney@sopuli.xyz · 36 pts · 283d
Because he's a corrupt piece of shit, owned by the same moneyed interests that own the Republicans.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 283d
His imaginary Republican family told him so.
https://youtu.be/dijMKwZMU2Q
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 22 pts · 283d
Because that’s his nature, presumably
UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 283d
Stop pretending these oligarch lackeys in public office are "caving" or "surrendering" or "giving in".
They are doing what they are paid to do by their donors.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 283d
Money.
Just a reminder that this past election shows that people are absolutely fed the hell up with the current spinless democratic party. Donate to the progressives, never donate to the DNC and its ilk, and vote for them in the primaries to get these collaborators out of office. The change is happening but like the Beastie Boys say, it takes time to build.
Just hope that these collaborators don't vote to remove the right to vote because I can see them doing this.
atmorous@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 282d
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ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 283d
Voters are not fed up with them, they may removed about them at times like these but will defend them tooth and nail come election time. And anyone pointing out what they previously did are lashed out at and accused of trying to get the other team elected. Voters have the memory of dead goldfish
balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one · 4 pts · 283d
removed is fun, don't kink shame
ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 283d
That wasn't me, its a dumbass .world filter. I think I said disgruntled
balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one · 3 pts · 283d
What the actual fuck they have a word filter?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 283d
No, only lemmy.ml does that, this person is just confused.
ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 283d
Oh yea, and it edits the original comment to look like that's what was typed in.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 283d
No it's Lemmy.ml filtering. That's why I moved to db0.
ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 283d
I've had words filtered using . World too
ceenote@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 283d
Because if they get rid of the filibuster he might have to start doing his job.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 283d
It's Schumer, that's what he does, that's what he's always done.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 283d
It might be time to rename the Dems to the Controlled Opposition Party (COP). Seems like a nice counterbalance to the GOP.
slaughterhouse@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 283d
All COPs are bastards!
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 283d
Follow the money. Who owns him? Ask them about the why.
rhurruck@piefed.social · 13 pts · 283d
SACO == Schumer always chickens out
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 283d
Schumer Almost Never Does What I Could Have
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 283d
Schumer Pledges Ineffectual Tripe
Schumer Happily Upholds Tradition, Upsets Proletariat
Schumer Chucks Reasonable Option Through Ulterior Motive
Schumer Crumbles Under Minor Bullying Appeasing GOP
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 283d
Can this be a poetry anthology please
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 283d
You'd call this poetry? Honestly I assume when I fall into doing stuff like these that they're really just gonna be an exercise for my own amusement and barely glanced at by anyone else.
P.S. Several Users Polled Expressed Deep Sincerity (Quite Unsurprising) Implying Real Respect, Even Love
P.P.S. I'm sad you deleted your comment. I saw it in my inbox and chuckled, so if you post it again I'll reply to it to make clear to anyone else I'm taking it jokingly.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 283d
[I meant to post what was originally here not as a reply but as an addendum to my comment above. It's now visible there as P.P.S.]
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 283d
Feyd@programming.dev · 3 pts · 283d
Why am I hungry?
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 283d
Subtle Overpowering Using Psychology
mr_account@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 283d
... trying?
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 283d
Vote in/ allow to be voted in psychopants and weak willed and you get a crumbling society. It's not complicated.
Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 282d
I'm not sure if you mean psychopaths or sycophants but I'm into this lady mondegreen of yours.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 283d
Why Does Water Keep Trying To Flow Downhill?
khepri@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 283d
He wants the good old days back, when both parties shared equally in the grift and everyone in the political elite understood what the game was and how to keep it running. Schumer gets that to keep the machine running (that has made them all very wealthy and powerful while working about 85 days a year) he's going to have to go under the boot and take us all with him.
frustrated@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 282d
Schumer is part of an old american politics where there was a cordial relationship between both sides and the cost of sacrificing the interests of the constituents was largely negligible - no one knew what was going on so no one could complain (pre-24hr news cycle and pre infinite news outlets online or in public). Times changed. People notice everything. Schumer is not built for this time where everything he does is under a microscope and where consequences are seen and felt. He is acting as if he can just pretend that things are like they were in the 90s where he can show up, gladhand with donors and his colleagues across the isle, cash a check, work 4 months out of the year, and insider trade. He cant. The problem is that he is also intrinsically part of the democratic party machinery so no one can force him out. He needs to be primaried at a minimum.
xc2215x@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 283d
Schumer is more centrist than liberal.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 283d
Liberal can be a centre or centre-right position, as the term is used in many contexts. But it has a range of meanings, which can cause confusion and misunderstanding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 283d
He wants to become the head coach of the Washington Generals.
santa@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 281d
He’s not “trying” — he is caving.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 282d
He isn't caving... this was planned.
The ratchet keeps turning it all to the MAGA side.
atmorous@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 282d
Simple:
In world politics, USA Moderate Democrats are Center-Right on the scale
So they might as well be 2 sides of the same party
Sure there are some good moderates but majority have been failing us for too long.
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They take no AIPAC, & actively make sure their members do not. They are growing nationally their bench & have on Substack RFS Feel Good. Which weekly updates people with accomplishments they have collectively completed over the years
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 283d
smeg@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 283d