Trump administration to announce dismantling of much of Education Dept.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2025/11/18/trump-administration-announce-dismantling-much-education-dept/

The Education Department plans to announce Tuesday that it will move multiple parts of the agency to other federal departments, an unprecedented and unilateral effort to dismantle an agency created by Congress to ensure all Americans have equal access to educational opportunity and better coordinate federal programs.

The move was described by three people informed of the plan ahead of the announcement. Two of these people said six offices within the department would be shifted elsewhere; the third person said it was at least two.

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comrade_twisty@feddit.org · 74 pts · 284d (2 replies)

Who needs edumacation anyways, Brawndo has what plants crave!

thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 284d

Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 284d

It's got electrolytes!

Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 56 pts · 284d (3 replies)

Lack of education will make America great again.

floofloof@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 284d (1 reply)

It's how you compete with China. While they waste money and effort on education, science, engineering, infrastructure and so on, you sit back with Jesus, a sense of white supremacy, a cool beer, and a truck in the front yard you'll put wheels on next month.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 284d

Median pay in the U.S. for no high school degree is 37,492. Median 1 bedroom apartment- 1,500. At $18,000 a year before utilities they can't get approved for a lease. So unless they are crashing at someone else's place the beer isn't cold, and the truck is their house and depending on what state they live in they are considered to be illegal to live in it..

So much for having a trad-wife or whatever, they'll need a sugar mama

KneeTitts@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 284d

Lack of education will make America great again

Lack of education made Amerika what it is right now

Envy@quokk.au · 53 pts · 284d (15 replies)

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Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 284d (13 replies)

A magat professor? Wild how someone in charge of teaching people could also be functionally retarded.

village604@adultswim.fan · 21 pts · 284d

I had a few of those. I was the reason one of them banned laptops in her class after my semester because I fact checked her so much. She would say shit like, "the CDC says that condoms are 100% ineffective."

Luckily she couldn't ban my laptop because it was a reasonable accommodation for my disability.

PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 284d

Red states are excelling in this regard. Vaulting unqualified and downright damaged/damaging right-wingers into teaching positions so they can further pollute our young. There was even a recent scandal (Texas) about having other people take their yearly assessment/qualification exams for them. And even now Texas is wholly de-funding public education in favor of private indoctrination schools. Yay. :-|

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 14 pts · 284d (4 replies)

I think a lot of people still have difficulties understanding that the US will be dismantled down to the dirt. I understand. It sounds unreal to think that every single piece of this country will be eliminated and rebuilt into a country that is totally unrecognizable. People are fighting it mentally… They are denying it. Even when it happens, they make an excuse for it not being the end of the country… but if you look back in history, every civilization eventually ended.

SkabySkalywag@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 284d (1 reply)

I agree with you. But for the rest of us that can see the shit fest of destruction coming, what's going to happen after the next 3 years?

Is it all going to be straight 'reconstruction ' or a chance for something new to replace?

Can we recover? This is the question that fills me with dread in bed.

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 284d

Oh, no… It’s going to be rebuilt back up similar to handmaid’s tale. Total authoritarianism. If you want freedom, come back in about 200 years.

Best case scenario is the states split off, there’s a mostly cold war, and the land known as the United States is financially crippled for generations as they try to stabilize. I would recommend not being in a red state, because there will be no federal government to keep them in check.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 284d (1 reply)

Dismantled, yes. Rebuilt?

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 284d

If you smash a vase, someone will eventually pick those pieces up. They might reassemble it into a bowl.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 284d

A magat professor?

Far more common than you'd initially guess, especially in big red states like Texas and Florida.

The Charlie Kirk-ification of academia has systematically removed much of the so-called Liberal Academic base and used their chairs as sinecures for conservative cronies and nepotism hires.

Envy@quokk.au · 10 pts · 284d (1 reply)

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LordMayor@piefed.social · 2 pts · 284d

There’s nothing wrong with community college but it sounds like you’re plenty qualified to get into a real university.

Lennny@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 284d

IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 284d

Pretty soon the title of Professor will be meaningless…

lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 284d

There do indeed exist educators who have heavy ideological biases and horrible personalities, and likewise some supposedly educated people who are into extreme ideologies either because they absolutely hate specific groups and/or because they're in for personal profit that could happen once they're in charge.

pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 284d

My profs actively want this to happen

inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 284d (3 replies)

McMahon has argued that the recently ended government shutdown showed how unnecessary her agency is. “Students kept going to class. Teachers continued to get paid. There were no disruptions in sports seasons or bus routes,” she wrote. “The shutdown proved an argument that conservatives have been making for 45 years: The U.S. Department of Education is mostly a pass-through for funds that are best managed by the states.”

As always, the question is "States rights to do what?". And when it comes to education, we all know the answer is abstinence, creationism and the benefits of slavery.

Federal law directs that these programs be housed in the Education Department. The Trump administration is employing a work-around, the people briefed on the matter said, whereby other government agencies would run the Education programs under a contract with the Education Department.

I'm not sure if I am relieved that they aren't even doing the state control BS.

etherphon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 284d

I fucking knew they would use the length of the shutdown for something like this.

tonytins@pawb.social · 6 pts · 284d (1 reply)

I’m not sure if I am relieved that they aren’t even doing the state control BS.

While I'm not trying to underestimate anything, this come off more as virtue signaling than actually fulfilling said promises?

inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 284d

You're not wrong. State rights is bit of a right wing soundbite.

Time well tell.

nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 49 pts · 284d (5 replies)

A healthy, broadly educated population which feels safe and secure is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.

They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 284d (4 replies)

A healthy, broadly educated population which feels safe and secure is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.

I mean, we've got the entire 1960s/70s turn towards Reaganism suggesting the opposite. A broadly educate population secure in its ethnic majoritarian control of private property is ripe for conservative ideological poisoning. The landlord class loves the Republicans. The high income working class loves Republicans. The Professional Managerial Class loves Republicans.

So long as Republicans are willing to operate as gatekeepers - guaranteeing White Christian Men dominate the private sector - they will continue to be a magnet for corrupt and ambitious American social climbers.

nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 284d (3 replies)

I’m genuinely curious how any of this reply negates my original post.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 284d (2 replies)

Educated. People. Vote. Republican. All. The. Time.

nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 284d (1 reply)

Educated Replublicans != broadly educated.

Seppo culture is fascinating.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 283d

Educated Replublicans != broadly educated.

That's simply not true

switcheroo@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 284d

"I love the uneducated."

'Smart people don't like me."

etherphon@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 284d (1 reply)

So are they gonna be replacing those "You don't need college" commercials with "You don't need high school" commercials?

vateso5074@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 284d

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Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 284d

Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 284d (2 replies)

So that means I don't need to pay back my student loans, right?

graycube@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 284d (1 reply)

Not exactly. They are selling student loans on the market the way mortgages used to be traded in the good old 2000's.

atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 284d

No part of the contract I signed allows them to do that. It will be in the courts for years. Just like the public service loan forgiveness program suit that still has my loans in forbearance 3 years later.

mhague@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 284d (4 replies)

Ok but, education is a subsidy for corporations. It makes sure we're educated enough to be worth hiring. Among other things, education is important in making us competitive.

Nobody should want this except for traitorous elites ready to leave the country the instant the tap runs dry. Even the most soulless neolib/conservative ought to realize education is necessary.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 284d (2 replies)

education is a subsidy for corporations

It's a perquisite for domestic development of professional labor. But where those laborers work is dictated by their access to capital. Corporate monopolization of real estate and advanced machinery forces professional workers into their employment. The act of publicly provisioning education isn't what yields subsidy. Its the caging of graduates into privately owned industries through control of physical and intellectual properties.

Nobody should want this except for traitorous elites ready to leave the country the instant the tap runs dry.

I think you're getting out ahead of your skis.

Trump defends U-turn on Chinese student visas after Maga backlash

The White House has said that those 600,000 student visas will be issued over the next two years, in line with numbers issued in previous years.

The plan isn't for American plutocrats to pick up and leave. It is to swing open the doors of the Guest Worker program and import millions of professionally skilled indentured servants.

mhague@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 283d (1 reply)

I think you're describing the plan, while I'm predicting the chimaera that will be born from conflicting politics. Billionaires have a plan but they aren't gods. How will the country exist when we're all sidelined and corporations import slaves? Will Palantir et al usher in a new paradigm? Is modern surveillance the eponymous straw on our backs? I just think that billionaires won't get what they want, and that they hit very hard, and the result of those two facts implies we're going to be beaten to within an inch of our lives.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 283d

How will the country exist when we’re all sidelined and corporations import slaves?

Asking this to my good friends George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. They said it'll all blow over in another four score and seven years, and not to worry about it in the meantime.

Is modern surveillance the eponymous straw on our backs?

I'd say its the padlock on the gate. A lot of people are (justifiably) quite paranoid as to how their actions and interests are being surveilled. A lot of police action has targeted activist groups, going straight back to the Nixon Era, and successfully disrupted local efforts to impose reforms democratically or through direct labor action.

I just think that billionaires won’t get what they want

Historically speaking, that's rarely been the case. They get what they want. But its often a Monkey's Paw, resulting in unintended consequences that send them scrambling to the next plan. In this case, flooding the US labor market with a bunch of lower paid foreign professionals and expecting them to supplant all the highly trained locals with title to much of the residential property in a tight housing market with rapidly increasing rents... I can read a whole host of downstream ramifications resulting from this decision.

At the same time, we've invested heavily in a policing system that runs roughshod over civil rights for even native born citizens. So he's going to import 600,000 obviously non-white people and put them right next door to several thousand ICE agents just tearing around town looking for anyone non-white to deport?

Seems like a recipe for disaster to me. But what do I know? I'm not a billionaire.

Fedizen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 283d

It also is going to lead to the most obvious and predictable violations in food safety, etc.

The republican war on germ theory is only going to end with a bunch of people being poisoned.

yarr@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 283d (1 reply)

They will have you believe the only two options are: a) Keep the DoE exactly as it is b) Shred the whole org

It's a false dilemma. It could be overhauled instead of eliminated. The citizenry of the US has grown so foolish that some people will actually defend this as a great move!

I don't find it as interesting that the DoE is being dismantled. I am more interested in what will replace it. In this case, I think it'll be a bunch of hand-waving, like "states will step in". Sure, but what about the grant monies the DoE used to provide? I guess that'll just appear out of nowhere?

FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 283d