This is getting weirder. Did they realize they were being shitty on camera?:
“I’m a U.S. citizen, please help me,” she shouted after agents forced her to the ground. “This is unfair. Why are you doing this to me?”
Agents then placed her in a patrol vehicle. She was released a short time later.
“She refused to cooperate and identify herself with all levels of law enforcement there,” said agency spokesman Alan Regalado, noting Monroe County Sheriff’s Office deputies were there. A Herald reporter saw deputies moving drivers along who were slowing down to watch the stop.
After agents removed the woman from her car, they found her driver’s license in the vehicle, ran it through their system and confirmed she is a U.S. citizen, Regalado said.
Ya, speaking as an American, America really jumped the boat with Iraq and Afghanistan and the idea of American Exceptionalism. Like I get it, America is the best, but the minute you start seeing results that are not agreeable, change the method. No, these chuckle ducks said we are America and rammed thorugh terrible idea after terrible idea. 'Cause we the best. It's this mindset that has everybody denying, America was already close to the bottom. Now it seems we trying to be the best at being the bottom. And seeing if that floor can go lower.
Exercise doesn't cure poison. Using individual tools like critical thinking can help you avoid internalizing the misinformation and propaganda, but it sure doesn't inoculate you from it. We need to cut it out at its source and find ways to ensure it doesn't get replatformed. Otherwise the toxin is there, just waiting for a day when you're not on alert, slowly poisoning your mind.
There are always going to be people whose honest assessment is just wrong, or very probably wrong. Or its one of those black swan moments and the crazy person is right.
There's no getting rid of uncertainty. Science helps us quantify that and work with it.
It really isn't, fascists love using "science" and "rationality" to "prove" their ideologies. You can argue that they're not doing real science, but their followers will believe it.
The cure to fascism is anarchism. That is the only effective way to prevent it.
It's been allowed under the laws for a long time, it's just like everything else been a polite agreement not to do things like that. The constitution isn't really suited for actors in bad faith in all parts of the government.
But it's not, simply put if you are not committing a crime you are not required to ID.
Border control is allowed to ask you if you are a US citizen and they have expanded authority at established checkpoints. ICE can only ask you are a citizen. They can request ID, but you have the right to refuse.
Now if they can give probable cause that you are breaking a law then you can be detained and compelled to ID. The current legal standing is that race cannot be used to establish probable cause. Now of course the Supreme Court can over turn that anytime.
But all of this to say this has been the law for decades. ICE and local police departments struggle to understand that you do not have to ID when asked except under specific circumstances. Several departments have escalated to arrests that ultimately get thrown out. You can do a search online and find dozens of examples of cities having to pay a lot of money in settlements over false arrests.
But if you are driving a vehicle you are obliged to produce a driver's license in every state. You can't be pulled over just to have your license checked though, there has to be other cause for the stop.
Know your rights and fight for them before they are taken
These people will be protected and suffer no consequences, because the oligarchy in the US knows it will need more thugs who can operate with impunity. This is why Trump released the Jan 6th rioters.
National guard literally murdered and stabbed students in multiple instances in 1970 and nothing happened to them. Most got promoted.
You know how many Nazis were hung in the Nuremberg trials? Like 10. Everyone else was basically acquitted. You cannot rely on systems of power to punish transgressors.
and Ex-Nazis continued to meet in clubs in Germany until they died in the 70s-80s, they flocked around Himmler's daughter.
There was no remorse, only old age and death stopped them.
Sadly most Nazis minus a few higher ups went without punishment. Many scientists even ended up working for the US as part of Operation Paperclip. Like the Civil War, the punishment NEVER fits the crime and these assholes mainly get off scot-free with no repercussions. Which always leads to a resurgence at some point.
It's actually surprising how they happen to have two million prisoners. Clearly, some people are going to jail.
In other news the justice department commissioned an AI to automate sentencing of convicted felons but had second thoughts when it transpired the robot had become racist after being trained on the judicial records. True story.
The Nuremberg trials were in my opinion exceedingly light in their judgments overall - too many Germans were guilty to practically execute or jail them all.
The same degree of lenience in this case would be a travesty.
I hope so too but I have no faith in the democrats or the current American justice system to make it happen. The only way I see it happening is revolution or war. Otherwise, the federal government will just go on acting like all of this was perfectly normal
"She is visible white and 👱 blond, a medical worker, speaks with no accent. This should be a warning sign for MAGAt as they could be preyed by ICE at any time!"
None of that is a reason to believe she's not an undocumented immigrant. And being brown, curly-haired, not-a-medical-worker is not any reason to believe they're an undocumented immigrant.
Is this objectionable behavior by ICE? absolutely. But not because of who the victim is. but because there IS a victim. everyone in this country is protected by the constitution, and afforded the rights of due process- which ICE is flagrantly violating the shit out of.
Can we please stop with the special classes of people like this?
By going after this woman, they're making it clear to MAGA folk that allowing the rights of minorities to be eroded also removes their own protection. Even racist assholes should be appalled at the civil rights violations being committed.
And in making that argument, it signals to the racist assholes that the problem being that she's white, blonde and professional, and therefore the rest are fair game.
which as you say, erodes everyone's rights. But that's not particularly important to me. the rights of all are worth protecting even if that weren't true.
I think it is about opening the eyes of the racist ICE supporters that in fact they are not safe from what they have initiated. Even if they cannot make the jump to being decent human beings caring about all people, they usually care about what happens to themselves.
Yeah and as much as we all hate having to interact with these absolute chuds, the most successful ways of deprogramming people have been through empathetic outreach.
If these MAGA chuds experience the boot of fascism first hand, that might open them up to listening to people from other groups that have had to deal with this kind of treatment for much longer.
It's a slow process, a metric fuck ton of emotional labour, and not everyone is willing to do that work, which is understandable given that you'll be competing against the whole outrage media and "attention economy".
But if enough of us are willing then through genuine human connection, which everyone but a very minute actual clinically psychopathic portion of the population is so desperate for, can get these chuds to open their eyes and grow a little more empathetic.
If MAGA people were able to understand the subtext of this event, they'd be smart enough not to be MAGA in the first place. You might as well try to explain to a dog why drinking antifreeze is bad.
Yes, yes, yes! But also, it's particularly notable that she's white and blond with no accent because they claim to their supporters to be protecting those specific people from "illegals." Pointing out that they're not only doing something awful but also defying their own stated principles is always a good thing to do.
It makes a point of slapping people who truly believe, even now, that all the ICE activity thus far has been against illegals.
Illegal only. For real. They believe that.
A maga relative in landscaping was mystified as to why half his employees had either left or were leaving and weren’t coming back for the next season. In his words: they’re believing all the lies and hype being spewed by the media.
In his mind, even now, ICE is only doing their job: removing people here illegally.
Because media can’t be believed and is filled not with lies but terrible twisting of the truth.
So putting a face on this, that looks like MAGA, is about all that’s left to try to get their attention.
No, they are appealing to MAGA folks that are picturing getting rid of all the dark skinned people they don't like.
The people that consider that nuance have already been against the ICE crap, you don't have to convince those. The only people that can be convinced are those that you need to get their racism aside before they'll join you. It's distasteful, but it's a way to grow the voices condemning this behavior.
They're Pointing out to the racists that they shouldn't be cheering this on, because not even they are safe from this fascist shit. Because you know maga assumes they're safe because of how they look and talk.
We all know what that's code for. I have never been to the US in my life, and yet as a white European I'd be accosted much less than tens of millions of US citizens.
they exist, in large part, because articles like this normalize it
This complaint is missing the forest for trees.
Special classes of people have existed for as long as civilization has exited. Leaders and followers, kings and peasants, the wealthy and the poor, etc. As animals, it's in the nature of some of us to desire a greater share of resources and luxury at the cost of depriving others from having the same.
An article repeating the notion of people with specific skin tones are part of a privileged class isn't the problem, it's just a symptom of the problem. The problem is the bigots who put that into practice, singling out and causing problems for people with specific tones while providing benefits to those with other specific tones. Getting rid of public acknowledgement about class disparity isn't going to get rid of class disparity, it's just going to get rid of discussion about class disparity. The racists will still be there, being racist.
Getting rid of public acknowledgement about class disparity isn’t going to get rid of class disparity,
that article isn't recognizing class disparity, though. it's perpetuating and normalizing it. and yes, the people that are bigots are absolutely also part of the problem. the media is complicit in that, though, including that article.
You're completely right. All this does is fuel more racism and elitism. Unfortunately it is the reality we currently live in. Many people who are MAGA absolutely believe blonde hair blue eyed white people are true Americans and are safe. Pointing out these facts tells them that they're next and that all of this is wrong. Some people won't realize their mistakes until it happens to them personally. A white woman with blonde hair hits home for many of them and could be a wakeup call.
Again I want to say that I DO NOT agree with bringing up this information. I do not believe it should be relevant at all. It is just unfortunate that this is the reality we are living in and I believe we do need to be the change we want to see by not bringing this information up ourselves.
All ICE agents should be treated with nothing but disdain and ridicule for the rest of their lives. We need a running list of their identities so they can be ostracized. Monuments should be built at Arlington so they can join Robert E. Lee in their shame. Make it a public urinal, right at the entrance.
Had to check the date on the article because this is not the first woman in scrubs on her way to work being yanked out of a car while telling ICE that she is a citizen.
We live in a dystopian hell and for some reason we keep acting like it’s all fine.
I hope someone hunts down her assailants one by one, tortures them psychologically, makes them suffer physically and broadcasts it all as a warning to other fascist fuckwits before delivering upon them the fate all Nazis deserve.
She literally can't, ICE agents are federal agents which means they have civil immunity from lawsuits that are a direct result of their duties. Unless they're doing something that a reasonable person would understand to be a breach of the law. That said the federal courts seem to use Donald Trump's circumstantial definition of a reasonable person and only his. So fat chance there's a legal solution to this.
I feel very reasonably that warrantless searches and seizures while not in uniform and face coverings and no badges IS A BREACH OF THE LAW!!!!
Not to even mention all the countless people that have been disappeared or deported to God knows where with no information given to their families or anything. Just poof gone. No jury, no trial, no proof they did anything wrong, no positive ID they are even who they are. None of it.
Please explain how any of that could possibly be legal and how any reasonable person wouldn't consider it evil and terrible and utterly terrifying and dystopian?
How is everyone NOT upset at how awful this all is?
How is everyone NOT upset at how awful this all is?
Half of the united states watches fox news and doesn't know, doesn't care. I'd wager a good chunk of the left over doesn't see this stuff due to whatever algorithm Valium they are subscribed to. And the leftover from that is people on Lemmy or reddit seeing this daily. Does it breech something? It would look like it to me, but if there was a lawsuit, not sure how well that goes since the supreme court kneel as well. Prob better off with a celebrity in a different country to bring light to it.
It's legal because the people who decide on what is and isn't legal decided it's legal. That's it. There is no moral high ground, no social norm to defend this from. It's morally wrong but the law isn't about morality, it's about power. Maybe the law should be more moral and less powerful but we don't live in that world yet.
It's just too bad there wasn't one of those responsible gun owners around to prevent terrorists from kidnapping a civilian. Speaking of, where are all of these gun toting Americans that believe they have them to defend America? Fucking cowards.
I am not a gun owner. I've never tried to senselessly defend them by claiming they're for protection. I just want the hypocrites to stop being hypocrites and to point out how fake the initial argument was in the first place.
The preceding conversation taught me that scrub-wearing people who work in hospitals don't wear their scrubs outside the facility & don't have to wash them themselves, they leave their scrubs at work and there's a separate crew responsible for scrubs laundry.
My life is not like that.
The worst filth my scrubs ever encounter are my own body sweat & occasional massage lotion mishaps.
Do you mean why did ICE abduct her from work inside the hospital and drag her outside kicking & screaming without giving her a chance to change her clothes?
These are likely not the drab, standard, facility-provided surgical or operating scrubs that even the I.T. staff has to change in to (or don over top) before crossing the red line into a clean zone, 'red' room or room with isolation precautions. These are the other personally-supplied garments staff wear to look professional in a medical setting. These are the same ones that are sometimes replaced with T-shirts and such on casual friday or department-coordinated Hallowe'en costumes on October 31.
Thank you for voting for this, Republicans. We are glad that you and so many are showing your true colors. It'll be glorious to see that color be washed away with your blood after the guillotine's blade falls.
OMG how am I having to explain this to someone in 2025? The r-word is a slur against people with disabilities. Most of us realized like a decade ago that it's not cool to use that word.
Police don't have the right to pull people over, ask them to exit their vehicle, cuff them, or put them in the back of a vehicle (detain them) without a reason. Stopping someone without reason is harassment, the rest is assault/battery (depending on location)/kidnapping without providing the reason. If they give you a reason they can detain you, but if that reason does not follow the laws or is determined to be unreasonable by a judge the body making the arrest is supposed to be held responsible and penalized, possibly making them open to a lawsuit. Aka she should sue them, and taxpayers should be pissed we are having to pay for this
You must not live in the US or you are very sheltered if so. That is not at all how things go down here. Police and ice do this sort of thing all the time. With no consequence. Screaming doesn't usually stop the harassment.
Rights are only as good as the justice system. The US has been ignoring the rights of citizens and committing human rights atrocities. Not every US citizen confronted by the police is as lucky as her. If you think that your boot licking is going to protect you it's a foolish delusion.
Boot licking? Go fuck your fucking self. I hate police more than probably anyone you know.
But you said that "screaming doesn't usually get them to let you go" and I explained that yes, they are bastard pigs that break the law all the time and are abusive.
You implied they let her go BECAUSE she screamed which wasn't correct. They let her go because they ran her shit and realized they fucked up.
But they're not supposed to break the law like that. Which is true. Pointing out that they are breaking the law when they do that is the opposite of bootlicking. Shove your fist up your ass, bitch. And try to develop some reading comprehension skills.
Lol you think this is because she's a woman? I'm not saying it's her own fault. I'm saying I wonder if she voted for this and thought she would come out winning.
The fact that you so prominently brought up the notion that she may have voted for the actions brought upon her implies that you believe she did and this is leopards eating faces. Even if unintentional, that's how it reads in the first place. Your response is doubling down on that and digs you a deeper hole. It sounds an awful lot like baseless victim blaming.
No I'm just saying that this is what hateful racist voted for and now we got this happening. Black folks and white folks thought they were safe, but here we are repeating the same tactics as other fascist and dictators. Keep them scared and in line and make an example for everybody to see.
Plus didn't he just declare nurses as a none professions?
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pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 320 pts · 243d
This is getting weirder. Did they realize they were being shitty on camera?:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/florida-keys/article313356223.html
Edit: So basically, she wouldn't show them her gold star. WTF country are we fucking living in.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 96 pts · 243d
Why would they bother with the license if the ICE facial app scan said she was an immigrant? I thought it was absolute and infallible...
CentipedeFarrier@piefed.social · 31 pts · 243d
Too many eyes
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 242d
And not enough brains.
drdalek@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 79 pts · 243d
A racist one
Edit: no lie, my phone autocorrected Fascist to racist (I probably fucked the spelling). Accurate both ways
xzot746@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 243d
And fascist don't forget that part!
It's quite sad to watch the decline of America.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 2 pts · 243d
"decline" 🙄
Megamanexent@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 242d
Ya, speaking as an American, America really jumped the boat with Iraq and Afghanistan and the idea of American Exceptionalism. Like I get it, America is the best, but the minute you start seeing results that are not agreeable, change the method. No, these chuckle ducks said we are America and rammed thorugh terrible idea after terrible idea. 'Cause we the best. It's this mindset that has everybody denying, America was already close to the bottom. Now it seems we trying to be the best at being the bottom. And seeing if that floor can go lower.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 5 pts · 242d
It goes all the way back to the founding of the United States. The country itself is built on stolen land and is rotten to the core.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
What is wrong with a bunch of wealthy racist land owners creating a country to benefit themselves?
Everything you learn growing up in the US is propaganda and objectively false. There is so much white washing bleach should be the national drink.
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 159 pts · 243d
Only a truly sick society would allow this
skeezix@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 243d
A society steeped in misinformation and propaganda ultimately embraces fascism
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 243d
Sick from poison, no doubt, but sick nonetheless. I hope there's a cure that opens their eyes some day, but it won't come from a TV screen.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 13 pts · 243d
The cure to misinformation and propaganda is critical thinking and the scientific method
We have the tools. We need the talent.
Bigfish@lemmynsfw.com · 5 pts · 243d
Exercise doesn't cure poison. Using individual tools like critical thinking can help you avoid internalizing the misinformation and propaganda, but it sure doesn't inoculate you from it. We need to cut it out at its source and find ways to ensure it doesn't get replatformed. Otherwise the toxin is there, just waiting for a day when you're not on alert, slowly poisoning your mind.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 7 pts · 243d
There are always going to be people whose honest assessment is just wrong, or very probably wrong. Or its one of those black swan moments and the crazy person is right.
There's no getting rid of uncertainty. Science helps us quantify that and work with it.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 1 pts · 243d
It really isn't, fascists love using "science" and "rationality" to "prove" their ideologies. You can argue that they're not doing real science, but their followers will believe it.
The cure to fascism is anarchism. That is the only effective way to prevent it.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 243d
Last time this happened, the country affected needed electro shock therapy to help them snap out of their delusions.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 243d
It's been allowed under the laws for a long time, it's just like everything else been a polite agreement not to do things like that. The constitution isn't really suited for actors in bad faith in all parts of the government.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 243d
But it's not, simply put if you are not committing a crime you are not required to ID.
Border control is allowed to ask you if you are a US citizen and they have expanded authority at established checkpoints. ICE can only ask you are a citizen. They can request ID, but you have the right to refuse.
Now if they can give probable cause that you are breaking a law then you can be detained and compelled to ID. The current legal standing is that race cannot be used to establish probable cause. Now of course the Supreme Court can over turn that anytime.
But all of this to say this has been the law for decades. ICE and local police departments struggle to understand that you do not have to ID when asked except under specific circumstances. Several departments have escalated to arrests that ultimately get thrown out. You can do a search online and find dozens of examples of cities having to pay a lot of money in settlements over false arrests.
But if you are driving a vehicle you are obliged to produce a driver's license in every state. You can't be pulled over just to have your license checked though, there has to be other cause for the stop.
Know your rights and fight for them before they are taken
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
Which they did on September 8th.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 242d
Source? I'm not doubting you it's just been a hard year to keep up with everything
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
Of course! https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/supreme-courts-decision-racial-profiling-immigration-raids/
Or https://www.npr.org/2025/09/13/nx-s1-5507125/the-supreme-court-clears-the-way-for-ice-agents-to-treat-race-as-grounds-for-immigration-stops
Of course it's a bit more nuanced but there you go.
goldfndr@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 242d
Yes, they're using reasonable suspicion for stops; Kavanaugh Stops due to what he wrote in his concurrence.
They've recently been judged to be using reasonable suspicion for arrests. But I think you might've implied as much.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 243d
It's been sick for as long as I've been alive... Americans often just don't know it.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 148 pts · 243d
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 30 pts · 243d
Ahh. But that was for Germans. Just following orders is a valid excuse for Americans, as the war crimes trials during the vietnam spanking made clear.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 243d
Nothing will happen to them. Nothing happened to the National guard who murdered and stabbed students in 1970.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 242d
Kent state, Blair Mountain, irradiating special needs kids, Greenwood District, forced sterilisation, MOVE....
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 243d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 242d
These people will be protected and suffer no consequences, because the oligarchy in the US knows it will need more thugs who can operate with impunity. This is why Trump released the Jan 6th rioters. National guard literally murdered and stabbed students in multiple instances in 1970 and nothing happened to them. Most got promoted.
nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 242d
You're basically right, and I think we can aspire to better through some well harnessed anger and direct action.
Maybe we should tell people what Direct Action is.
Vupware@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 242d
You know how many Nazis were hung in the Nuremberg trials? Like 10. Everyone else was basically acquitted. You cannot rely on systems of power to punish transgressors.
Geller vid
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 242d
Yeah, we don't need trials we need a fucking purge of fascists. And purges always go so well...
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 241d
and Ex-Nazis continued to meet in clubs in Germany until they died in the 70s-80s, they flocked around Himmler's daughter. There was no remorse, only old age and death stopped them.
retreaux@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 242d
Sadly most Nazis minus a few higher ups went without punishment. Many scientists even ended up working for the US as part of Operation Paperclip. Like the Civil War, the punishment NEVER fits the crime and these assholes mainly get off scot-free with no repercussions. Which always leads to a resurgence at some point.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 242d
My dad tells me a lot of nazis ended up peacefully moving to Newfoundland too
Taleya@aussie.zone · 17 pts · 242d
You lovingly forgave the traitors of the civil war, you gave high research positions to nazis after world war II, the signs are not hopeful
BilboBargains@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 242d
It's actually surprising how they happen to have two million prisoners. Clearly, some people are going to jail.
In other news the justice department commissioned an AI to automate sentencing of convicted felons but had second thoughts when it transpired the robot had become racist after being trained on the judicial records. True story.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 242d
Unless the citizens start showing up to protests armed our corrupt politicians will do nothing as they’ve always done
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
And I hope they get the same treatment as last time.
yakko@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 242d
The Nuremberg trials were in my opinion exceedingly light in their judgments overall - too many Germans were guilty to practically execute or jail them all.
The same degree of lenience in this case would be a travesty.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 242d
I hope so too but I have no faith in the democrats or the current American justice system to make it happen. The only way I see it happening is revolution or war. Otherwise, the federal government will just go on acting like all of this was perfectly normal
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 138 pts · 243d
Uhg. FTA:
None of that is a reason to believe she's not an undocumented immigrant. And being brown, curly-haired, not-a-medical-worker is not any reason to believe they're an undocumented immigrant.
Is this objectionable behavior by ICE? absolutely. But not because of who the victim is. but because there IS a victim. everyone in this country is protected by the constitution, and afforded the rights of due process- which ICE is flagrantly violating the shit out of.
Can we please stop with the special classes of people like this?
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 132 pts · 243d
It is important because of the reason they cite.
By going after this woman, they're making it clear to MAGA folk that allowing the rights of minorities to be eroded also removes their own protection. Even racist assholes should be appalled at the civil rights violations being committed.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 243d
And in making that argument, it signals to the racist assholes that the problem being that she's white, blonde and professional, and therefore the rest are fair game.
which as you say, erodes everyone's rights. But that's not particularly important to me. the rights of all are worth protecting even if that weren't true.
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca · 56 pts · 243d
I think it is about opening the eyes of the racist ICE supporters that in fact they are not safe from what they have initiated. Even if they cannot make the jump to being decent human beings caring about all people, they usually care about what happens to themselves.
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 243d
Yeah and as much as we all hate having to interact with these absolute chuds, the most successful ways of deprogramming people have been through empathetic outreach.
If these MAGA chuds experience the boot of fascism first hand, that might open them up to listening to people from other groups that have had to deal with this kind of treatment for much longer.
It's a slow process, a metric fuck ton of emotional labour, and not everyone is willing to do that work, which is understandable given that you'll be competing against the whole outrage media and "attention economy".
But if enough of us are willing then through genuine human connection, which everyone but a very minute actual clinically psychopathic portion of the population is so desperate for, can get these chuds to open their eyes and grow a little more empathetic.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 243d
They'll just say "some innocents will be inconvenienced." Remember they don't understand until they are hurt personally.
arin@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 243d
Maga folks have been brainless since 2015
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 243d
They were also brainless as Tea Party folks since 2008.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 243d
Maga is just another way of saying conservative and they have been brainless way longer than that.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 242d
If MAGA people were able to understand the subtext of this event, they'd be smart enough not to be MAGA in the first place. You might as well try to explain to a dog why drinking antifreeze is bad.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 243d
Yes, yes, yes! But also, it's particularly notable that she's white and blond with no accent because they claim to their supporters to be protecting those specific people from "illegals." Pointing out that they're not only doing something awful but also defying their own stated principles is always a good thing to do.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 19 pts · 243d
It makes a point of slapping people who truly believe, even now, that all the ICE activity thus far has been against illegals.
Illegal only. For real. They believe that.
A maga relative in landscaping was mystified as to why half his employees had either left or were leaving and weren’t coming back for the next season. In his words: they’re believing all the lies and hype being spewed by the media.
In his mind, even now, ICE is only doing their job: removing people here illegally. Because media can’t be believed and is filled not with lies but terrible twisting of the truth.
So putting a face on this, that looks like MAGA, is about all that’s left to try to get their attention.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 243d
And has your family started the "well she should have just complied" victim blaming?
TheGoldenV@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 243d
Then on with the, “They let her go almost right away.”
“Papers please.”
Zephorah@discuss.online · 2 pts · 242d
Who knows. I’m more likely to hear the complaints in spring, about not being able to find good workers any more. My money is on that one.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 243d
Whoever wrote that doesn’t realize Canadians can also be immigrants.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 243d
No, they are appealing to MAGA folks that are picturing getting rid of all the dark skinned people they don't like.
The people that consider that nuance have already been against the ICE crap, you don't have to convince those. The only people that can be convinced are those that you need to get their racism aside before they'll join you. It's distasteful, but it's a way to grow the voices condemning this behavior.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 243d
I'm surprised Trump has tried to encourage more Aryan immigration. Quebec did this to counter the Muslim immigrant "problem".
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 242d
Some of the only people they're letting in right now are white South Africana
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 243d
They're Pointing out to the racists that they shouldn't be cheering this on, because not even they are safe from this fascist shit. Because you know maga assumes they're safe because of how they look and talk.
zqps@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 243d
We all know what that's code for. I have never been to the US in my life, and yet as a white European I'd be accosted much less than tens of millions of US citizens.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 243d
Imperial boomerang
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 243d
Pretending special classes of people don't exist is just stupidity.
They definitely do exist.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 243d
and they exist, in large part, because articles like this normalize it.
congratulations in defending part of the problem.
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 243d
Hard disagree, those types of stereotypes are established in youth long before the kids start reading articles.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 243d
This complaint is missing the forest for trees.
Special classes of people have existed for as long as civilization has exited. Leaders and followers, kings and peasants, the wealthy and the poor, etc. As animals, it's in the nature of some of us to desire a greater share of resources and luxury at the cost of depriving others from having the same.
An article repeating the notion of people with specific skin tones are part of a privileged class isn't the problem, it's just a symptom of the problem. The problem is the bigots who put that into practice, singling out and causing problems for people with specific tones while providing benefits to those with other specific tones. Getting rid of public acknowledgement about class disparity isn't going to get rid of class disparity, it's just going to get rid of discussion about class disparity. The racists will still be there, being racist.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 243d
that article isn't recognizing class disparity, though. it's perpetuating and normalizing it. and yes, the people that are bigots are absolutely also part of the problem. the media is complicit in that, though, including that article.
Xella@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
You're completely right. All this does is fuel more racism and elitism. Unfortunately it is the reality we currently live in. Many people who are MAGA absolutely believe blonde hair blue eyed white people are true Americans and are safe. Pointing out these facts tells them that they're next and that all of this is wrong. Some people won't realize their mistakes until it happens to them personally. A white woman with blonde hair hits home for many of them and could be a wakeup call.
Again I want to say that I DO NOT agree with bringing up this information. I do not believe it should be relevant at all. It is just unfortunate that this is the reality we are living in and I believe we do need to be the change we want to see by not bringing this information up ourselves.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 242d
Next the came for the white, blonde, citizens.
And people continued to do nothing.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 95 pts · 243d
All ICE agents should be treated with nothing but disdain and ridicule for the rest of their lives. We need a running list of their identities so they can be ostracized. Monuments should be built at Arlington so they can join Robert E. Lee in their shame. Make it a public urinal, right at the entrance.
Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 243d
Name and shame ice agents. Dean Cain.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 243d
Stupidman
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 243d
They should all be hunted down
Vupware@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 242d
And locked in dingy cages to lay in their own piss and shit with no food. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 243d
I think there's a website/database for this already
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 90 pts · 243d
Since when do we have to show our papers to the secret police?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 51 pts · 243d
Since you elected a Fascist dictator in 2024?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 242d
That's the why, not the when. The when is as of Jan. 20th, 2025.
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 243d
If you are white, around 11 months. If you're not white... Well, haha... Funny thing that.. Umm, let me uhh, ya..
AtariDump@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 242d
Surely you can’t be serious.
leclownfou@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 242d
I am, and don't call me Shirley.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 66 pts · 242d
Had to check the date on the article because this is not the first woman in scrubs on her way to work being yanked out of a car while telling ICE that she is a citizen.
We live in a dystopian hell and for some reason we keep acting like it’s all fine.
peetabix@sh.itjust.works · 61 pts · 243d
I hope she sues the fuck out of them.
falseWhite@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 242d
NotSafeForWorld@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 242d
From an outsider looking in, it sounds like more reason to sue or to run to the media. Otherwise, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 242d
Frustratingly, the US media is owned by a small concentration of wealthy people who are being further enriched by Trump's bullshit.
bystander@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 242d
Why the defeatist attitude?
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 242d
Gestures around vaguely
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 241d
Reality? Your President got elected after 34 felony convictions, and you expect ICE to held accountable?
bystander@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 241d
One, I'm Canadian. Two, this thinking will placate the populace into inaction, then it'll be a self fulfilling prophecy.
notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 243d
I hope someone hunts down her assailants one by one, tortures them psychologically, makes them suffer physically and broadcasts it all as a warning to other fascist fuckwits before delivering upon them the fate all Nazis deserve.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d
They won't.
notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 242d
That’s why it’s hope.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 242d
They let her go.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d
InputZero@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
She literally can't, ICE agents are federal agents which means they have civil immunity from lawsuits that are a direct result of their duties. Unless they're doing something that a reasonable person would understand to be a breach of the law. That said the federal courts seem to use Donald Trump's circumstantial definition of a reasonable person and only his. So fat chance there's a legal solution to this.
Colonel_Panic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 242d
I feel very reasonably that warrantless searches and seizures while not in uniform and face coverings and no badges IS A BREACH OF THE LAW!!!!
Not to even mention all the countless people that have been disappeared or deported to God knows where with no information given to their families or anything. Just poof gone. No jury, no trial, no proof they did anything wrong, no positive ID they are even who they are. None of it.
Please explain how any of that could possibly be legal and how any reasonable person wouldn't consider it evil and terrible and utterly terrifying and dystopian?
How is everyone NOT upset at how awful this all is?
jupiter_jazz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 241d
Half of the united states watches fox news and doesn't know, doesn't care. I'd wager a good chunk of the left over doesn't see this stuff due to whatever algorithm Valium they are subscribed to. And the leftover from that is people on Lemmy or reddit seeing this daily. Does it breech something? It would look like it to me, but if there was a lawsuit, not sure how well that goes since the supreme court kneel as well. Prob better off with a celebrity in a different country to bring light to it.
InputZero@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d
It's legal because the people who decide on what is and isn't legal decided it's legal. That's it. There is no moral high ground, no social norm to defend this from. It's morally wrong but the law isn't about morality, it's about power. Maybe the law should be more moral and less powerful but we don't live in that world yet.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 241d
American voters: we're all trying to find the guy responsible!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 241d
then they would be put on trial, then pardoned by Trump.
Vijfsnippervijf@feddit.nl · 54 pts · 242d
These ICE agents deserve the worst possible sentence. Especially as they caused many forced disappearances, which are crimes against humanity.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 42 pts · 242d
The first one is why the second one happened.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 242d
Prison sentences for ICE agents who participate. There is no excuse.
Furbag@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 241d
Prison would be too good for these jackboot thugs.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
khaleer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 241d
Of course there is! Favoured by many!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 241d
Sure...Sure...
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 243d
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 243d
Jail. For all these ICE assholes and everyone above them.
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 243d
It's just too bad there wasn't one of those responsible gun owners around to prevent terrorists from kidnapping a civilian. Speaking of, where are all of these gun toting Americans that believe they have them to defend America? Fucking cowards.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 4 pts · 243d
Be the change you want to see in the world
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
I am not a gun owner. I've never tried to senselessly defend them by claiming they're for protection. I just want the hypocrites to stop being hypocrites and to point out how fake the initial argument was in the first place.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 2 pts · 242d
Those who had the guns agree with the kind of oppression they are seeing. It's not really hypocrisy.
yannic@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 242d
Surely Florida residents are all aware that the entire state is within the 100-mile freedom exclusion zone.
aeiou_ckr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
I have never heard of this and with the average IQ of a Floridian I wouldn’t think they are in the know either.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 241d
Bonus fun fact, they’ve also included all international airports as “borders” so CBP can run around pretty much everywhere with their bullshit.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 242d
When the ICE is dismantled, nobody with excellent salaries and benefits should hire those shitbags.
DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 242d
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
How about no doctor treat them.
the5thColumnist@mstdn.ca · 8 pts · 242d
@Redditsux
Yes it's full on fascism now, fuck even a few MAGA types are starting to notice, another 10 years and the people will decide it is time to rise up.
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 243d
obvious fedpost, but we need a socialist revolution here in the us. seriously!
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 242d
If she was American, she could afford real clothes instead of those cheap paper ones. Stands to reason.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 241d
Scrubs are not paper.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d
Depends, it's true that they usually aren't nowadays. But then it ruins the joke.
ChonkyLincoln@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 242d
These fools are fucking around and about to find out.
Their force will be met with greater force.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 8 pts · 242d
It's more likely that you get healthcare
DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 242d
victorz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d
Side note, why is she bringing her scrubs outside the hospital? Don't you return them after your shift in America, to be washed and such?
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 242d
No people own and wash their own scrubs. Healthcare is for shareholder profits in America.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 242d
I'm wearing scrubs at work right now which I'm solely responsible for keeping & washing at home regularly.
victorz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
You have a noble profession, IMO. 🩵
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Cocaine nasal insufflation?
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Did you mean to reply to me?
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Yeah I was just making a dumb joke because we don’t know wise their profession is.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
What are you assuming is my profession?
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Something something hospital. Would you like to share?
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
I'm a massage therapist 😄
The preceding conversation taught me that scrub-wearing people who work in hospitals don't wear their scrubs outside the facility & don't have to wash them themselves, they leave their scrubs at work and there's a separate crew responsible for scrubs laundry.
My life is not like that.
The worst filth my scrubs ever encounter are my own body sweat & occasional massage lotion mishaps.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Hey, massage therapy is good for well-being, too. 🩵 Maybe not as "noble" per se but it's a good service for those that afford it. 😁✌️
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 242d
Do you mean why did ICE abduct her from work inside the hospital and drag her outside kicking & screaming without giving her a chance to change her clothes?
victorz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d
No.
But if that's what happened, I have the answer to my question.
I'm also wondering why ICE abducted her period, not really specifically from where. 👍 But like I said, this was a side note.
presoak@lazysoci.al · 0 pts · 242d
Sign this paper saying you won't talk about this and we'll let you go.
According to the secret stuff law, if you talk about this we'll arrest you again.
Pick one.
Psychonaut1969@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 242d
Depends on where you work. They provide them at my hospital, but I still wear a privately owned pair when traveling between home and work.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
Why do you wear your own scrubs to and from work?
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
Also curious.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 242d
Maybe because they are comfortable?
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Maybe? Maybe because Satan’s cock is lodged in your anus?
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 242d
Satan is a bottom, it's actually Poseidons cock.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Can’t touch the bottom, in too deep.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 242d
yannic@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 242d
These are likely not the drab, standard, facility-provided surgical or operating scrubs that even the I.T. staff has to change in to (or don over top) before crossing the red line into a clean zone, 'red' room or room with isolation precautions. These are the other personally-supplied garments staff wear to look professional in a medical setting. These are the same ones that are sometimes replaced with T-shirts and such on casual friday or department-coordinated Hallowe'en costumes on October 31.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
Ah okay, that makes sense. Thank you.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d
Eh_I@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
It's written on the detergent bottle.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 242d
No, US hospitals let nurses carry in bacteria and carry out bacteria into the community.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d
That's the first thing that came to mind, like, wouldn't you want to contain that mess? Wash instantly?
Minimac@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 243d
Omg it so horrible 🤦🏻♂️
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
My conspiracy theory is that ICE is disappearing kids and women into the new island that Trump is setting up for Maxwell when he pardons her
centipede_powder@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d
Thank you for voting for this, Republicans. We are glad that you and so many are showing your true colors. It'll be glorious to see that color be washed away with your blood after the guillotine's blade falls.
For you, as we eagerly await the real blade:
Cargon@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 243d
MAGA (R)etards were holding the skin color chart upside down.
bearboiblake@pawb.social · 3 pts · 243d
With this casual ableism you'd fit right in with MAGA.
Cargon@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 243d
Having trouble parsing what you're saying here. Are you saying MAGAs aren't (R)etarded?
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d
No, they're saying the r-word is an abelist slur and you shouldn't be using it.
Cargon@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 242d
A slur against who? MAGA? Why would you care about them?
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
OMG how am I having to explain this to someone in 2025? The r-word is a slur against people with disabilities. Most of us realized like a decade ago that it's not cool to use that word.
Cargon@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 242d
Huh? Just because someone has a disability doesn't make them a MAGA. That seems way more offensive.
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
Oh, you're doing a bit. I didn't realize at first. Perhaps because it's not a very good one.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · -25 pts · 243d
So was she a US citizen? They let her go. Is screaming that I'm a US citizen sufficient to avoid ice detention?
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 243d
Police don't have the right to pull people over, ask them to exit their vehicle, cuff them, or put them in the back of a vehicle (detain them) without a reason. Stopping someone without reason is harassment, the rest is assault/battery (depending on location)/kidnapping without providing the reason. If they give you a reason they can detain you, but if that reason does not follow the laws or is determined to be unreasonable by a judge the body making the arrest is supposed to be held responsible and penalized, possibly making them open to a lawsuit. Aka she should sue them, and taxpayers should be pissed we are having to pay for this
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · -13 pts · 243d
You must not live in the US or you are very sheltered if so. That is not at all how things go down here. Police and ice do this sort of thing all the time. With no consequence. Screaming doesn't usually stop the harassment.
Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 243d
Yes, they do break the law all the time.
But they are not supposed to do that. You must not know your rights as a US Citizen.
Also they ran her ID and determined that wow by gum she is a us citizen and then let her go.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 242d
Rights are only as good as the justice system. The US has been ignoring the rights of citizens and committing human rights atrocities. Not every US citizen confronted by the police is as lucky as her. If you think that your boot licking is going to protect you it's a foolish delusion.
Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 241d
Boot licking? Go fuck your fucking self. I hate police more than probably anyone you know.
But you said that "screaming doesn't usually get them to let you go" and I explained that yes, they are bastard pigs that break the law all the time and are abusive.
You implied they let her go BECAUSE she screamed which wasn't correct. They let her go because they ran her shit and realized they fucked up.
But they're not supposed to break the law like that. Which is true. Pointing out that they are breaking the law when they do that is the opposite of bootlicking. Shove your fist up your ass, bitch. And try to develop some reading comprehension skills.
skeezix@lemmy.world · -46 pts · 243d
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 47 pts · 243d
She yelled no such thing. From the article about it in the Miami Herald, she wouldn't recognize the ICE agents as legit.
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 243d
No shit, i wouldnt either....law enforcement will give you name and badge number when asked and dont wear masks.
Devadander@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 243d
Why are you lying?
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 243d
Why you gotta be shitty like this?
blackbearjesus27@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 243d
Please don’t make her part of the shitty conspiracy
not_that_guy05@lemmy.world · -71 pts · 243d
"why is this happening" don't know lady, maybe because fascist are in power right now? I wonder if this is what she voted for? Hhhmmmm.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 94 pts · 243d
The important thing is you found a way to condescend to a woman being rounded up by the secret police while implying it’s her own fault 👍
not_that_guy05@lemmy.world · -58 pts · 243d
Lol you think this is because she's a woman? I'm not saying it's her own fault. I'm saying I wonder if she voted for this and thought she would come out winning.
NeilBru@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 243d
The way that you comment makes it look like "wondering" who she voted for and being a white lady equates to her being Trump supporter.
Is she, in fact, a Trump voter and supporter?
not_that_guy05@lemmy.world · -38 pts · 243d
First it's Florida and second "this is unfair", why would she word it like that? Like is it fair for everybody else to be dragged to who knows where?
Me wondering if she voted for this is bad? "I'm curious if she voted for this? Hhhhmmm?" Is that better?
I didn't imply she did but I
wonderam curious if she did since you know... Florida.BassTurd@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 243d
The fact that you so prominently brought up the notion that she may have voted for the actions brought upon her implies that you believe she did and this is leopards eating faces. Even if unintentional, that's how it reads in the first place. Your response is doubling down on that and digs you a deeper hole. It sounds an awful lot like baseless victim blaming.
NeilBru@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 243d
Do you believe everyone in Florida is a conservative Trump voter?
Is it fair for her?
nocturne@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 243d
The number of nurses that are maga supporters is too damn high.
not_that_guy05@lemmy.world · -15 pts · 243d
No I'm just saying that this is what hateful racist voted for and now we got this happening. Black folks and white folks thought they were safe, but here we are repeating the same tactics as other fascist and dictators. Keep them scared and in line and make an example for everybody to see.
Plus didn't he just declare nurses as a none professions?
metallic_substance@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 243d
This is a wild and ridiculous take for more than one reason. It's astonishing that you managed to pack so much ignorance into two sentences.