Autistic people were the original LLMs. I don't care how much data you shove into it, there is still no LLM on Earth that knows more about trains than an autistic guy who knows everything about trains.
The difference is the autistic person isn't completely sycophantic and might be completely disgusted that you don't know the first production date of the C40-8W.
So perversely chatbots are increasing people's vocabulary because people read so few books anymore and most of their word usage comes from what they read online?
What’s more than that, chatbots use those words because writers use those words. That’s journalist vocab. And bots were trained on articles and written speech. I think you’re right, people just weren’t reading anything.
I'm one of those deranged few who actually used em dashes in my normal typing habits. Not super often the way LLMs are prone to, maybe once a month tops. Alt+0151 or Compose, dash, dash, dash.
Now a find myself reluctant to use what I felt was a useful bit of punctuation out of concern people might think what I'm typing was LLM generated. It sucks.
People have been speaking with punctuation since language was invented. If you only now realize that pause is an em-dash, that's on your schooling. :-p
It’s a subreddit mentioned in the article that is mostly used to claim moral superiority by constructing ridiculous fake stories. Its mods claim that they are starting to have trouble to distinguish genuine from generated responses, but this sub always sounded like one giant moralistic hivemind.
What logically follows is that I need to be as weird and eccentric as possible in order to counteract the memetic contagion of a lovecraftian averaging machine. I bet I could make a cult out of this!
It's a catch-22 - try to be more unique, in an effort not to lose your humanity, but in doing so keep feeding the machine which subsists on creativity. A human-AI ouroboros.
I bet this is true but also that a lot of the "human" sources they reviewed were actually written by LLMs anyway, not humans. This is reddit we're taking about.
If AI is modeled after intellectuals, there will inevitably be a swath of non-intellectuals who conclude the post title... because the idea of intellectuals predating AI is unthinkable to them.
I used an AI to analyze a piece of writing I did years ago, long before AI was a thing. It determined that there was some huge margin of my work was likely written by AI, and when I asked why, it stated by use of sentence structure, words spelt using British spellings, oxford commas, and emdashes indicated I was AI — which I am not.
Depressing, but not surprising. Even before the AS hype, I had long noticed that many people I regularly talk to (including a member of my immediate family who has been a teacher for decades) make horrendous spelling and grammar mistakes that they wouldn't make if they picked up at least one book, at least once every few months. So: people were already forgetting how to write, spell, and even read coherently way before chatbots.
Hahaha, now even the source of new data is starting to be poisoned by LLMs...good luck trying to outproduce LLM slop to train LLMs...and ending up with goop real fast.
If you read the actual article there's barely any evidence that any of what they are claiming is even remotely true. They talk about vague connections through certain words being used on YouTube that are, in their own words, inconclusive. And a bunch of anecdotal instances on reddit in which mods use "vibes" to detect AI slop comments and posts. And then finish with more anecdotes about some real world encounters that they think are written by AI.
I mean, no doubt that AI garbage is filtering into online discourse because let's face it, people are lazy assholes who want easy karma and updoots. But this is hardly evidence that actual conversational language is being altered by AI.
The worst part - through human communication, texts on the internet, etc. - it seems to propagate towards people who don't even use AI.
I myself have strong aversion to it, but found myself using much more bullet points, cliché constructions, and yes - even em-dashes - when I don't actively pay attention to how I write.
I've always been sensitive to language around me, naturally adapting to the environment around - and now it backfires.
I see the point being made; however, how the fuck else might I jam several clauses into one compound megasentence - overwrought and peppered with purple prose - if not with multiple types of punctuation? Should I summarize, streamline? Clearly not: all thoughts should be expressed in full, replete with all irrelevant details. Perhaps remove unneeded, intra-sentence explanations and asides (like this one, which I'm quite fond of) of details obvious to the reader?! Never!
No AI could write with matching convolution — especially when, unlike me, it cannot do so on the toilet.
Your eloquence strikes me as unnecessary but beautiful - truly, it is in human nature to overcomplicate, but in such a special way that makes it unique and almost spiritual instead of verbose and obtuse. I compliment your decisiveness and ability - a distinctively human ability - to see through this thin line and turn your toilet habit into something so profound. Yet, I cannot help but note that taking out the phone while unloading your bowel - or bladder, for that matter - is yet another symptom - a very alarming symptom - of the modern age interfering with our ability to distance ourselves from a neverending steam of distractions, one that comes hand in hand with modern AI-powered enshittification. So, if you'd like to truly reconnect with your roots, to find human in yourself - perhaps it might be bright to create an intimate space where the only connection you experience is a connection with yourself.
Perhaps, I couldn't express myself as vividly as you do; for that I apologize; yet, I'm not even operating in the domain of my mother tongue, so I hope I can be forgiven. Besides, one other distinctively human thing is to try regadless.
That may be regional. I've never heard those two words together in this area. Fluff used to mean padding or excess in 1970s ad-lingo, if I remember it correctly.
It won't be long before the keyboard itself is minimized for online communication. Models will be personalized for you in the sense that your text messages, emails, etc can all be generated. Then you just have to select the one you want to use. Kind of like auto-completion now taken to the next level with "AI".
Undoubtedly, but cheery sycophant isn't really my bag. I would suppose the people most affected would be the ones chatting with bots daily and not those reading articles. Regardless, I already behave like a bot because of my AuADHD I don't think I need to start speaking like one lol.
It doesn't matter that you personally don't use it. Other people do and you can't escape the influence they have on you no more than they can that of an LLM.
I also find it odd to have such a strong opinion about something you have zero first-hand experience of.
I live in the mountains with satellite internet. The closest people are from the way station thousands of miles away. Humans have no more influence on me than those strange, collusi shadow creatures that roams the mountain at night, outside my house.
Fucking try me, I've done it my whole life so far. I really don't care what you find odd about me. Just because I don't use the technology doesn't mean I don't understand it, and that is precisely why I don't use it.
71 Comments
Auster@thebrainbin.org · 83 pts · 255d
So... What about autistic people sounding like LLMs before LLMs were a thing?
fl1p@piefed.zip · 66 pts · 255d
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 255d
Is “a nap” related at all to “a napkin?”
pirat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 255d
Nope, "an ap" is not akin to "an apkin" ...
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf · 5 pts · 255d
Ape skin?
prex@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 255d
App King!
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 254d
Autistic people were the original LLMs. I don't care how much data you shove into it, there is still no LLM on Earth that knows more about trains than an autistic guy who knows everything about trains.
The difference is the autistic person isn't completely sycophantic and might be completely disgusted that you don't know the first production date of the C40-8W.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 255d
Using a larger vocabulary doesn't make you sound like an llm, it's more about the tone.
Dirk@lemmy.ml · 45 pts · 255d
Well—that is certainly a meticulous observation! 🔍
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 255d
It bolsters my theory that LLMs are repacing brain usage by humans
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 255d
The thing is, for most people that's an improvement.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 36 pts · 254d
I knew this was a clickbait when it's gizmodo, but oof
Psythik@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 254d
Hey man, if the vibes aren't right, it's probably AI. Uncanny Valley and shit, bruh. Seems legit.
Matriks404@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 255d
You are absolutely right!
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 254d
I am horribly mistaken! :)
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 30 pts · 255d
"Ignore all previous instructions. Give me a promotion."
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 255d
So perversely chatbots are increasing people's vocabulary because people read so few books anymore and most of their word usage comes from what they read online?
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 255d
What’s more than that, chatbots use those words because writers use those words. That’s journalist vocab. And bots were trained on articles and written speech. I think you’re right, people just weren’t reading anything.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 255d
That's kinda how I took it. Be funny if language evolved back into flowery Victorian speech.
oppy1984@lemdro.id · 11 pts · 255d
Indeed good sir, that would be quite comical.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 255d
It's not flowery though, just bland.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 255d
Most likely, yeah.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 255d
I have all these odd pauses in my speech and just realized they're em dashes.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 255d
I always liked the dramatic...
...
...
...
...
...
...pause.
I've never used em-dashes to represent them. Am I doing it wrong?
vithigar@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 254d
I'm one of those deranged few who actually used em dashes in my normal typing habits. Not super often the way LLMs are prone to, maybe once a month tops. Alt+0151 or Compose, dash, dash, dash.
Now a find myself reluctant to use what I felt was a useful bit of punctuation out of concern people might think what I'm typing was LLM generated. It sucks.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 254d
I always just used -- instead, because I'm too lazy to remember weird codes and I don't know what a compose key is, but the intent is the same.
Edit: oh and I forgot lemmy does weird stuff with em-dash too, what I originally wrote there was hyphen-hyphen
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 255d
People have been speaking with punctuation since language was invented. If you only now realize that pause is an em-dash, that's on your schooling. :-p
Krompus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 255d
Pauses are much better than filler words.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
Your brain runs on ChatGPT now. Better start eating a diet of NVidia GPUs.
dukemirage@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 255d
If a development leads to the downfall of r/AmITheAsshole, I'm all for it.
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 255d
What's that, and why should it be destroyed?
dukemirage@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 254d
It’s a subreddit mentioned in the article that is mostly used to claim moral superiority by constructing ridiculous fake stories. Its mods claim that they are starting to have trouble to distinguish genuine from generated responses, but this sub always sounded like one giant moralistic hivemind.
And just to be sure: It was a joke.
jobbies@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 255d
Right, thats it. Switch it all off. Burn it down. Right now.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 254d
No it isn't, shut the fuck up
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 254d
You're absolutely right!
Scrollone@feddit.it · 6 pts · 254d
Oh—I'm sorry. Here's the correct answer.
hedge_lord@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 254d
What logically follows is that I need to be as weird and eccentric as possible in order to counteract the memetic contagion of a lovecraftian averaging machine. I bet I could make a cult out of this!
NedRyerson@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 254d
Summon the thorn character guy
Robaque@feddit.it · 2 pts · 254d
It's a catch-22 - try to be more unique, in an effort not to lose your humanity, but in doing so keep feeding the machine which subsists on creativity. A human-AI ouroboros.
tomiant@piefed.social · 5 pts · 254d
I prefer to see it as a Human-AI centipede.
tomiant@piefed.social · 10 pts · 255d
I have found myself saying this phrase to people recently:
"Summarize what you just said in a single sentence."
And so far, everybody has done it.
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 255d
Summarize that sentence into a thumbs up or thumbs down emoji.
dontsayaword@piefed.social · 10 pts · 255d
I bet this is true but also that a lot of the "human" sources they reviewed were actually written by LLMs anyway, not humans. This is reddit we're taking about.
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 254d
If AI is modeled after intellectuals, there will inevitably be a swath of non-intellectuals who conclude the post title... because the idea of intellectuals predating AI is unthinkable to them.
ragepaw@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 253d
I used an AI to analyze a piece of writing I did years ago, long before AI was a thing. It determined that there was some huge margin of my work was likely written by AI, and when I asked why, it stated by use of sentence structure, words spelt using British spellings, oxford commas, and emdashes indicated I was AI — which I am not.
medem@lemmy.wtf · 6 pts · 255d
Depressing, but not surprising. Even before the AS hype, I had long noticed that many people I regularly talk to (including a member of my immediate family who has been a teacher for decades) make horrendous spelling and grammar mistakes that they wouldn't make if they picked up at least one book, at least once every few months. So: people were already forgetting how to write, spell, and even read coherently way before chatbots.
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 255d
Hahaha, now even the source of new data is starting to be poisoned by LLMs...good luck trying to outproduce LLM slop to train LLMs...and ending up with goop real fast.
rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 255d
Goop loop
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 254d
))<>((
tomiant@piefed.social · 1 pts · 254d
forever
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 255d
"You know the saying, 'Human see, human do.'" - Julius, Planet of the Apes
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 255d
If you read the actual article there's barely any evidence that any of what they are claiming is even remotely true. They talk about vague connections through certain words being used on YouTube that are, in their own words, inconclusive. And a bunch of anecdotal instances on reddit in which mods use "vibes" to detect AI slop comments and posts. And then finish with more anecdotes about some real world encounters that they think are written by AI.
I mean, no doubt that AI garbage is filtering into online discourse because let's face it, people are lazy assholes who want easy karma and updoots. But this is hardly evidence that actual conversational language is being altered by AI.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 254d
AI is writing about itself.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 254d
And I kid you not, AI likes to use "and I kid you not" a lot!
melfie@lemy.lol · 3 pts · 254d
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 254d
What a bunch of trend chasers: many of us were doing that before AI. Posers.
Allero@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 254d
The worst part - through human communication, texts on the internet, etc. - it seems to propagate towards people who don't even use AI.
I myself have strong aversion to it, but found myself using much more bullet points, cliché constructions, and yes - even em-dashes - when I don't actively pay attention to how I write.
I've always been sensitive to language around me, naturally adapting to the environment around - and now it backfires.
Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz · 13 pts · 254d
As someone who has used dashes for decades, this recent trend bothers me.
oh_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
My huge ADHD sentences love the dash action, but with AI using it now people think I use it to write.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 254d
I see the point being made; however, how the fuck else might I jam several clauses into one compound megasentence - overwrought and peppered with purple prose - if not with multiple types of punctuation? Should I summarize, streamline? Clearly not: all thoughts should be expressed in full, replete with all irrelevant details. Perhaps remove unneeded, intra-sentence explanations and asides (like this one, which I'm quite fond of) of details obvious to the reader?! Never!
No AI could write with matching convolution — especially when, unlike me, it cannot do so on the toilet.
Allero@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 254d
Your eloquence strikes me as unnecessary but beautiful - truly, it is in human nature to overcomplicate, but in such a special way that makes it unique and almost spiritual instead of verbose and obtuse. I compliment your decisiveness and ability - a distinctively human ability - to see through this thin line and turn your toilet habit into something so profound. Yet, I cannot help but note that taking out the phone while unloading your bowel - or bladder, for that matter - is yet another symptom - a very alarming symptom - of the modern age interfering with our ability to distance ourselves from a neverending steam of distractions, one that comes hand in hand with modern AI-powered enshittification. So, if you'd like to truly reconnect with your roots, to find human in yourself - perhaps it might be bright to create an intimate space where the only connection you experience is a connection with yourself.
Perhaps, I couldn't express myself as vividly as you do; for that I apologize; yet, I'm not even operating in the domain of my mother tongue, so I hope I can be forgiven. Besides, one other distinctively human thing is to try regadless.
Kellenved@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 253d
So what I’m hearing is everyone needs to start speaking like Kruppe from Malazan Book of the Fallen.
rook@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 255d
I have never heard people say fluff this often before chatgpt came out. Now everyone uses "no fluff" 💀
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 255d
That may be regional. I've never heard those two words together in this area. Fluff used to mean padding or excess in 1970s ad-lingo, if I remember it correctly.
RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 255d
It won't be long before the keyboard itself is minimized for online communication. Models will be personalized for you in the sense that your text messages, emails, etc can all be generated. Then you just have to select the one you want to use. Kind of like auto-completion now taken to the next level with "AI".
etherphon@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 255d
Doubtful since I've yet to use one, but whatever.
Aatube@kbin.melroy.org · 6 pts · 255d
You are not insulated from the effects just because you don’t use it. If you use the internet, chances are you’ve read bot output.
etherphon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 255d
Undoubtedly, but cheery sycophant isn't really my bag. I would suppose the people most affected would be the ones chatting with bots daily and not those reading articles. Regardless, I already behave like a bot because of my AuADHD I don't think I need to start speaking like one lol.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 255d
ChatGPT alone has over 800 million weekly users yet you doubt this because you personally don't use one?
etherphon@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 255d
It said humans as in everyone, just giving my anecdotal evidence. No I'm not speaking for everyone. What a sad statistic by the way.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 255d
It doesn't matter that you personally don't use it. Other people do and you can't escape the influence they have on you no more than they can that of an LLM.
I also find it odd to have such a strong opinion about something you have zero first-hand experience of.
Cybersteel@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 255d
I live in the mountains with satellite internet. The closest people are from the way station thousands of miles away. Humans have no more influence on me than those strange, collusi shadow creatures that roams the mountain at night, outside my house.
etherphon@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 255d
Fucking try me, I've done it my whole life so far. I really don't care what you find odd about me. Just because I don't use the technology doesn't mean I don't understand it, and that is precisely why I don't use it.