Fun with live news threads, headline has changed at least 4 times now...
Bondi (Australia) shooting death toll rises to 16, including a child, after gunmen targeted Jewish festival
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ckgk391yzm7t
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ckgk391yzm7t
Fun with live news threads, headline has changed at least 4 times now...
84 Comments
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 232d
I’m heartened to see a Muslim man was a hero and wrestled a gun from one of these shitheads. I hope the one that survived the attack lives to face justice for his crimes.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 232d
Did they at least kick the shit out of him after disarming him?
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 232d
Unfortunately no. The hero points the shotgun at the murderer but it appears he either didn’t know how to use it or wasn’t prepared to shoot someone. The murderer then runs over to his accomplice and picked up another gun. The video is on the publicfreakout subreddit if you want to see it.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 232d
Here in not-america we generally don't kill people who are not an imminent threat, like someone who has been disarmed.
I've seen the video of the guy being disarmed and moving away towards the bridge, but not the part where he re-armed himself.
Even if, in this particular case, the perp did rearm and injured more people, our hesitance to shoot someone who is not an imminent threat has no doubt prevented the deaths of many thousands of people over the years.
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 231d
America mention 🎉🎉🎉
(i think maybe you have unresolved issues you should work on)
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 231d
Mate, everyone has unresolved issues they should work on.
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 231d
It's a BBC article posted about Australia posted in worldnews, you don't need to bring America up. Bring on the downvotes, losers.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 229d
There's some context here you might be missing.
There's a third option that would be lost on Americans but obvious to everyone else: seeing that the attacker was no longer an imminent threat, the guy chose not to execute him.
The comment I replied to has a very American perspective, and its obvious to everyone who is not American.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · -29 pts · 232d
Nothing in that article says this guy is muslim, you're spreading misinformation about this man
kandoh@reddthat.com · 25 pts · 232d
Sure, his name being Ahmed al Ahmed isn't a guarantee he is Muslim, but it's a very very very very very very very very very very very very high indicator
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 232d
It's really not, he's Lebanese. The majority of Lebanese people, especially in diaspora are Christian. Assuming this guy's religion because of his is literally just racism.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 232d
A 2012 study conducted by Statistics Lebanon, a Beirut-based research firm, estimated Lebanon's population to be 54% Muslim (27% Shia; 27% Sunni), 46% Christian (31.5% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 6.5% other Christian groups) [11]
According to a 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, the demographic landscape of Lebanon reveals a Christian population estimated at 27.9%, with Muslims constituting the majority at 67.8%. This data underscores the religious diversity within Lebanon, reflecting a dynamic interplay of different faith communities within the country.[13
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 231d
That's the country of Lebanon, not the diaspora. Like I said, the country is 50/50 between muslims and Christians, but the diaspora is heavily Christian.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 232d
Your reading comprehension is nonexistent. Lebanon the country has around 4 million and is half Christian, half muslim. However, the Christian diaspora is 14 million and the vast majority are Christians.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 232d
Last I checked less than half =/= majority. The fact that you’re correct about the diaspora is immaterial. I simply provided data that shows you’re wrong, and ironically, the one spreading misinformation.
Picking up two L’s in this thread must be rough for your ego, sorry bud. Nice ad hominem though
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 232d
Tbf he did say "diaspora" meaning he's talking about Lebanese that have moved (or dispersed) abroad, and he's saying those who moved are mostly christian.
I can't back up his claims (because honestly idgaf about your internet argument and am not going to look into it at all), but the "54% Muslim..." seemed to say that was in Lebanon, not all those who have migrated elsewhere, so it's possible you're both right.
(Though also I've seen articles saying he is Muslim so unless those are wrong this is all a moot point anyway.)
wewbull@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 231d
It doesn't matter. The original accusation was "You're assuming he's Muslim because of his name". At best it would be a toss up with him being Muslim or Christian.
The assumption was made, and people showed it was an invalid assumption.
ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 232d
What a weird little internet slapfight I’ve walked into.
This is not a first name that is common among Christians here. I think adopting mainly Muslim names among Christians is common in some parts of Africa? It’s also possible that you wouldn’t be familiar enough with Arabic names to distinguish between explicitly Muslim names and secular / nonsectarian religious names (and Christian ones, we have a lot of those).
Ahmad is a 1,000,000% Muslim name. I think this is common knowledge in most places around the world since this is an extremely popular name almost exclusively used by Muslims.
This would be like arguing that a guy named Jesús could be from any religious community. Technically that’s true, but - Jesús. Really? Is an argument worth it?
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 231d
I'm literally Arab lol
In the countries like Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, it's not uncommon for Christians in to have islamic names. For example in Southern Lebanon you'll find a lot Christian people with names like Ali, Umar, or Yusuf even though these are common islamic names.
ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 231d
Cool, me too
I’m literally a Lebanese Christian from the South. Well half of my family is from there. I have an extremely Arabic first name, and last name for that matter. Is that enough?
These are stunning examples. Youssef is Joseph, so that’s a Christian name first to me (if I want to be that guy, I don’t.). But the other two are very explicitly coded to a single sect. Ali is not even used by half of the Muslim population, Omar is also not used by the other half. You’ve picked the probably single most uniquely Shia and Sunni names respectively. Maybe it’s different where you live, maybe there are no explicitly Sunni or Shia names around you. But no Christian bears a name like that anywhere in the country.
This is like reading a headline about a Portuguese guy named Jesús Espírito Santo and going ballistic over him not being explicitly mentioned as Christian. It’s fine. Our hero today is almost certainly a Muslim, and even if he isn’t, I’m glad he did what he did and has been a good representative for the Lebanese community around the world regardless
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 232d
No I’m not. Not my job to look up other sources for you, but here you go.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 232d
Once again, this article doesn't show any evidence that this man is muslim. The headline is misleading and not supported at all in this article.
I feel like people like you are quickly making up assumptions about this man based solely on his name and using that assumption to push narratives. This man is a hero, no doubt, but I haven't seen any actual evidence of his religious beliefs in any local or major media outlet.
TheMetaleek@sh.itjust.works · -8 pts · 232d
I don't know why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely right. A quick google search contained no information about his religion
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 17 pts · 232d
Well, the linked article is literally titled "Bondi Beach hero revealed as Muslim fruit seller Ahmed al Ahmed", so maybe that's why? Just a wild guess.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 232d
That's just the title moron, if you bothered to read through the 3 paragraph article, you'll quickly see that there's NOTHING in the article that even hints at this man's religious beliefs. The headline is just there for click bait and you fell for it
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 232d
You seem like a very pleasant individual.
crapwittyname@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 232d
The title is part of the report, moron. There are no special rules that mean you can lie in the title, moron. There are no special rules that mean you have to expand on every detail in the title or else it's not true, moron.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 232d
Multiple outlets are reporting he’s a Muslim man. I’d imagine others are not as his religion isn’t exactly relevant to his being a hero.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 232d
They're not reporting it because there's no evidence regarding this man's religious beliefs. You just went out of your way to find a couple of clickbait headlines without even bothering to read them to spread narratives. You're a part of the problem.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 232d
Kindly get off your high horse.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-ahmed-al-ahmed-bondi-beach-hero-disarms-shotgun-wielding-terroristhes-brave-muslim-1762911
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 232d
Media literacy is dead. People on here are willing to believe clickbait headlines and misinformation if it pushes a narrative they subscribe to.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 232d
It's because the 'people' you are talking are either propagandists or bots.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 232d
lol yes I made this account years ago in preparation for an argument as stupid as this. You sound ridiculous.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 231d
the interview with him includes him praising Allah.
dude is Muslim. the only asshole making it a bad thing is you.
Visstix@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 232d
Israel instantly blaming it on australia. Wonder if israel is involved.
"the blood of the murdered is on the hands of the Australian government, which announced recognition of a 'Palestinian' state and gave legitimacy to terrorism against Jews."
Israel is the nr1 cause of antisemitism around the world. But sure play the victim again. They also knew of the october 7th attacks and used it as an excuse to wipe out a country. So sorry if I am a little suspicious. They probably aren't directly involved but are definitely the cause.
falseWhite@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 232d
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 232d
I think it’s more people don’t like the implication without any evidence that Israel is involved beyond fostering the conditions that have fanned the flames of global antisemitism.
SereneSadie@quokk.au · 15 pts · 232d
shady09@eviltoast.org · -7 pts · 232d
Ahh there is that Antisemitism
Visstix@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 232d
I posted an unfounded comment in an untimely manner. It's about the victims and I turned it political. I just posted it on an impulse.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 232d
If there's a way to handle things incorrectly, Israel will find it.
Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works · -40 pts · 232d
Over 10 people were just murdered. Let's go flame on Israel a bit because why the fuck not? Fucking idiot.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 232d
You're right.
These two should have conducted their murders in a civilized way, like bombing people as they lay helpless in a hospital bed, or standing in line for food at a designated aid site.
Or, by blockading shipments of food so they just starve to death.
That's the civilized, Israeli way to do murder.
Krono@lemmy.today · 22 pts · 232d
Israel is committing a genocide, and they claim to do it in the name of all Jews.
I have no idea what actually motivated these deplorable mass murderers in Australia, but the possible connection to Israel is an obvious hypothesis. Discounting this hypothesis without evidence only shows your bias.
Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works · -11 pts · 232d
Take a good look at the comment above mine. Now read my comment again. Who discounted what?
Krono@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 232d
I've reread it and I've come to the same conclusion: You are discounting the hypothesis that this mass murder was triggered by Israel's ongoing genocide.
Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works · -11 pts · 232d
A mass murder of innocent Australians at the beach, on the other side of the globe. All because Israel is annihilating a terrorist organization that invaded their borders two years ago in order to rape and murder hundreds of civilians.
Yeah... Fuck those guys.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 232d
If Israel were only targeting a terrorist org, nobody would have a problem.
Kids aren't terrorists.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
“This is not a normal war. The war in Ukraine has killed 500 kids in two years and the war in Gaza has killed over 10,000 in less than five months. We have seen wars before but this is something that is a dark stain on our shared humanity.”
Ninjasftw@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 232d
A terrorist organisation and every other living thing in the area. So noble....
alphabethunter@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 232d
Oh, you're for real an Israel apologist. I for a second thought you might just be naive, but no, it's much worse. You're a genocide supporter.
Krono@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 232d
Oh so you aren't discounting the hypothesis... You are denying a genocide.
That's much worse. :(
Israeli propaganda is a disease, please get well soon.
urandom@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 232d
You mean the same Israel that blames the Australian government? That Israel?
TrippaSnippa@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 232d
Yep, Israel is the real victim here. Go fuck yourself
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 16 pts · 232d
Why are Israel like this man. Like someone kills a load of people who either have connections to Israel or follow the same faith, a heinous and abhorrent act against innocent people.
Yet Israel has to come out and mention Palestine and blame Australia seemingly based on no evidence whatsoever.
If one’s things certain we can’t know who did this right now. The right have hated Israel and Jews for as far as I can remember and the left is pissed off at Israel and some will conflate Israel with Jews.
As an avid supporter of Palestine and critic and Israel I want to say that not all Jews are responsible for the acts of its government just as not all Palestinians are supporters of Hamas.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 232d
Zionism is literally all about driving a wedge between communities.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 232d
No
Visstix@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 232d
Well that settles it then.
blazeknave@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 232d
Bro - people hated Jews 3 years ago. Source: antisemitic slurs from the person trying to kill me. I never say this shit but touch some grass or get into therapy.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 232d
Isreal's genocide has dramatically changed opinions. I was always for Isreal; we American's love an underdog! Yeah, no longer. Now I say that Israel has forfeited their right to exist.
Now imagine all the people who hate Jews as an extension of Israeli policy. Fuck me, people hated the man who played Joffrey on Game of Thrones and Rose from Star Wars! It's less of a jump for such people to say, Israel evil -> Jews evil.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 232d
Bullshit. The number one cause of antisemitism is hateful assholes.
You are showing the abuser mentality by saying it's someone else's fault that abuse happens.
Stop rationalizing hatred. You're part of the problem.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · -8 pts · 232d
eleijeep@piefed.social · 51 pts · 232d
Can I suggest that when posting news about terrorist mass murders you don't make the first word of your description, "Fun."
jordanlund@lemmy.world MOD · -9 pts · 232d
Just pointing out that live/breaking news points require CONTINUAL maintenance to stay within the subject line rules.
eleijeep@piefed.social · 29 pts · 232d
Yes I understand the meaning of your comment, what I'm pointing out is that your description appears below the headline in the feed and it's really not the vibe you want to go for with a post like this.
ICCrawler@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 232d
I realize you and your upvotes might be in the small majority but if that's genuinely the way ya'll feel you're either way too damn sensitive or your reading comprehension of English just sucks. I can easily look at that and tell "fun" has nothing to do with the murdery bit here. What a fucking nothingburger to bitch about.
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 231d
Definitely a loud minority. Like what? Shut the fuck up, who cares?
qaz@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 232d
Wikipedia Article