Do you think that everyone have a "mask" that they use to show a different "self" to different people and that hides their true self, a truth they don't even show to their closest friends/family?

I mean as in Spy x Family. Everyone has a secret they hide from everyone else, even their closest people.

Do you think real life is like that?

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nightmare786@leminal.space · 67 pts · 242d (5 replies)

it's called roles. we play the sibling role, parent role, friend and SO role, our job role. there is no true self, just adjusting to meet the role's needs.

radix@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 242d (2 replies)

I've always thought of it like a d20. For every role we occupy, we show a different facet on top. Some facets remain visible despite not being the "dominant" one, but others are hidden on the other side.

No single face is our "true self" but they are all a part of who we are.

hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 241d

I like that

nightmare786@leminal.space · 1 pts · 240d

for me it was a crystal. facets of a soulcrystal.

Valmond@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 242d

Or persona per the psychologist Karl Jung IIRC.

So definitely a thing for basically everyone.

Smoogs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d

Just watch out for the person who thinks they have to be the handler role all the time. That’s a messiah complex.

And some are psychopaths in all roles and each role just covering for it.

TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 30 pts · 242d (1 reply)

Masking is how I get through the Christmas season as it's a time of year I really struggle mentally.

That said, I think their use of it is more tied to the Japanese concept of "your three faces". One you show the world, one you show your closest friends and one you only show yourself.

https://www.pranshuwrites.com/2025/01/The-Three-Faces-Japanese-Psychology.html?m=1

belit_deg@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d

Very interesting read on tatemae and honne, thanks for the link. Always love it when I discover that some culture has a word for a familiar concept/thing

Aeao@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 242d (27 replies)

What’ll really blow you’re mind is when you realize we aren’t even honest with ourselves either.

Your mask you show to others is no more fake than the mask you show to yourself.

snooggums@piefed.world · 13 pts · 242d (26 replies)

That is not universal, some of us have actually thought about things for a long time and are honest with ourselves.

TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 242d (2 replies)

I try to be honest with myself about everything, but I'm also honest with myself that sometimes I subconsciously avoid thinking about things consciously anyway

snooggums@piefed.world · 2 pts · 242d

Acknowledging that sometimes you avoid thinking about certain things is part of being honest with yourself, even when it is subconcious. Being aware of who you are doesn't automatically change anything.

Aeao@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d

Wrong person sorry

jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 242d

I find being honest with myself to be easy anymore. It's not something I've always been good at but I've worked on it. Understanding myself is still hard at times. If I'm feeling a certain way about something, sometimes I have to pause for a while to think about why.

Example: the wife and I have an argument about something (which is rare) and I take offense to something she said. She never says anything with the intent of offending me. I know this even though I'm feeling angry. Instead of just reacting in anger, I like to put a pause on the discussion, be alone for a while, and think about why I was offended.

The reasons vary but I pretty much always figure it out, after which I'm ready to resume the discussion with, it nothing else, a little more clarity.

Aeao@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d (21 replies)

My friend I’ve thought about who I am for 20 years. You are not honest with yourself if you believe you are honest with yourself.

People meditated on mountains for decades to be honest with themself. You didn’t accomplish that on Tuesday. Neither have I.

We get closer but to truly reach that point… we probably zero-sum and cease to be.

We learn to lie before we learn to speak. It’s part of all of us. You can’t escape it unfortunately. It is the default setup.

TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 242d (6 replies)

How does the mountain help one be honest with themselves?

gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 242d

How does the mountain help one be honest with themselves?

height radiation and also oxygen deprivation causes hallucinations which can have a psychedelic effect and help you figure things out about yourself that you wouldn't otherwise know. also it helps that historically, there used to be very few distractions on a mountain because it was mostly un-inhabited.

Aeao@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d (4 replies)

If I could answer that I’d write a book. I’d make million dollars and never count it lol.

My point is simple tho, it’s not just as simple as “oh I don’t do that anymore. I never lie to myself”

Dude tell me everything?! Where’s your book? Do you have a commune I could attend?

This is profound information the world itself has been searching for and you have it? Tell me, please?

TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 242d (1 reply)

God I wish I had a very strained pun to reply with.

To summit all up, you get a peak at your inner... self?

We can workshop it, there might be something there.

Aeao@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d

Then we can figure out the appropriate pun

gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 242d (1 reply)

i think the reason why you feel like you have to go on lying and can't be honest with yourself is because you're worried that you're just like the wind, when it stops blowing, it ceases to exist, because it turns into thin air. and the lies are what keep you going.

Aeao@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d

Introspection isn’t what keeps me going. It’s a hobby.

Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 242d (4 replies)

Maybe you're just really bad at it?

Aeao@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 242d (3 replies)

Yeah I kinda suck at grand spiritual enlightenment. Glad you figure it out. Any tips would be appreciated.

Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 241d (2 replies)

I know that was sarcasm, but stop thinking about it in pseudoscientific religious nonsense terms like "spiritual" and "*enlightenment".

You're a human, humans can be figured out, we're not magic.

Aeao@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 241d (1 reply)

“Stop thinking about-“

No. I’ll continue thinking if it’s all the same to you. About everything all the time.

I continue working to enlightenment. Magic and all. It would be great if you could just let me know how you achieved enlightenment but if not I just keep thinking about things. Like people do. You know… like the human brain does lol

I personally am in the camp that people should think more but I don’t want to make a this political.

Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 241d

Let me break down that comment.

So, you want to feel better about yourself, but only through supernatural means?

And when I point out that that is getting in your way to achieving what you call "enlightenment", you not only straight il refuse, but insist that magic is definitely a potential correct path.

And you cover it all with a nice sauce of insulting my intelligence.

You have a VERY long road ahead, and you're currently walking at a right angle to it.

snooggums@piefed.world · 3 pts · 242d (8 replies)

You are not honest with yourself if you believe you are honest with yourself.

That is a load of self defeating bullshit.

It is often difficult, but not impossible, to be honest with ourselves. Hell, there might even be things we didn't consider because they slipped our minds, like whether we acted in a selfish way or not when we were 10 years old, but that doesn't mean we are not being honest with ourselves. Being honest means that when we do think about something specific, we can consider our thoughts and actions and not hardwave them away without thought. It also acknowledges that things are often complicated and how we see things and how others perceive us doesn't align.

But being honest doesn't mean perfectly perceiving everything, it means actually thinking things through and not letting our pride or other hang ups get in the way of introspection.

Aeao@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 242d (7 replies)

I stopped reading at self defeating. “ we can do better” isn’t self defeating it’s recognizing an issue lol.

snooggums@piefed.world · 2 pts · 242d (6 replies)

You are not honest with yourself if you believe you are honest with yourself.

Saying that it is impossible to be honest with one's self is self defeating. The rest of the post explains why, but if you can't get past someone disagreeing with you then I can see why you struggle with the idea of being able to be honest with yourself.

Being honest with ourselves is how we can improve.

Aeao@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 241d (5 replies)

I didn’t say it’s impossible. I didn’t say you can’t be honest with yourself. I said if you think you don’t lie to yourself you need more introspection.

You can disagree with me as much as you like, that doesn’t mean I need to be silent on your arguments.

If I say you’ll never ride a dragon I don’t feel that’s me being negative. If you say you’ll ride dragons all the times I want some information from you…. That’s not an easily attainable thing that people just stumble apon. I have questions lol.

You’re talking about reaching a state of pure inner peace… please elaborate how you attained such knowledge?

snooggums@piefed.world · 2 pts · 241d

I thought about things a lot and accepted my faults and bad habits without excuses.

I know exactly who I am and am at peace with being less than perfect, but aware of what I need to do to be better. Knowing doesn't guarantee success though, sometimes it requires constant work.

I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about with the dragons. If you mean Komodo dragons, I sure wouldn't ride those as they are fucking dangerous.

FaceDeer@fedia.io · 20 pts · 242d (3 replies)

I think I'd go further and say that there isn't really any such thing as a person's "true self." People present different aspects of themselves in different circumstances. It's like asking which orientation you should hold an object against a light to see the "true shape" of its shadow.

RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 242d (2 replies)

I believe thats whats called in Buddhism as having No Self. You are who you are at that moment.

FaceDeer@fedia.io · 2 pts · 242d (1 reply)

Could be, I'm not deeply familiar with Buddhism. There's still a core "something" in there that's casting the shadow, but it's not something that can be interacted with directly so I don't know if it would fit the normal definition of a "self". You can only directly interact with the shadows it casts and those shadows are situation-dependent. It doesn't think or act in isolation.

I suppose one could just pick some specific set of circumstances and call the self that emerges under those conditions the "true self." For example you could call the version of you that emerges when you're lying in bed alone at night thinking about the dumb stuff you did during the day your "true self." But that's a bit arbitrary.

Voidian@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 240d

But that's a bit arbitrary

Exactly. It's no more "true self" than any other. Even by themselves, most people play a role for themselves: they replay events of the day or tell themselves other stories and then believe whatever gives them an emotional fix. But it's not real, and that is true for every other person as well. You are not your story about yourself, you are not someone's story about you and nobody is your story about them.

I_love_older_women@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 242d (8 replies)
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riskable@programming.dev · 10 pts · 242d (2 replies)

How could pleasing older women ever bring dishonor‽

Mohammed himself did as much with Khadija!

Be the change the world needs by replacing oil with pleasure as Saudi Arabia's strongest export!

I_love_older_women@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d
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Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 242d

It's certainly better than the reverse.

gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 242d

username checks out

ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d (3 replies)

You getting married or just fornicating?

I_love_older_women@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 242d (2 replies)
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ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d

Well, at least you know this can't last forever. 🤷😅

gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 242d

I want variety

a good salad contains a mixture of fruits ;-)

TehBamski@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 241d (2 replies)

As someone with ADHD, absolutely. I've heard that many people with nerodivergent brains use this coping skill.

jj4211@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d

I'm wondering to what extent some self diagnosed neurodivergent people experience normal, but generally unacknowledged mental experiences and think they must be weird, otherwise it would be talked about more.

As others point out in the thread, this is generally written up as a universal experience of people.

Voidian@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 240d

It's not ADHD. It's literally everyone. There is no such thing as a true self. That's just what Disney movies and belief in souls brainwashed us to think.

ultranaut@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 242d

No. I think people are extremely diverse in how they experience and engage with their individual subjectivity. I think a lot of people are like that at least some of the time, but it's more complicated and probably a nonconscious behavior for most people when they are doing it. Describing it as a "mask" I think is potentially misleading because I don't think that's necessarily how people experience this phenomena subjectively.

nicerdicer@feddit.org · 9 pts · 242d

I wouldn't call it a "mask", because it implies deception. Depending on who you are around, you show (and hide) different treats of your personality: In an employment setting you do not act the same way you would act when you hang with your boys (or girls, respectively) - you show different aspects of your personality while you are with your significant other, rather than with your parents. Also, your online behavior would be different from your offline behavior when navigating public situations.

Different people around you and/or different social settings make you filter things regarding your personal beliefs and/or personal traits.

solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 241d (1 reply)

The person you don't show others is no more your "true self" than the one you do. It's still you, existing in that moment, responding to your environment, whether it's your deepest emotions or your best mask.

nelly_man@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d

Yeah, I like to think of out more as a spotlight than a mask. You're choosing which aspects of yourself to draw attention to rather than hiding yourself behind a persona.

That is, unless we're talking about the masking that neurodivergent people talk about wherein they put conscious effort into hiding their essential nature in order to fit in.

gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 242d (2 replies)

Voidian@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 240d (1 reply)

This. Exactly this. But because Christian Capitalism needs us to be individuals, being "nothing" must be characterized as a negative.

The only fucking reason people experience the emptiness under all the masks as a negative is because they've been conditioned to think there's supposed to be something there.

Yet the emptiness is the experience of literally everyone who bothers to look. And it is a relief. You're not anyone, you're not "supposed" to be one way or another. There's just an exchange with everything in existence and you can just respond as called in any given situation.

gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 240d

But because Christian Capitalism needs us to be individuals

"being an individual builds character" or sth (smh my head)

biscuitswalrus@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 242d (1 reply)

People have different facets. The way I interact with my partner for ten years is different to my close friends I've had for 20, different to my co-workers, different to my family. But my family and friends and co-workers see how I act with my partner.

I mimic people to some extent treating them similarly how they treat me. There are limits though, I'm bounded on that scale by my personal values which mature as I do. So I'm still never going to act outside the bounds of my morality and values, but I'll still treat my partner with unconditional love, and my friends with the best times and silly jokes.

These I don't consider masks, but not everyone sees me the same. They're just facets.

No_Money_Just_Change@feddit.org · 2 pts · 242d

Yes. There are many different traits that I would all call a part of me but how much I act out on them is different between different people.

In some groups there are topics that define me for the other members, while in other groups the members don't know I even care for this topic

I overact some traits but what topic I overact os different in each group

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 241d

They covered this when I took Sociology 101 about 40 years ago.

pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org · 5 pts · 242d
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Kolanaki@pawb.social · 5 pts · 242d

Everyone has 3 personalities.

The person they are around strangers.

The person they are with friends and family.

The person they are when completely alone.

SarahFromOz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 242d

I think everyone has about 3 "versions" of themselves.

One version for work. One for family. One for friends and partners.

The work version is the least honest because so much is unacceptable to say at work and people self-censor a lot. Say the wrong things and you will get meetings, write ups and maybe fired. Everybody gives their boss to much information at least one time and learns why you don't do that.

The friends and partners version is normally the most honest version and can be completely genuine for some. Good friends can be trusted to keep secrets and don't judge.

Family is normally in the middle but this depends. If the family was incredibly old fashioned, conservative or religious then maybe a person would need to self-censor even more than they do at work?

Smoogs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 241d

Haven’t watched but going by your description alone : absolutely and I think it’s necessary.

Your closest person could be ok with most topics except for a few that maybe you talk to a therapist about as this person would incredibly sensitive with said topics to the point they’d have a meltdown or have very limited experience and start giving terrible and/or biased advice on. And maybe you care about all the other aspects about this person enough that you just save it for the therapist. EG: family trauma, mental illness, etc. and the therapist relationship, while different and not as deep, it can functionally overlap these missing parts and give you what you need to share it.

Or maybe that person does understand but can’t find the right language and say it in the way you need or want to hear it. Or you could have issues trying to share your perspective. Again: what a trained therapist can help you with.

And that is fair. I think we need to understand and respect the limitations of the people we love and respect our own boundaries about such topics. There’s only so far you can stretch a person or the relationship with them. It’s healthy to recognize this.

It’s also important to realize that no one other person on earth is going to be your entire witness of your life. Especially when they are already witnessing their own life. Equally: You are your full witness. This is your journey. You’re just sharing part of your ride with other people.

ollie@pawb.social · 4 pts · 241d

only person i hide absolutely nothing from is my gf, i definitely present differently around different people, especially family

agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 241d

Persona (psychology) - Wikipedia https://share.google/aeMgXcVW6RqPHrwg7

As for everyone keeping a secret from everyone? Maybe. You don't have to share everything with everyone, it's ok to keep stuff to yourself if you want to. Most secrets are probably pretty banal though.

cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 242d

Huh. Did not expect a SPYxFAMILY reference here! わくわく!

Linkin Park said it 25 years ago, "everyone has a face that they hold inside," I think that was in Papercut, the opening track to their debut album, Hybrid Theory. Good song about that.

I don't really believe everyone has a true self they hide. I do believe we don't share certain things with certain people, sometimes for good reason.

What I do believe is that we are a different person to every person who knows us. That is to say, if your parents are still together, you have these two people who have known you since you were an infant, but they have different views of you. Or if you have a decent sized friend group, each of these friends sees you slightly differently. I think this is more useful to us. Knowing who we are to each person we meet; rather than focusing on the persona we share with others, understanding how another sees us and acting accordingly can be used to great influence and effect. Find the people who underestimate you and show them what you can do. Find the people who don't like you and show them kindness. Things like that.

Nemo@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 242d

No. We change how we present but that doesn't make those presentations "false" or what we don't share more "true".

RagnarokOnline@programming.dev · 4 pts · 242d

Some social scientists say there’s yet another self even beyond these masks: your true self. They say you can never really know your true self.

The Johari window describes the 4 “views” of who we are. Oftentimes, the masks we choose to display do not come across to others how we’d expect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_window

inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 242d

Yes.

Love, -A formerly closeted queer person.

HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 242d

I have a collection of masks. I assume others are like that too.

Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 242d

For the sake of the survey, I know I do.

AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 242d

Like most things, I believe it's on a spectrum, with some people being very much who they seem, and some people being completely disingenuous. We all do things that we know others would frown upon (to one degree or another), so it's always tempting to hide those things, sometimes to the extent that we hide the whole part of ourselves that would do then.

nagaram@startrek.website · 2 pts · 241d

You would love Erving Goffman

Hikermick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d

Yes. We all have an avatar

snooggums@piefed.world · 2 pts · 242d

I do have filters on what I say in different contexts, but do not consider it a mask as I will always say the same things outside of the filtered contexts. So while I don't bring up a lot of things at work, it is simply because it isn't relevant to work and isn't something I want to talk about at work. There isn't a presentation of something else.

Like I don't bring up hobbies for the same reason I don't bring up my sex life, it just isn't relevant. I don't consider anything like that to be a mask.

The closest would be that I phrase things at work in a more positive and less critical manner, but it is pretty subtle and if that is considered masking then the word loses a lot of meaning for people who behave completely differently from who they are due to social pressures.

gustofwind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d

Real life is indeed like that yes

watson387@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 242d

My ADHD says yes.

ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d

To a certain degree, and it sounds exhausting. It also varies with culture (Brits are more masked than Polish people, for instance). Now, I have discernment so I don't always just blurt out whatever's on my mind (especially around people like my MIL and my older relatives), but I don't see it as a mask, it's more on the level of holding in some farts, lol. I haven't changed my mind about anything and if something arises that would test my values I'll still just be me and act accordingly, I'm just not mentioning what comes to my mind when I see my wife bra-less, for example.

Regardless, there's us, the perception we have of us and the perception others have of us. We should at least make sure the first two are as close as possible. Also, personally, I'm too proud not to be myself, and since I know I lead a mostly harmless and somewhat selfless life, I have no moral qualms going at it raw and maskless!

Camille_Jamal@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 242d

no clue but i definitely do

SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 242d

Internal Family Systems teaches that we have multiple internal personas that have different roles in protecting the true self at the center. It has been useful for self discovery, though I don't know if I believe it's completely correct

I did learn that I have multiple sets of behaviors that l adopt based on need. It's like code switching, except it changes everything - speech cadence, word choice, body language, thought patterns, you name it. It's not multiple personalities or anything, just changing relative proportions of various traits for a given situation, like job switching in an RPG. It was initially really jarring for my partner. They are one of the few people I'm genuinely myself around, but if I'm in a very stressful situation or interacting with co-workers about work, they see me acting very differently. It's disconcerting but it makes me more flexible in social situations.

Edit: I also recently learned I'm what is known amongst the commoners as "autistic as fuck", so that may be a factor. Still learning!

fodor@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 242d

You cannot be 100% truthful all the time. There's no way to communicate all of the thoughts running through your brain fast enough. So you have to choose what to say.

That choice depends on who you're talking to, for obvious practical reasons. So, even if you try to be honest, you're still inevitably keeping secrets from people. Always. Every day.

So the answer to your question is yes. Of course it is. There's no other possible answer. But is that what you wanted to hear? Maybe you actually want to ask a more specific question. I'm not sure.

rawn@feddit.org · 1 pts · 241d

It is to a certain degree. You don't bring your love for milk shakes to your "business attire only" office job. You may love Hentai, but you're not telling the person next to you during an opera visit. These are aspects of you that don't match the occasion, so you skip that. Most people do this naturally, they don't spend much thought on it.

Then there's "masking" as used by neurodivergent people. That's an entirely different matter. More info an that is over at neurodivergentinsights.