"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said adding that "if each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries"
White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a video that went viral on Friday that undocumented immigrants are not entitled to due process protections when being removed from the United States, arguing that providing full legal proceedings would make deportations unworkable.
"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said. "If each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries. They had no due process entering the country, and they are not entitled to it when being removed."
Supreme Court precedent has long held that constitutional protections apply to noncitizens within U.S. territory. In Wong Wing v. United States (1896), the Court ruled that the Fifth Amendment's due process clause protects noncitizens from arbitrary detention or punishment.
110 Comments
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 165 pts · 223d
You didn't have due process to be born Stephen, so you don't deserve it when we put your neck in a guillotine.
drzoidberg@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 223d
I'd prefer slowly lowering him into a wood chipper, feet first. After we feed him a ton of adrenaline so he can't pass out.
Rooskie91@discuss.online · 28 pts · 223d
Nah, he deserves a much more ironic punishment more suited to make him miserable.
He deserves to be forced to afford rent on minimum wage in an inner city surrounded by the people he hates.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 223d
How about he is forced to pick up trash alongside the highways, and the government makes very prominent, hyper-cool videos about it, just like they are making for people carted off to CECOT?
Most days he is picking up trash by the highway, and other days he has to work in Hispanic communities doing community service like working in a soup kitchen, bussing tables? Ideally, all he hears all day long is Spanish.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 222d
Nah, not painful enough
hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 222d
He could just be sent to CECOT or a random Sudanese prison. I think it's still too good for him, but I'm willing to compromise.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 223d
In Venezuela
DrFistington@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 223d
Vivisection is what he deserves. Then we may actually find out what the fuck is wrong with him before he dies in terror.
drzoidberg@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 223d
Watch Nuremberg. The doctor played my Ramek was a fucking fortune teller. Really scary shit when you read up on his research and his thoughts on Nazis, which seem to be pretty accurate nearly 100 years later.
Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 223d
Too fast.
drzoidberg@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 223d
I said slowly.
Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 223d
Still too fast.
I propose keeping him alive for decades to work in horrid toiling conditions 16 hours per day, 7 days a week. Sleeping where he works. One meal per day, unpleasant.
Diamond mines in Africa? Some repetitive manual factory labor?
He can earn the woodchipper after 4 decades...
Hylactor@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 223d
Probably unpopular opinion, but torturing our current problems wont prevent our future problems.
Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 223d
I disagree but it's kind of a soft disagreement, as I don't really know for sure. Obviously we're all joking about the torture, and don't condone violence...
But, we generally torture people of small crimes, or torture objectively innocent people. Think of the children in the African mines, still to this day.
The people who are causing all our problems never or rarely get tortured. And because they have all the wealth and power, they rarely get any form of punishment. They aren't afraid of any consequences, generally.
So if we actually did start torturing them, and showing them they're not invincible, would they change their ways?... Idk but maybe.
Hylactor@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 223d
Punishment as a deterrent hasn't worked for the entirety of human civilization. Otherwise we would have fewer murders than other countries as we continue to be one of the few places that cling to capital punishment. There will always be monsters. I won't argue that murder isn't justified, but it also isn't a "solution" in the strictest sense. Fear is what you're talking about and it is a fickle master.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 223d
Nope. Torture isn't a deterrent, it's a sadistic indulgence.
If Miller ever faces people's justice, it should be with due process, and if he's found guilty, the outcome should be fast, cheap and irreversible.
drzoidberg@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 223d
I like the way you think.
I suggest coal mines though. Chances of black lung are much higher, and I've heard it's an awful way to die.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 222d
Do you know what happens when someone's feet never get dry? They start to dissolve kinda. Melt into the sock and shoe.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 222d
Nah go dangle first
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 222d
Wood chipper! Wood chipper! Wood chipper! We throw a list of these cronies into the chipper on live tv things will change really quick
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 105 pts · 223d
That means they can remove anyone without due process...
They could say literally anyone didn't come in the country legally, and "due process" is where people can prove they should be here
This is the same as when people would drown women, and if died she wasn't a witch so everyone would celebrate even tho they just killed an innocent.
No regard for false positives.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 223d
Fascists don't believe in due process, they believe in whims enforced at gunpoint.
PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml · -51 pts · 223d
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 223d
...
Let's say ICE sees you this afternoon.
They declare you an "illegal alien" and take you into custody before sending you to an overseas prison with no trial and no options for you to talk to anyone not in holding with you...
How the ever loving fuck does someone prove they're actually citizen before they're shipped out of the country?
PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml · -27 pts · 223d
Zak@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 223d
Due process protections are still mostly in place, which is why he's still there and able to file a lawsuit. Without them, as Miller seems to be advocating, they might have simply decided his ID was fake and deported him.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 223d
They're doing that now and have been doing it...
The reason there's an article about that guy, is because they didn't just disappear him.
The fact that it doesn't happen 100%, doesn't mean it happens 0%.
That's basic logic
PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml · -27 pts · 223d
owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 223d
And how does one determine whether someone entered with due process?
Due process is a right that is either offered to all or none. There is no in-between.
PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml · -24 pts · 223d
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 223d
My god how are people this stupid.
This statement is coming from a man who has overseen the deportation of countless documented immigrants and even citizens. It would be incredibly naive to trust DHS to oversee this with no oversight even without that context. But with it, this is full on delusional. Seriously, how do people end up like this? I don't get it. The average grade school student could see this is a bad idea but even after having it explained multiple ways you still can't grasp basic concepts of how government works.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 223d
Without due process, he could just accuse anyone of having entered illegally and deny them any chance to prove otherwise, including checking their documentation
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 222d
Which means they can deport ANYONE regardless of how they entered, or natural born citizens, because the due process is also how you prove you're a citizen...
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 223d
...
No he didn't.
Both times they eventually let him go before taking him anywhere.
Did you even read it first, or did you read it and just not understand what's happening?
PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml · -19 pts · 223d
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 223d
No they didn't.
They did check, thought it was real, and release him...
But that's not always what happens, and still isn't "due process", which at this point I'm sure you don't know what it actually means.
What are you talking about?
Do you legitimately think that because one person didn't get the worst possible result, no one does?
If you heard someone drove drunk without getting a DUI, would you suddenly start telling everyone no one can get a DUI and driving drunk is safe because that one drunk didn't cause an accident?
PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml · -14 pts · 223d
jj4211@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 223d
And what's your point?
termaxima@slrpnk.net · 79 pts · 223d
Due process isn't something you "deserve". You are entitled to it, regardless of any circumstance. The process is due to you. It is your unalienable right.
jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de · 17 pts · 223d
*according to the US constitution ?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 222d
Been law governing statesia (then part of England) since 1354. And I quote:
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 222d
According to the goddamn magna carta.
But yes, also according to the US Constitution
someguy3@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 223d
You need due process to even know if they are illegal aliens. They just want to deport people without checking.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 223d
Oh, they "checked". They held up the color chart.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 223d
I'm pretty sure some natural-born citizens have already been disappeared by ICE
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 44 pts · 223d
I'm sick of people trying to gaslight us into thinking ICE is only going after illegal immigrants and that they just want people to follow legal processes to come in. They're arresting people at courthouses, in the midst of following the legal process to immigrate
wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 222d
They're also arresting Americans and then claiming afterwards that their birth certificates are fake.
And people need to get this through their heads: If illegal immigrants have no right to due process, then NOBODY has the right to due process, because how are you going to prove you're a citizen without due process?
dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 223d
I just saw an ad recruiting new ICE members. It was essentially just selling fear. These people are such cowards.
Furbag@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 223d
This guy basically just said he doesn't care what the constitution says, he's going to do whatever he wants anyway.
I sure wish the idiots on the right would get riled up over literally anything besides the 2nd amendment.
dhork@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 223d
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 223d
Openly admitting to violating the civil rights of millions will come in handy for those of us who will hold you accountable.
helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 223d
I do so badly wish to be a judge on that tribunal.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 223d
When. Dammit WHEN?
Floon@lemmy.ml · 36 pts · 222d
Can't stress this enough, but Stephen Miller is one of the shittiest humans alive. Has all the earmarks of an asshole young man who was shunned by all women, and he's out for his revenge. What a twat.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 221d
And he'll probably be president someday
Phegan@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 222d
tate@lemmy.sdf.org · 33 pts · 223d
Yes, and you didn't have due process when you turned left without signaling, so now you don't get to go to a judge and say the cop was lying.
It all makes so much sense now!
Dumbass.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 222d
Actually, a lot of them being kicked out now are being pulled from their court dates, so they are following due process.
This scumbag should die in a jail cell.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 222d
Not to mention the ones they are simply cancelling their visas and other legal arrangements and then arresting and deporting. Steven Miller is white supremacist scum and should be tried for crimes against humanity.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d
He doesn't believe in due process for anyone else, why should he get the same benefit? Stephen Miller murdered a child, and should be summarily deported from life. He didn't use due process to murder the child, so he shouldn't get due process to avoid the death penalty. No trial, just a hangin'.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d
Once you surrender your humanity it's very difficult to get it back. Behaving like they do, you'll become just as awful as they are. I'm not one to believe in the Democrats playing fair while the Republicans do whatever the fuck they want. I certainly think the Democrats, or any liberals that are in Congress, need to step up and use the rules that exist just as strongly as the Republicans have. But if we start ignoring the rule of law the way they are it no longer becomes relevant and we live not in a democracy but in a state of anarchic totalitarianism.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 222d
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 223d
Oh geez, using that logic, no criminal used due process to murder, rape, steal, so they can't be charged.
Stephen Miller is truly the Chief of Staff we deserve.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 222d
I want him to be publicly executed. Ideally by due process but I'm increasingly ok with by mob
Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 222d
Stephen Miller is an undocumented immigrant. He now has to prove the contrary without due process.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 22 pts · 223d
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 223d
Honestly, he could probably use a few swirlies right now.
Shamber@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 223d
Is this guys actually a living thing? I never get that I'm living being vibe from him, anyone checked him for puls?
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d
He's basically wormtongue except that when Gandalf purges him from the White House Trump will still be a piece of shit.
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world · 16 pts · 223d
Right. Except the criteria Mr. Nazi over there has is “…because I say they were undocumented”.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 222d
Isn't the onus on the state to prove they are undocumented? That's the charge yea?
So...defense lawyer to 5-A, checkmate?
This seems like something that would be thrown out before the envelope was even opened. Like AOL floppies on the judges docket.
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world · 7 pts · 222d
I’m not sure what you’re saying…
…but the state is skipping the court part.
thecaptaintrout@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 222d
You would be right, if the Republican administration actually followed rule of law. How many major court cases have they lost, yet continued doing that they were sued/charged over? I've lost count. The laws are not being Enforced, because the enforcement is the task of the Executive branch, i.e. the presidency and departments (FBI, NSA, DOD, DHS, etc). In previous administrations, the non partisan federal employees would enforce the law with either party in the Whitehouse, but with this current Republican administration and it's purge of federal workforce and replacing non-partisan positions with political appointees, as explicitly called for in Project 2025.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 222d
Ahh see, the defense lawyer can't do anything if they literally cannot physically locate their client.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 223d
The rights in the Constitution apply (in the words of the Constitution) to "all persons," not "all persons that Pee Wee Goebbels approves of."
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 222d
This dude just lives in his own hateful reality.
AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 223d
Steven Miller is a Goebbels wannabe and one of my most sincere wishes is that I live long enough to see that he's dead.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 223d
Every time I see that horrible fuck’s face I wish for horrible fates to befall him that I will not put in print.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 222d
I will put them in print. I hope he loses his favorite bath towels and has to dry off with the ones he would use for drying his hands after going to the bathroom if he actually washed his hands
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 223d
Not how anything works.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 222d
Ah, the land of the free welcoming the tired, heartbroken and poor huddled masses yearning for that freedom?
Snapz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 223d
Wouldn't it be nice if people like shithead steve could have their faces melt like the Nazi in Indiana Jones?
core@leminal.space · 7 pts · 222d
15 million? Got some sauce to back up that claim?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 222d
That will be soon jump up to the number of Latinos, then Latinos+Asians, then Latinos+Asians+Blacks...
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 222d
I guess just rounding up from this study?
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-reached-a-record-14-million-in-2023/
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 7 pts · 221d
Yeah, that's kind of the point. You don't deport people out of spite or because it serves your agenda.
Whatever that means. I'm not a scholar in matters of law, but I guess that Miller's opinion is as valuable as single ply toilet paper.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 223d
Bring us yo huddled masses
Almacca@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 223d
15 million! Crikey! Which orifice did he pull that number from?
Edit to add: This quote also enrages me.
Then so be it you souless ghoul. Maybe you should take it down a notch or two if you're struggling to achieve your goals. What a absolutely bullshit reason. Does he think anyone would think that's a reasonable excuse?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d
He has a huge boil in and on his ass. It's called Stephen Miller
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 222d
Probably rounded up from this study?
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-reached-a-record-14-million-in-2023/
iThinkDifferentThanU@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 223d
Mr Miller, needs no trial when someone Luigi's him. I call dibs on pissing on his corpse
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 223d
I'll go second. Or 5,000th. As long as I get to piss on his grave on my future piss tour of these ghoul's graves.
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 5 pts · 223d
He's wrong and should feel bad. I hope he gets a yeast infection in his urethra.
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 222d
He got cucked by Elon Musk, who is known for using IVF for a bunch of his children with multiple baby mamas. I don't know anything more pathetic than that. They deserve each other though, she's a ghoul just like them.
ArenaCops@infosec.exchange · 1 pts · 220d
@frustrated_phagocytosis @MicroWave Stephen Miller's not thankful at all for birthright citizenship, which made him an allegedly undeportable member of the nation — although not of its higher ideals.
Steve@startrek.website · 4 pts · 223d
Dumbass
pigup@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 222d
micropenis confirmed
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 223d
Cannot wait to see that logic used on him when it comes to his time - he didn't do any of what he did with due process, so no due process is owed him when deciding what to do about his crimes....
Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 222d
Got my tomatoes and strike fund ready, when are we national striking?
BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 223d
Can he just come out of the closet already? Why take out whatever problems/insecurities/being in the closet or whatever he has out on everyone else?
VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 223d
There's not a lot of people I'll say this about, but I think he is just genuinely evil.
We have the narcissists, the sociopaths, the self-loathing queer people, the ones driven entirely by greed, but I really do think that Stephen Miller delights in the cruelty, the suffering, the... evil
This photo of Goebbels comes to mind basically every time I think of Miller
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 223d
He doesn’t deserve lube.
Boiglenoight@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 223d
Not even syrup or jelly?
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 222d
It would be a waste of calories. Whatever’s getting in there is going in dry.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 222d
Fixodent
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 222d
This man is really stupid.
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 222d
And vile.
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 223d
Then change the constitution. It's that simple.
Borknager@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 222d