I mean, how many companies are maintaining their DEI programs these days?
I’m not gonna say Chick-fil-A are perfect angels, but the article is about a guy who is upset because one of the locations in Utah celebrated a gay marriage and corporate backed them up. That’s a very different Chick-fil-A than in 2012.
I’m not surprised by that. Apple does plenty of evil shit, and has straight-up bribed Trump because it’s the wise business move, but they’ve been ostensibly “socially progressive” for most of the company’s history.
Or maybe they just actually know diversity is a good thing that helps a company make better products. Apple never struck me as particularly stupid, just evil.
They went through a very public divestment of the company from all the “family” centric hate groups. The owners still donate to them personally but the company’s charitable giving arm does not.
You could call them woke for “backing up” a gay marriage or you could say they chose not to go to the trouble of breaking heads over some gay marriage. I know the Trump era has emboldened the worst of us, but that doesn’t mean everyone is for sure willing to prove that their PR has been phony all along. They don’t have enough to gain.
Is it possible for Chic-fil-a to ever redeem itself in your eyes?
If they fired everyone involved with every controversy and started donating every cent of profit to LGBT charity groups, would you say they were a good company, or is it once tainted always tainted.
Chic-fil-a has made a lot of changes in the past decade and a half, and I'm of the opinion that, if no amount of self reflection and change can ever make us reconsider our condemnation, then there's no reason for anything to try and change, as it won't stop the hate.
Not that Chic-fil-a is perfect, but I would argue they are now as good or better than any other fast food chain we're not actively hating on. They actually pay their employees more than minimum wage and give them one guaranteed weekend day off if nothing else.
So why continue to put them down now that it's "mission accomplished?" If the goal was for them to change, and they have, it seems that we should bring them back into the fold, no?
if no amount of self reflection and change can ever make us reconsider our condemnation, then there's no reason for anything to try and change, as it won't stop the hate
A very important point that we should all remember. It's critical to continue a no-tolerance policy of intolerance, but to accept those who want to change.
I'm not running to Chick-fil-A anytime soon but the point remains.
For me it would either take a reversal of all the bullshit deregulation of campaign finance laws, or for all the bigots in the Cathy family to be ousted entirely.
the bar for capitalists pigs is incredibly low...but to give credit where it's do, they atleast pay a halfway decent wage, take basic measures to keep employees safe/healthy (shade/hested spaces in winter, for drive through people), are relatively good in insuring QC in their supply chain, and actually have a pretty generous franchise setup.
admittedly these are things that the overwhelming majority of the West just...insures via basic government regulation, but they sure could be a hell of a lot worse.
alls i'm saying is when/if the Revolution happens, their CEO isnt even in the top 50-100 people that need to get got.
If you think Chic-Fil-A is woke (not saying you, just people in general), you probably should become a fan of Marjorie Taylor-Greene. She's also suddenly become a huge supporter of Leftist politics and isn't a piece of shit racist. /s
Because those people never made it past the Old Testament. I was forced to attend a Southern Baptist Church during highschool, and the preacher never once had a sermon based on the New Testament.
But they really hate it when you suggest they join a synagogue.
You can still hate someone who eventually, under great pressure, finally decided to stop hurting people after having a history of hurting people when they should have known better.
Damages demand restitution. I'll be chill with chik fil a when they commit to undoing the damage they've caused. "Sorry, we won't do it again" isn't acceptable, especially when their owner, Dan Cathy, continues to fund many of the same groups that chik fil a supposedly stopped funding in response to public pressure.
The family who owns most of the shares, and who were the authors of the anti-lgbt donations policies, vowed to replace the company's direct contributions with their own contributions sourced via the company's profits and dividends.
It moved who does the direct donation, but buying from Chick-fil-A still funds anti-lgbt efforts.
They're not using chicks for Chick-fil-A nuggets. McDonald's, maybe, but not Chick-fil-A.
The culled males from the egg industry are typically used for animal feed.
Chick-fil-A uses broilers (6-9 weeks old) which is during their teenage stage. Animal maturity stages don't follow the same relative timeline as humans.
Hell the guy that owns Menards is another disgusting human being who has been associated with Trump for years. Feel like not many people are aware of that.
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dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 191 pts · 249d
Important note: This doesn't suddenly mean that Chick-Fil-A and the people who own it are suddenly good guys now.
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 134 pts · 249d
I mean, how many companies are maintaining their DEI programs these days?
I’m not gonna say Chick-fil-A are perfect angels, but the article is about a guy who is upset because one of the locations in Utah celebrated a gay marriage and corporate backed them up. That’s a very different Chick-fil-A than in 2012.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 73 pts · 249d
That happened?! I’m frankly stunned.
regdog@lemmy.world · -44 pts · 249d
Nothing happened. It is merely the current "Outrage of the Week".
village604@adultswim.fan · 30 pts · 249d
Uh, the article is literally about it happening.
regdog@lemmy.world · -38 pts · 249d
Yeah, and what is happening is "outrage"
village604@adultswim.fan · 36 pts · 249d
Yes, outrage that a historically anti-lgbt company showed support for the LGBT community. It's more than just 'some dude is angry'
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 248d
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 248d
also the guy who is upset is literally linked to at least three guys (one of whom was JOSH DUGGAR) who sexually assaulted children.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 248d
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 10 pts · 248d
I’m not surprised by that. Apple does plenty of evil shit, and has straight-up bribed Trump because it’s the wise business move, but they’ve been ostensibly “socially progressive” for most of the company’s history.
nullroot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 248d
Or maybe they just actually know diversity is a good thing that helps a company make better products. Apple never struck me as particularly stupid, just evil.
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 5 pts · 248d
Oh absolutely.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 248d
Not really. The issue is the corporate overlords at that company donating millions of dollars to shitty things like conversion therapy camps.
They donate to a huge range of shitty things to this day.
They are trash.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 248d
They went through a very public divestment of the company from all the “family” centric hate groups. The owners still donate to them personally but the company’s charitable giving arm does not.
You could call them woke for “backing up” a gay marriage or you could say they chose not to go to the trouble of breaking heads over some gay marriage. I know the Trump era has emboldened the worst of us, but that doesn’t mean everyone is for sure willing to prove that their PR has been phony all along. They don’t have enough to gain.
testfactor@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 249d
Is it possible for Chic-fil-a to ever redeem itself in your eyes?
If they fired everyone involved with every controversy and started donating every cent of profit to LGBT charity groups, would you say they were a good company, or is it once tainted always tainted.
Chic-fil-a has made a lot of changes in the past decade and a half, and I'm of the opinion that, if no amount of self reflection and change can ever make us reconsider our condemnation, then there's no reason for anything to try and change, as it won't stop the hate.
Not that Chic-fil-a is perfect, but I would argue they are now as good or better than any other fast food chain we're not actively hating on. They actually pay their employees more than minimum wage and give them one guaranteed weekend day off if nothing else.
So why continue to put them down now that it's "mission accomplished?" If the goal was for them to change, and they have, it seems that we should bring them back into the fold, no?
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 32 pts · 249d
I honestly haven't been following them.
Did they ever admit fault? That's big for me. An explicit "we were wrong"
ImADifferentBird@piefed.blahaj.zone · 28 pts · 249d
That's the big thing for me. To be forgiven, you must first apologize. Then you must make amends.
And yes, for some harms, there are no amends great enough.
dontsayaword@piefed.social · 32 pts · 249d
I think redemption is possible, but I'm skeptical. Will definitely look into this more.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 249d
A very important point that we should all remember. It's critical to continue a no-tolerance policy of intolerance, but to accept those who want to change.
I'm not running to Chick-fil-A anytime soon but the point remains.
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 248d
For me it would either take a reversal of all the bullshit deregulation of campaign finance laws, or for all the bigots in the Cathy family to be ousted entirely.
laranis@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 248d
Open for business on Sundays and we'll talk.
IronBird@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 249d
the bar for capitalists pigs is incredibly low...but to give credit where it's do, they atleast pay a halfway decent wage, take basic measures to keep employees safe/healthy (shade/hested spaces in winter, for drive through people), are relatively good in insuring QC in their supply chain, and actually have a pretty generous franchise setup.
admittedly these are things that the overwhelming majority of the West just...insures via basic government regulation, but they sure could be a hell of a lot worse.
alls i'm saying is when/if the Revolution happens, their CEO isnt even in the top 50-100 people that need to get got.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 17 pts · 248d
If you think Chic-Fil-A is woke (not saying you, just people in general), you probably should become a fan of Marjorie Taylor-Greene. She's also suddenly become a huge supporter of Leftist politics and isn't a piece of shit racist. /s
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 249d
Sometimes a jackal will eat another jackal. Do not pet any jackals.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 20 pts · 249d
But jackals are cute. 😭
ImADifferentBird@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 249d
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 4 pts · 249d
This is true. They are not "the face of the resistance", or whatever Bluesky dems are saying nowadays.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 96 pts · 249d
“Following the teachings of Jesus goes agains the teachings of Jesus”
Dude is so far up his own ass he hasn’t seen daylight in years
ferrule@sh.itjust.works · 43 pts · 248d
I have been boycotting chick-fil-a for decades.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 248d
I welcome these maga nuts also supporting the boycott of Chick-fil-A.
Fuck that company for all the millions they contributed to right wing groups who went on anti lgbtqia crusades for the past two decades.
And honestly I don't care why maga is protesting them. Fuck Chick-fil-A.
bitchkat@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 247d
Are you doing it because their food is terrible?
ferrule@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 247d
No, they have been a big supporter of the shittiest parts of conservatism so they don't get my money.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 249d
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 40 pts · 249d
How the fuck is respecting people's backgrounds during hiring and employment in contrast to the Christian faith?
village604@adultswim.fan · 25 pts · 249d
Because those people never made it past the Old Testament. I was forced to attend a Southern Baptist Church during highschool, and the preacher never once had a sermon based on the New Testament.
But they really hate it when you suggest they join a synagogue.
borf@lemmynsfw.com · 11 pts · 249d
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 249d
village604@adultswim.fan · 12 pts · 249d
Fuck them for changing corporate policy to what you want it to be?
They deserved hate for their anti-lgbt policies, but if they scrapped that there's no reason for hate anymore.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 248d
morphballganon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 248d
You can still hate someone who eventually, under great pressure, finally decided to stop hurting people after having a history of hurting people when they should have known better.
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 248d
Damages demand restitution. I'll be chill with chik fil a when they commit to undoing the damage they've caused. "Sorry, we won't do it again" isn't acceptable, especially when their owner, Dan Cathy, continues to fund many of the same groups that chik fil a supposedly stopped funding in response to public pressure.
smeg@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 248d
The family who owns most of the shares, and who were the authors of the anti-lgbt donations policies, vowed to replace the company's direct contributions with their own contributions sourced via the company's profits and dividends.
It moved who does the direct donation, but buying from Chick-fil-A still funds anti-lgbt efforts.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 248d
Pretty sure they still sell cut open babies to be eaten, matching their name
village604@adultswim.fan · 0 pts · 248d
Yeah, no. They're not using baby chickens as a source of meat.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 246d
They absolutely are. Same with cows.
How old do you think these animals live until when they're not murdered?
They're all children when they are sent to the slaughter houses.
village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 246d
They're not using chicks for Chick-fil-A nuggets. McDonald's, maybe, but not Chick-fil-A.
The culled males from the egg industry are typically used for animal feed.
Chick-fil-A uses broilers (6-9 weeks old) which is during their teenage stage. Animal maturity stages don't follow the same relative timeline as humans.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 246d
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 246d
9 weeks is a fucking baby. Chickens live long, healthy lives for years
village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 246d
Again, you can't judge animal maturity levels by comparing them to humans.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 248d
too little too late
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 248d
Dramatically proving that most people can't define woke.
varyingExpertise@feddit.org · 8 pts · 247d
"Something I don't like, but I want to make sure my buddies don't ask me to elaborate."
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 247d
It's super-woke to define woke.
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 249d
Is Uline next?
Headofthebored@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 249d
Hell the guy that owns Menards is another disgusting human being who has been associated with Trump for years. Feel like not many people are aware of that.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 12 pts · 249d
How the turns table.
zabadoh@ani.social · 9 pts · 248d
Note: This is not Anthony Perkins, the actor, who died in 1992.
They are not related.
echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 248d
Strangely I didn't actually think it was him to begin with, but I suppose it's good to be thorough.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 247d
Yet somehow this particular Anthony Perkins is more of a ghoul than the dead actor.
ScrambledEggs@lazysoci.al · 8 pts · 249d
Whoever looks to a fastfood company for moral guidance needs to reevaluate their lives.
Don't support hateful groups. Don't support any group in the company's name. Just shut up and serve food.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 247d
Okay, people born before 1980 aren’t allowed to say “Woke” anymore.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 247d
I think it's stupid for anyone to use it at this point. The word has lost all meaning.
Company changed it's signage? It's woke. Didn't like a movie? It's woke. If you disagree with my comment? Believe it or not... woke.
AfroMustache@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 217d
Under racist over racist. Straight to woke
raynethackery@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 249d
Somebody really needs to do a deep dive into this guy's background. There has to be a skeleton, scandal or grift buried there somewhere.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 248d
i mean the splc already did: https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/pair-tony-perkins-associated-politicians-accused-serious-sexual-misconduct/
RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 249d
hmm I say we double boycott it
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 247d
The dude Ben Stiller played in Heavyweights is a real guy? :O