The YouTube channel Red Letter Media has a series of videos on Star Trek and Star Wars. Mostly review/satire/comedy stuff. If I recall correctly, it was in the one of the Star Wars videos was criticizing a part of Star Wars credit to a guy named Rick, but on screen they showed a picture of Rick Berman.
Cue dramatic pause, then the lines "That's the wrong one. What is it with these Ricks"
It's their Mr Plinkett series. They did TNG movies and had long series for the Star Wars Prequel trilogy. The Ricks riff was the fact that Rick Berman was bad for TNG and Rick McCallum was a chump with Star Wars.
Regardless of it's overall dark satire, they really ripped the prequel trilogy to shreds with very accurate, very relevant critiques of story and character faults that CinemaSins could never hold a candle to.
One time I was seated near to Denise on a flight and she was drunk as a LORD, but now I understand it’s probably something Rick did. This was like 2016 and anyway this story has no point
There has been a off-handed remark I heard on The Delta Flyers that Colm must have had so much time off to film other things in his contract and Terry saying that is why they never got to do anything.
EDIT: Basically any time Colm isn’t in an episode of DS9, he was off filming other things.
I remember seeing an interview where she quit because of the grueling schedule where she had to be on set at like 4-5am but had to wait for her scene to be ready. Almost right after the word came out she was regretting her decision.
Now I think Rick might have heard of her complaining and "helped her out"
The way Denise (who knows him better than we do) reacted imo suggests she too thinks he's making shit up (again). But sure, he'd just have to say "sorry, I seem to have misremembered this. In the future, I will try to check with others before I publicly post about distant memories."
because it sounds like "he forced her out somehow and then he was an asshole to her", sort of what happened with farell, but it is a different situation.
Both things can be correct. She felt her like her character wasn't going to go anywhere and was just becoming the "hot blonde" character which she understandably didn't want. That was the show-runners treating her like shit, and her feeling like she wasn't going to become a star there.
Given how Trek has treated women characters up to the current day, I'm not sure she was wrong.
If you're posting about the actions of someone else, and if you're presenting it as fact, then yes.
His memories of an interaction with Crosby do not belong only to him. And she has the right to correct him - especially since the truth makes him out to be far less than he's presenting himself as.
He's still attached to the Trek franchise and benefits if in the public's perception his relationship with cast and crew is seen as friendly. He told this story to shape that perception, to make people say, "aw, cute, she wanted him to have her badge, they must be good friends."
Sometimes people tell themselves a lie so much they actually believe them. Not saying that makes it okay and that he's not an asshole, but he may genuinely believe this.
Don't know about Berman's mental state, but I know of plenty of old people who didn't lose their marbles. My granny for one remembers anything since the dawn of time or at least from her 95 years of living.
Not entirely. I remember there was a neurological study of nuns. The oldest ones were riddled with Alzheimer's, but they had a rich social life. Despite the diagnosis, they were still plenty sharp.
What you actually do in retirement matters a lot too. I noticed a huge difference between one who challenged herself mentally and one who watched TV while drinking beer all day.
Realistically, at old age, your mental state is often tied to physical state. Politicians aren't really the types that go to gym. Well, there's that Schwarzenegger guy
Why would mods remove opinions? I'm allowed to say kids are stupid just as much as elderly are stupid, and humans are stupid. I can't however say that you are stupid as that would suddenly be a direct insult, not an opinion about age group.
I was too lazy to make it but I was thinking earlier today of doing a "I hate nutrek because it's derivative and centrist, you hate it because you are a nazi, we are not the same" meme. (Not that I'm calling you a nazi, this was just an idea I had, not directed at you)
Only idiots dislike it for that reason. I dislike it because of its atrocious writing, and its attempts to be progressive are incredibly shallow because the writers are out of touch hollywood socialites.
I've been rewatching TOS. Atrocious writing, you say?
What do you think is shallow about their attempts at being progressive? Having multiple POC and LGBTQ characters, including a married couple seems like the next logical step for the series and is still fairly progressive for a mainstream sci-fi series. Even The Orville, which I've heard people say is better than nutrek, is barely as progressive as even TNG. What did they do wrong with these characters? Genuinely.
My main issue with nutrek is the melodrama. So many times while watching Discovery my wife and I would be saying to the screen "You're all about to die, you can hug cry and talk later!"
Just having POC and LGBTQ representation isn't all that's needed to deliver a progressive message. You also need to incorporate plotlines that thoughtfully explore themes related to their modern-day struggles. Old trek, namely TNG and DS9, did this well because they had writers that were genuinely progressive for their time (and even for this time if we're being honest) and actually understood the politics. Despite being held back on direct representation (Garak and Bashir), they were still able to get their message across through the plot structure and story beats.
Nutrek goes all-in on representation, but completely falls flat when they attempt to go any deeper because they don't understand the issues.
At the time, very much akin to ceremony. Women are generally treated better these days (but still not like they should be treated), but in the 90s they were very much looked upon like meat with pretty packaging.
That’s actually such a sweet piece of Trek history — props like that are basically “physical memories.” Also, wild how much lore can live in something the size of a coin. 🖖
106 Comments
cybervseas@lemmy.world · 202 pts · 222d
Ugh Rick Berman why are you like this.
sheridan@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 222d
What is it with Ricks?
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 222d
Rick Berman is the worst thing since my son
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 222d
Rick Berman ate all my pizza rolls.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 222d
Email me on my webzone.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 222d
What's wrong with his faaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 222d
I can hear the exact line maybe I watched those videos too often....meh makes me laugh so works for me.
ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 222d
You mean Rick Jr.?
Velypso@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 222d
1
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 222d
And he's back for space balls 2.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 222d
Smokem if you gotem.
It will probably discussion on vape flavors this go round.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 222d
Not for your nation, though.
Velypso@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 222d
1
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 221d
I want to say "treasure to the species" without spelling it as "special treasure" 😭 gawdammit, English.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 220d
All those bad Ricks have to have counterweights lest the world spin off its axis.
Moranis and Astley are such ricks
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 14 pts · 222d
Seeing his name anywhere makes me want to post this reference.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 222d
What's wrong with your faaace?
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 222d
I mean they are Dicks
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 222d
Dick Van Dyke enters the chat
"What was that, friend?"
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 222d
“Dicks. You know….”
“Johnson! You get your…”
“Wang? Yeah I know who he is, he was always a bit of a…”
“Prick? Isn’t that gonna hurt.”
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 222d
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 5 pts · 222d
What do you mean by that?
MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 222d
The YouTube channel Red Letter Media has a series of videos on Star Trek and Star Wars. Mostly review/satire/comedy stuff. If I recall correctly, it was in the one of the Star Wars videos was criticizing a part of Star Wars credit to a guy named Rick, but on screen they showed a picture of Rick Berman.
Cue dramatic pause, then the lines "That's the wrong one. What is it with these Ricks"
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 222d
It's their Mr Plinkett series. They did TNG movies and had long series for the Star Wars Prequel trilogy. The Ricks riff was the fact that Rick Berman was bad for TNG and Rick McCallum was a chump with Star Wars.
Regardless of it's overall dark satire, they really ripped the prequel trilogy to shreds with very accurate, very relevant critiques of story and character faults that CinemaSins could never hold a candle to.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 221d
Link for the unworthy, please. 🙏🏽
Ydna@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 222d
What's wrong with Rick's faaaaace
Kojichan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 221d
Ohhh myyy gaaaaawwwwddddd!
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 222d
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 178 pts · 222d
Technically, her last scenes were in Redemption, as Sela. And her last scenes as Tasha were in Yesterday's Enterprise.
But Rick Berman is, has been, and always will be scum. The way he treated the women on-set was worse than Roddenberry.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 88 pts · 222d
Tasha was in "All Good Things."
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 39 pts · 222d
Right, I forgot! Most of my memory of AGT is just the three-nacelled Enterprise model, the weird commbadges, and the Pasteur,
ShamanRonin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 222d
Her last appearance was Unification part 2
Danarchy@lemmy.nz · 55 pts · 222d
One time I was seated near to Denise on a flight and she was drunk as a LORD, but now I understand it’s probably something Rick did. This was like 2016 and anyway this story has no point
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 221d
Naw, you're humanizing someone we've only seen on a TV screen. That's a good point to make.
Danarchy@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 221d
Fair fair
The other bit I remember is that she had just finished a con and TBF I’d get drunk as hell in first class if I were in her shoes
Greddan@feddit.org · 42 pts · 222d
hopesdead@startrek.website · 80 pts · 222d
Sure but Rick is very well known for how he interacted and treated female cast. Famously most will know of Farrell being fired from DS9.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 222d
Is that why she left DS9? I never new, I thought she quit to do another TV or movie or something.
I don't follow the behind the scenes stuff on trek very closely.. anyone wanna give me a link or a quick summery on Berman's Bullshit?
edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 222d
iirc it's a bit between, she wanted some flexibility in her schedule to pursue other projects while staying on DS9, Berman said "lolno get fucked"
hopesdead@startrek.website · 7 pts · 222d
There has been a off-handed remark I heard on The Delta Flyers that Colm must have had so much time off to film other things in his contract and Terry saying that is why they never got to do anything.
EDIT: Basically any time Colm isn’t in an episode of DS9, he was off filming other things.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 1 pts · 222d
She wanted less time on the series to do other things but Berman did allow it. So she was fired instead.
MisterD@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 222d
I remember seeing an interview where she quit because of the grueling schedule where she had to be on set at like 4-5am but had to wait for her scene to be ready. Almost right after the word came out she was regretting her decision.
Now I think Rick might have heard of her complaining and "helped her out"
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d
If I remember correctly she wanted a reduced schedule, to be a recurring character, but they (Rick?) said no.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 22 pts · 222d
Maybe he shouldn't be making up shit then.
Saapas@piefed.zip · 20 pts · 222d
They're saying this Rick person probably thinks this is what happened
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 35 pts · 222d
The way Denise (who knows him better than we do) reacted imo suggests she too thinks he's making shit up (again). But sure, he'd just have to say "sorry, I seem to have misremembered this. In the future, I will try to check with others before I publicly post about distant memories."
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · -22 pts · 222d
not to defend berman, but:
usernamefactory@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 222d
Why does her leaving voluntarily change things? People who quit a job still deserve respect.
Regardless, I’m more concerned about the original behaviour than whether he remembered it or not. A forgetful asshole is still an asshole.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 222d
because it sounds like "he forced her out somehow and then he was an asshole to her", sort of what happened with farell, but it is a different situation.
PunnyName@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 222d
I'd leave voluntarily if I was being treated like shit, too.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · -11 pts · 222d
except that is not what happened. she left because she felt she is not going to become a star there and she will have bigger chance elsewhere.
nomy@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 222d
Both things can be correct. She felt her like her character wasn't going to go anywhere and was just becoming the "hot blonde" character which she understandably didn't want. That was the show-runners treating her like shit, and her feeling like she wasn't going to become a star there.
Given how Trek has treated women characters up to the current day, I'm not sure she was wrong.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 222d
If you're posting about the actions of someone else, and if you're presenting it as fact, then yes.
His memories of an interaction with Crosby do not belong only to him. And she has the right to correct him - especially since the truth makes him out to be far less than he's presenting himself as.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 222d
that is not what i said though, is it?
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 9 pts · 222d
If they have a history of misremembering and have been called out before, yes. Especially if they're essentially doing PR, like he is doing here.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · -7 pts · 222d
what is he doing PR to? his desk, or that badge?
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 6 pts · 222d
He's still attached to the Trek franchise and benefits if in the public's perception his relationship with cast and crew is seen as friendly. He told this story to shape that perception, to make people say, "aw, cute, she wanted him to have her badge, they must be good friends."
pimento64@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 222d
No, this is a pretty tame level of lying for Rick Berman.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 222d
Sometimes people tell themselves a lie so much they actually believe them. Not saying that makes it okay and that he's not an asshole, but he may genuinely believe this.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 221d
Who gives a fuck.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 221d
...ok.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 221d
You might've not intended to lowkey apologize for his fucknut antics, but the effect persists despite your aim, fellow human. 🫡😅
Kratzkopf@discuss.tchncs.de · 20 pts · 222d
Don't know about Berman's mental state, but I know of plenty of old people who didn't lose their marbles. My granny for one remembers anything since the dawn of time or at least from her 95 years of living.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 222d
Aging really is a game of swings and roundabouts
EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 222d
Not entirely. I remember there was a neurological study of nuns. The oldest ones were riddled with Alzheimer's, but they had a rich social life. Despite the diagnosis, they were still plenty sharp.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 221d
Better.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 221d
What you actually do in retirement matters a lot too. I noticed a huge difference between one who challenged herself mentally and one who watched TV while drinking beer all day.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 221d
i mean i've met quite a few people in their 80s who aren't. no need for that shit here
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 221d
Checks the age of the last 2 POTUS's and half of congress...
hmmm
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 221d
Realistically, at old age, your mental state is often tied to physical state. Politicians aren't really the types that go to gym. Well, there's that Schwarzenegger guy
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 221d
disliking their politics doesn't excuse ageism nor ableism. the fact that y'all jump there so readily and none of the mods do anything is telling.
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 221d
Why would mods remove opinions? I'm allowed to say kids are stupid just as much as elderly are stupid, and humans are stupid. I can't however say that you are stupid as that would suddenly be a direct insult, not an opinion about age group.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 222d
Meanwhile every YouTube commenter screaming to bring this creepazoid back 👀👀👀
Taleya@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 222d
It's the only one they can remember
sirblastalot@ttrpg.network · 7 pts · 222d
People are asking for RICK BERMAN back!? Is this a mirrorverse thing?
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 222d
Idk people or bots maybe really hate Kurtzman
sirblastalot@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 221d
Ohhhh they hate nutrek, got it.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 221d
I mean, don't you? It's got uhm... checks notes woke and DEI all in it.
sirblastalot@ttrpg.network · 7 pts · 221d
I was too lazy to make it but I was thinking earlier today of doing a "I hate nutrek because it's derivative and centrist, you hate it because you are a nazi, we are not the same" meme. (Not that I'm calling you a nazi, this was just an idea I had, not directed at you)
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 221d
Only idiots dislike it for that reason. I dislike it because of its atrocious writing, and its attempts to be progressive are incredibly shallow because the writers are out of touch hollywood socialites.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 221d
I've been rewatching TOS. Atrocious writing, you say?
What do you think is shallow about their attempts at being progressive? Having multiple POC and LGBTQ characters, including a married couple seems like the next logical step for the series and is still fairly progressive for a mainstream sci-fi series. Even The Orville, which I've heard people say is better than nutrek, is barely as progressive as even TNG. What did they do wrong with these characters? Genuinely. My main issue with nutrek is the melodrama. So many times while watching Discovery my wife and I would be saying to the screen "You're all about to die, you can hug cry and talk later!"
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 221d
Just having POC and LGBTQ representation isn't all that's needed to deliver a progressive message. You also need to incorporate plotlines that thoughtfully explore themes related to their modern-day struggles. Old trek, namely TNG and DS9, did this well because they had writers that were genuinely progressive for their time (and even for this time if we're being honest) and actually understood the politics. Despite being held back on direct representation (Garak and Bashir), they were still able to get their message across through the plot structure and story beats.
Nutrek goes all-in on representation, but completely falls flat when they attempt to go any deeper because they don't understand the issues.
sirblastalot@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 221d
Disco lost me when I got to the episode where everyone is going to die unless the main character cAn tAlK tO a bOy aT tHe dAnCe!
Lower Decks was fun though. And I've watched like, 1 episode of SNW but it was a good pilot. Haven't plumbed the depths of the rest of nutrek yet.
rowrowrowyourboat@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 222d
*Unceremoniously.
PodPerson@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 222d
How do you know though? Maybe he did it quite ceremoniously just to be an asshole and rub it in?
PunnyName@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 222d
At the time, very much akin to ceremony. Women are generally treated better these days (but still not like they should be treated), but in the 90s they were very much looked upon like meat with pretty packaging.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 222d
He had both hands on her tits didn't he?
homes@piefed.world · 14 pts · 222d
So, Dick, how long did it take you to dig it out of your ass?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 222d
dint she regret leaving TNG. she was killed again by stewie with a klingon disrupter later on.
Marinatorres@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 222d
That’s actually such a sweet piece of Trek history — props like that are basically “physical memories.” Also, wild how much lore can live in something the size of a coin. 🖖
PixelPinecone@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 218d
Bruh. Couldn’t be more bot than this
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 222d
haven't watched star trek
should I???
sirblastalot@ttrpg.network · 28 pts · 222d
Nah, no one here likes that show.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 222d
is this sarcasm?
I'm dum
sirblastalot@ttrpg.network · 11 pts · 221d
Yes
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 222d
That's bait
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 221d
Take it