Edit: I want to expand on this. The Federal agent was standing on the driver's side, in front of the vehicle. If you're trying to hit someone with your car, you would turn the wheel in the direction of where that person is standing. When Renee turns her wheel, she turns it in the opposite direction. He's standing on her left side, she turns the wheel to her right. The agent is well aware of this, which is why he never really makes an effort to get out of the way.
In general, he does not act like someone who thinks they are in imminent danger of being hit by a car. Shooting into the vehicle is no guarantee of stopping the vehicle from hitting you, so if he actually feared getting hit, he would have made a greater effort to get out of the way. Instead he stands nearly still, only moving slightly. This agent never really feared for his life or felt that there was any real threat.
Agree. The video CLEARLY shows the tires turned away from the ski mask wearing goons forcing their way into her stopped vehicle. She was in danger from the start and ice actions only proved it.
Yeah, my ex told the police I ran her over with my car when I was trying to get away from her as she tried to break my window with a brick. Thankfully he saw my tire marks moving away and the fast she didn't have a mark on her.
It's as obvious as can be that she was trying to get away because she knew she'd be taken to a gulag if they kidnapped her. The murderer was angry that she was trying to escape and casually shot her in the face multiple times because he knew that he has carte blanche to murder anyone who resists the regime. Also predictably, the regime gave a completely false version of events so the lie can be parroted endlessly by their cultists.
I didn't want to know what it was like to live in Russia.
I suspect that depending on the era in Soviet history, guys like this would be held more accountable than we currently do for cops and feds. The Kremlin wouldn’t be okay with subordinates just willy-nilly murdering people, they gave orders on who to murder.
I doubt she even knew there was someone in front of her car as she was probably focusing on the camouflaged man with a gun trying to open her car door.
If you don't want to get run over, don't stand in the line of fire. We learn that when we ride the bus and cross the road behind rather than in front of the bus
It's helped to be having these conversations on social networks where everyone feels compelled to say "no that's crazy talk, violence is bad" and comments that say otherwise just go missing.
Full disclosure, I'm also not American. But I was thinking of the Patriot Act, which IMO was a huge power grab by the Executive Branch and paved the way for a lot of the problems (especially widespread indiscriminate surveillance) that are present today.
It's up to the Americans of course, and I remember there being protests about it, but I was really surprised they just let that go on without getting rowdy.
Two weeks ago somebody blasted a van through the front door of the Target near me late at night and stole a bunch of shit. They got away. I was extremely disappointed that I was not involved.
Pretty sure a few auto drive Teslas have actually ran people over does this mean he's saying he's up for summary execution because that's kinda what it sounds like.
But I thought she was a scary domestic terrorist who was going for the poor widdle scared ICE agent. Which is it Musk? She can't be both trying to flee and trying to kill that guy.
Also, if she was running why did she need to be shot three times in the face? That level of disgraceful aggression was completely uncalled for.
And do ya think that regardless maybe she was a bit preoccupied by the thug who was at her window physically harassing her?
You'd think that with all his reputed technical chops, Elon would be capable of looking at the several videos that recorded what really happened. Tech fraud or just plaid dishonest nazi?
Back in 2020, my racist uncle's big rebuttal to BLM was that some protestors pulled a dude out of a car and beat the shit out of him. This was after he drove his car into the protest. In trying to find a link to this story, I found this.
I'll tell my uncle that next time they should just shoot the driver.
Maybe it's my looney toons brain speaking but isn't shooting tires a thing when trying to neutralize a vehicle rather than the driver?
So if I was a law enforcing officer I would prioritize life and unless the driver was a confirmed terrorist or confirmed to be on it's way to commit an act of terror I would probably try anything else but shoot the driver?
That's the scenario when the driver is actually trying to run me over, not the one where the driver is trying to get away from me.
Because in the case of someone trying to get away from me with their own car, isn't it what license plates are for?
Even if we entertain the farcical notion that this was the truth which I'm not convinced it is, at this point I would legitimately consider any ICE agent an immediate threat to my life.
That's the excuse that police officers routinely use when they murder somebody, crazy huh? Really makes you think.
It fucks me up so bad the actual jackbooted thugs are just kind of all over the country now and it is absolutely possible that any one of us could be the next headline when some goon decides to try to flex his non-existent legal authority and kill you for trying to flee from danger.
Like fuck me man, if I was in that woman's position I probably would have done something similar and also been shot in the head three times. Some fucko with a lethal weapon trying to rip me out of my car? Yeah I'm fuckin gassing it man.
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TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world · 149 pts · 218d
No she didn't.
Edit: I want to expand on this. The Federal agent was standing on the driver's side, in front of the vehicle. If you're trying to hit someone with your car, you would turn the wheel in the direction of where that person is standing. When Renee turns her wheel, she turns it in the opposite direction. He's standing on her left side, she turns the wheel to her right. The agent is well aware of this, which is why he never really makes an effort to get out of the way.
In general, he does not act like someone who thinks they are in imminent danger of being hit by a car. Shooting into the vehicle is no guarantee of stopping the vehicle from hitting you, so if he actually feared getting hit, he would have made a greater effort to get out of the way. Instead he stands nearly still, only moving slightly. This agent never really feared for his life or felt that there was any real threat.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 23 pts · 218d
Agree. The video CLEARLY shows the tires turned away from the ski mask wearing goons forcing their way into her stopped vehicle. She was in danger from the start and ice actions only proved it.
femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 218d
Yeah, my ex told the police I ran her over with my car when I was trying to get away from her as she tried to break my window with a brick. Thankfully he saw my tire marks moving away and the fast she didn't have a mark on her.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 218d
It's as obvious as can be that she was trying to get away because she knew she'd be taken to a gulag if they kidnapped her. The murderer was angry that she was trying to escape and casually shot her in the face multiple times because he knew that he has carte blanche to murder anyone who resists the regime. Also predictably, the regime gave a completely false version of events so the lie can be parroted endlessly by their cultists.
I didn't want to know what it was like to live in Russia.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 218d
I suspect that depending on the era in Soviet history, guys like this would be held more accountable than we currently do for cops and feds. The Kremlin wouldn’t be okay with subordinates just willy-nilly murdering people, they gave orders on who to murder.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 218d
Yeah, I'm thinking modern Russia in this case.
Geobloke@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 218d
I doubt she even knew there was someone in front of her car as she was probably focusing on the camouflaged man with a gun trying to open her car door.
If you don't want to get run over, don't stand in the line of fire. We learn that when we ride the bus and cross the road behind rather than in front of the bus
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 96 pts · 218d
Don't his cars do that by themselves
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 218d
Yeah. I guess he'd be the expert.
sexy_peach@feddit.org · 76 pts · 218d
Let's be honest it's time to riot in the US
victorz@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 218d
IMO it's been time.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 218d
It's helped to be having these conversations on social networks where everyone feels compelled to say "no that's crazy talk, violence is bad" and comments that say otherwise just go missing.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 218d
Since like 2002 TBH
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 218d
That's quite far back, I was but a youngster/teenager and I'm not from America. What made rioting warranted back in 2002?
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 217d
Full disclosure, I'm also not American. But I was thinking of the Patriot Act, which IMO was a huge power grab by the Executive Branch and paved the way for a lot of the problems (especially widespread indiscriminate surveillance) that are present today.
It's up to the Americans of course, and I remember there being protests about it, but I was really surprised they just let that go on without getting rowdy.
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 218d
That's exactly what Trump wants though. Riots>martial law>elections cancelled.
neoinvin@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 218d
he's going to do that regardless. might as well get a riot out of it
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 218d
You tell me when and where and I'll burn some shit to the ground. I wanna loot a Target too. Fuck Target.
aislopmukbang@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 218d
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 218d
Two weeks ago somebody blasted a van through the front door of the Target near me late at night and stole a bunch of shit. They got away. I was extremely disappointed that I was not involved.
krigo666@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 218d
This comming from an equal fascist piece of shit as the murderer.
Thorry@feddit.org · 42 pts · 218d
We weren't asking your input Musk...
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 218d
This is Elon's #1 problem. This motherfucker thinks we give a shit about what he's got to say.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 218d
Hey, now, come on. All the Musk Dickrider bots he bought for use as most of his followers (so he can pretend they're real people) love him.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 218d
Pretty sure a few auto drive Teslas have actually ran people over does this mean he's saying he's up for summary execution because that's kinda what it sounds like.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 218d
https://apnews.com/article/tesla-full-self-driving-investigation-pedestrian-killed-f2121166d60d85bd173a734c91049e73
go on
what should happen to things that try to hit people with cars ?
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 16 pts · 218d
She wasn't, and if it were one of your shitty cars it would have tried to do so itself.
whitecollarcry@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 218d
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 218d
This makes me wonder what one of his self-driving cars would've done in this situation
Serinus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 218d
Well, the ICE did absolutely nothing to stop the car, and it didn't run him over.
So was he really in any danger at all?
If I choose to stand on a train platform when a train is coming, am I in danger?
tonytins@pawb.social · 12 pts · 218d
Now do Trump, Elon.
Shamber@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 218d
Anyone going to put him down like the rabid dog he is soon?
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 218d
where do I find him
Shamber@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 218d
Probably bought the Epstine island and doing billionaire atrocities there
deacon@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 218d
Precisely as erudite as you would expect from him.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 218d
Buy a Tesla today! People will see you driving it and say "what a total asshole!".
dellish@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 218d
Hey, Teslas are good at running people over too!
pipi1234@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 217d
You have to be blind to think he was in danger.
Out of the car's way, and wheels are turned in his opposite direction.
No intention to "ram into him" whatsoever.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 218d
Guys I’m starting to think I can’t support any of Musks businesses or stated and implied positions and actions.
Maybe I’m just dehydrated.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 218d
But I thought she was a scary domestic terrorist who was going for the poor widdle scared ICE agent. Which is it Musk? She can't be both trying to flee and trying to kill that guy.
Also, if she was running why did she need to be shot three times in the face? That level of disgraceful aggression was completely uncalled for.
And do ya think that regardless maybe she was a bit preoccupied by the thug who was at her window physically harassing her?
Edit: typo
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 218d
Elon: Don't believe your eyes.
Bwaz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 218d
You'd think that with all his reputed technical chops, Elon would be capable of looking at the several videos that recorded what really happened. Tech fraud or just plaid dishonest nazi?
Boppel@feddit.org · 5 pts · 218d
"... and hurting, killing and torturing people is bad if you aren't republican"
solomonschuler@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 218d
notsosure@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 218d
Little Mussolini.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 218d
not even Mussolini deserved that.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 218d
Stupid Nazi got in front of car.
ch00f@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 218d
Back in 2020, my racist uncle's big rebuttal to BLM was that some protestors pulled a dude out of a car and beat the shit out of him. This was after he drove his car into the protest. In trying to find a link to this story, I found this.
I'll tell my uncle that next time they should just shoot the driver.
VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 218d
Maybe it's my looney toons brain speaking but isn't shooting tires a thing when trying to neutralize a vehicle rather than the driver?
So if I was a law enforcing officer I would prioritize life and unless the driver was a confirmed terrorist or confirmed to be on it's way to commit an act of terror I would probably try anything else but shoot the driver?
That's the scenario when the driver is actually trying to run me over, not the one where the driver is trying to get away from me.
Because in the case of someone trying to get away from me with their own car, isn't it what license plates are for?
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 3 pts · 218d
She didn't.
But even then, I thought these guys were all about running people over if they step in front of cars?
Aeri@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 216d
Even if we entertain the farcical notion that this was the truth which I'm not convinced it is, at this point I would legitimately consider any ICE agent an immediate threat to my life.
That's the excuse that police officers routinely use when they murder somebody, crazy huh? Really makes you think.
It fucks me up so bad the actual jackbooted thugs are just kind of all over the country now and it is absolutely possible that any one of us could be the next headline when some goon decides to try to flex his non-existent legal authority and kill you for trying to flee from danger.
Like fuck me man, if I was in that woman's position I probably would have done something similar and also been shot in the head three times. Some fucko with a lethal weapon trying to rip me out of my car? Yeah I'm fuckin gassing it man.