Wine fans have a reason to smile today. Wine 11.0 is finally here, and it is a big deal for anyone running Windows software on Linux. After a full year of work, more than six thousand code changes, and hundreds of bug fixes, Wine is moving forward in a way that feels like a turning point. This release tightens up major subsystems, improves performance, expands hardware support, and carries a big win for compatibility. If you have been waiting for Wine to feel smoother and a little less fussy, 11.0 might be the moment you jump back in.
Wine 11 brings huge WoW64 overhaul, NTSYNC boost, and better gaming on Linux
https://nerds.xyz/2026/01/wine-11-linux-windows/
79 Comments
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de · 124 pts · 222d
Still one of my favourite WTF moments for Windows.
Whats in the System32 folder? 64 bit dlls. Whats in SysWOW64? 32 bit dlls.
Yes I know that WOW64 stands for WindowsOnWindows64 but its still hilariously misleading.
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 82 pts · 222d
Everything about windows is misleading. There are windows settings that require doing some sort of an windows inception where you open one settings to go deeper into an older version of the same settings to go deeper into an even older version of the same settings until you reach something that was designed for Windows 98 and actually works. With every newer windows version the settings become only more and more convoluted. Thank god I've switched to Linux as my daily driver.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 221d
The problem of graphical settings. Needs more work, quickly gets confusing, ages badly. A fine .cfg from 1980 is still a fine .cfg now. It's place in the FS hierarchy might have changed but that's not a concern of the .cfg.
orochi02@feddit.org · 14 pts · 221d
Why not both? A frontend for a cfg file for convenience and flexibility
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 221d
Sure, yes. Even in games, it's a nice thing if you can set some engine options or custom resolutions not represented in the GUI.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 221d
The boring answer is that it is more work and most FOSS developers are volunteers.
dx1@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 220d
There's really no excuse, proper project management would have replaced the UI and verified the new version included all the old functionality, organized well together with whatever new functionality they added. I think they were trying to keep old hats happy with the changes by letting them keep their old version, but it's better to just rip the band-aid off if you're gonna change it, now it's a mess for everyone.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 220d
Ah, Microsoft-specific, i think it's mostly because of their 10+ UI frameworks.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 4 pts · 221d
ah yes. going through windows white papers and one says something is impossible but you find the other that says how to do it. fun times.
Minnels@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 221d
This is what brought me over the edge to switch to Linux. Been over 8 months now. Can dual boot but only booted windows once since.
Wfh@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 221d
I mean, could you trust a company that created a Linux container subsystem for Windows and named it Windows Subsystem for Linux to name things correctly?
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 220d
Windows has subsystems. They're called Windows Subsystems. This one's for Linux. However you slice it, the initialism has to have WS in it.
LeFantome@programming.dev · 5 pts · 220d
People do not realize that Windows has, and has had, other subsystems. So the name seems dumb.
When you realize that as far back as 1993 there was:
then Subsystem for Linux does not seems as crazy.
Having “for Windows” at the end sounds natural if you only have one but putting saying “Windows subsystem for” makes more sense when you realize there are a bunch of them.
Regardless, the decision was made 30 years ago and not recently as people assume.
Vinapocalypse@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 220d
"Linux on Windows Subsystem" or "Windows Subsystem: Linux" or "Lin4Win" anything would be better
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 220d
It's not the 'Linux on' subsystem, it's the 'Linux on Windows' subsystem, so it'd have to be Linux on Windows Windows Subsystem, which would be silly. It can't have a colon in it as some command-line tools take a subsystem as an argument, and traditionally, Windows command-line tools have used colons the same way Unix has used equals, i.e. to separate an argument name from its value, and parsing that gets harder when you're expecting colons in the value, too.
Heavybell@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
I have had situations where I've explained this multiple times to people while helping them manually install the DXVK Async fork into their wine prefix and they still get it backwards.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 105 pts · 222d
Stahp, my games already perform better on linux with wine then they did on windows at this rate…
Actually please keep going !!!
evol@lemmy.today · 49 pts · 222d
Are you tired of winning yet
Cavemanfreak@programming.dev · 16 pts · 221d
mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 221d
Sigh, you missed the obvious pun: would you like some cheese with your wine?
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 221d
My steak is too juicy and my lobster too buttery 😭
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 65 pts · 221d
BOOOO
:D
yeather@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 221d
Sir, they hit the second penguin!
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 221d
richardisaguy@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 221d
Does wine 11 support copilot?
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social · 47 pts · 221d
You’ll need to wait for Wine 12 Copilot Plus edition featuring Clippy.
Exec@pawb.social · 9 pts · 221d
Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
& Knuckles
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social · 5 pts · 221d
Sorry, haven't you heard the news?
It's Copointe from the Copilot May Cry+ franchise now. Microsoft rebranded it.
Sega will be renamed to Zune.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 221d
Sega isn't owned by Microsoft, is it? Last I remember it's owned by Sammy.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social · 6 pts · 221d
There's no merger or acquisition off the table from us regulations right now.
Just wait until your S90Copilot+ is showing you popup notifications from your Copilot Washer and Copilot Dryer.
Before you know it... copilot.ml
This message brought to you by Pepsi. Did you realize our formula was created by Copilot? That's why it tastes so great and is the world's #1 beverage!
nieceandtows@programming.dev · 10 pts · 221d
There is currently no way to remove copilot in Wine 11
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 221d
Luckily there is no way to install it either.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 221d
Avenging5@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 220d
lol
planish@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 221d
Still waiting on the improvements to
BACKSTREET_BOYSto get merged.InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 221d
So the * in N*SYNC stood for a T all this time?
planish@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 221d
Why do you think people got so into T posing?
mub@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 220d
It's a wildcard, but T seems obvious to me.
ErenOnizuka@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 220d
Context pls?
planish@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 216d
How the Backstreet Boys Taught me to Code
ErenOnizuka@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 216d
Skimmed through the text. What does it have to do with the topic here - WINE?
planish@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 215d
I saw
NTSYNCand was obligated to reply with the complementary 90s boy band.HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 221d
Broke (cause you have to pay): Win11
Woke: Wine11
seapat@feddit.org · 14 pts · 221d
cost is one of my least concerns with win11 nowadays
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 221d
Pirating windows is so easy and it improves privacy there is 0 reason not to.
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 221d
Thats like saying getting herpes is cheap so you might as well get it
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 219d
I daily drive a linux distro I 100% agree that windows is much worse than windows. I was saying that pirating windows is better than paying for it. Still doesn't come close to trumping linux though.
bw42@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 222d
Already downloaded and built it on Slackware.
Was able to get Fallout 3 running on it without mods or community patches. Working fairly well, as long as its run windowed fullscreen I can tab out and back without it crashing.
Damage@feddit.it · 6 pts · 222d
I remember playing Fallout 3 through wine on my Macbook Pro ages ago, it worked ok but crashed often. Well, given the circumstances it was more than good enough.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 222d
It crashed a lot when I played it on windows too. I tried playing it a couple of times, but always gave up partway through because it kept crashing. There are some mods that are supposed to help with stability, I should try it again and see if they fix it.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 221d
I remember on launch it was a fucking miracle if the PC version could get past the intro screen. The fact that it’s remotely stable now is a bloody miracle.
hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 221d
are you using -current or 15.0?
bw42@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 221d
-current
Updated it right before I built Wine.
Using the Steam release of Fallout 3 goty. Created a clean wine prefix, configured it for Windows 7. Installed .Net 3.5 sp1 and Visual C++ runtimes for 2008 and 2010 just in case. Installed latest DXVK with winetricks. Modified the system.reg with regedit to add key and string for the installed path.
After that I was able to run the Launcher, set it to windowed and launch it.
Have spent about 5 hours so far on current play through. Has crashed a couple of times.
olenkoVD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 221d
I read that as Windows 11 at first and I was confused to see that Microsoft actually updated the kernel code.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 220d
Wine has saved my classic gaming expeirience. I was about to spend hundreds to get my old windows xp computer new hard drives and adapters for the IDE, etc.
Then i screwed around with wine and installed my first game and it plays better than windows. Linux for life!
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 221d
Would love to see work on getting broader application support like for microsoft office.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 14 pts · 221d
this is always going to be the toughest as the developer is known for not wanting their things to work or be compatible even with standards they publish.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 221d
Office 2010 is all you really need. Hell Microsoft is trying to make everything electron apps anyway. So we'll get full (current year) office running on Linux soon, for better or for worse.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 220d
I have been doing fine with libre office. I mostly do doc and send as pdf. If they ask for word format I save it as such and send it to them. spreadsheet and slides I don't share. Granted at workplaces I use whatever they give me to use on my work machine.
Freakazoid@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 221d
Anyone knows if vsts work in this version?
My wine is currently being helt at version 9.21 due to some bugs in newer versions.
Malix@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 221d
While I don't specifically know about version 11(EDIT: now I do!), but I've been running windows daw + vst's on wine 9-10.?? for ages. Using Renoise + bunch of different vst's (mix of vst2 and vst3), all of them seem to work just fine. I did have to install dxvk to the wineprefix to get the ui of some plugins to work, but they do work fine(ish) with it.Now, the thing I have NOT tested is ilok drm. So far I've managed to do with plugins which don't use it.
I see wine 11 is already in my distro's testing repos. Aggressive waiting starts.
edit: for clarification, preset dropdown menu's from one specific plugin vendor (solemntones) vst's needs to be click/dragged the right way, otherwise they seem to not work. Bit annoying, but otherwise my plugins work.
edit: seems to work just as well on wine 11. But sample size = me & my vst/vsti's.
underscores@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 221d
what's the latency like ?
Malix@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 220d
I've set it to 16ms in renoise, not 100% how accurate that is but audio doesn't crackle and jamming on vsti's doesn't seem to have noticeable input delay. I don't have any actual instruments to test.
underscores@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 220d
16ms would be too laggy to play actual instruments sadly, is it possible for you to set it to 4ms?
Malix@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 219d
apparently renoise doesn't allow values less than 5ms... which also seems to work just fine, huh.
ASIO doesn't seem to want to work, and it doesn't do anything for me anyway, I've been more than kontent with the DirectSound (I have no idea what wine 9/10/11 does with it under the hood, plays fine through pipewire & my virtual devices) - and renoise isn't really a traditional daw anyway, it can record instruments for sure, but it's more of a old-skool tracker with vst/vsti and daw-like automation.
edit: "kontent".. my kde-isms peaking through. heh.
edit2: ffwiw: when I last used renoise on this same machine on win10, I absolutely could not have set the latency below 20ms, even a single instrument of any kind would immediately crackle.
underscores@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 219d
I imagine some vsts do not play nice with low latency but I use low latency piano vsts (kontakt, Ravenscroft 275)
In pipewire I had to use Jack to lower the latency as pulse and alsa were too laggy for playing instruments
melfie@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 221d
Freakazoid@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 212d
Thats very helpful thanks, I haven't checked Lemmy Ina while sonsorry for the late reaction. My Archbrepo doesn't have wine 11 available just jet but once itbis I will try it out.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 221d
Can’t wait to try steam and see what games can play. Been having a hard time trying to get anything to work.
nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de · 17 pts · 221d
really? my games just work. 3 years ago i still had to invest time into debugging/tweaking, just last month i installed 3 random games from my steam library and they all just worked out of the box.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 221d
My setup is a Mac M4 Max with wine and or crossover out of the box. Maybe I didn’t config it before using?
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 221d
I thought at first you were a time traveller from 2009 or something but I totally forgot wine runs on mac
notthebees@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 221d
I know macs are a little more different than normal arm CPUs with page size etc. Don't you need fex or box64?
NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 221d
The Mac ecosystem has its own set of tooling for this. It uses Apple’s Rosetta 2 for x86 to ARM translation, and their Game Porting Toolkit (GPTK) for DX12 to Metal (Apple’s proprietary graphics API) translation.
(Should note that Asahi doesn’t have full support for M4 Macs yet so I’m assuming they’re on MacOS)
notthebees@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 221d
Oh yeah, I forgot about Rosetta 2.
nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 221d
I admit I bought AMD graphics and use a distribution that is said to be good for gaming (cachyos) to save me some trouble. and I did not test on very recent titles (I dont own/play those)
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 222d
Anyone know if this can already be updated to with home brew on Mac,
I use wine for Sumatrapdf
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 221d
Is Sumatrapdf bad on wine?
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 221d
It works, but the toolbar is partially covered by the toolbar at the top of the app window.
It occasionally locked up but that like a once a week thing.
BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social · 2 pts · 221d
I wonder if this will work on Debian 12. I need a version of excel to work (for VBA) and it's a bit slow in Gnome Boxes.
kali_fornication@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d
Linux gaming? I just play HKIA on my macbook
melfie@lemy.lol · -1 pts · 221d