You need to sign up for a 3 year subscription to be put on the waiting list for the product that will be ready in 5 years after you subscribed. If you don't renew after the first 3 years you lose your spot and need to reapply.
To be fair, he's a genius in continuesly scamming people without losing their faith in him. Although it's less geniusness and more stupidity of other people. Yeah he's not a genius, he's a scammer. Not even an artist at it.
Kinda a crazy move considering that they were charging 8k for "fsd" before, and are moving to a monthly subscription of a hundred bucks a month.
You would have to own your Tesla for six and a half years for them to make the same return. My guess is that the hundred dollars a month is just the initial price which will drastically inflate over time. That or they are just going to raise prices by 8k and still charge you a subscription cost anyways....
the problem is it's non-transferrable, so if you want to sell the car (or totaled it) before ~6 years you would lose money compared to paying $100/month.
Oh that's just another nail in the coffin of me EVER buying a Tesla
If it was transferable like idk, any other option you get on your car, the 8k price tag could at least be offset by like 20-50% by the car having better value when selling it on. This way it's just... Wtf. Imagine paying 8k and then selling the car after a year and the next person has to pay 8k too.
100 bucks a month starting to seem reasonable in comparison indeed
At one point they were charging $15k for it, and Elmo was claiming it would go to $100k in its final form. You know, when it actually fucking worked. Which it never will.
I bought it for my Tesla (back when I had it) for $2500. Shitty decision, but I believed the hype. Can’t wait to get my $5 check from the class action suit.
Nah, I suspect nobody was buying the feature. They may increase the price if they get it to truly work, but I suspect a hundred odd a month is what most people are willing to pay.
Yes, I suspect this is a chas flow thing. Their sales are dropping. The feature is there, sonit costs nothing to give it. See if they can milk a few dollars. Even if it makes less money on the long term, it might stop the share price crashing in the medium or short term.
On Tesla’s third-quarter earnings call in October, CFO Vaibhav Taneja said that “the total paid FSD customer base is still small, around 12% of our current fleet.”
Gonna be lower soon. LoL 😂
How is this fool a billionaire? Oh, yeah. Peter Thiel using him as a distraction.
You short Tesla stock? Have you ever timed it and made a profit on it? I know there's been pockets that it could have been profitable to you. But seems to me that you'd just be feeding money to actual shareholders.
So if your subscription runs out while driving does the Tesla just stop on the road or does it immediately drive back to the dealership till you pay it?
Wasn't it already? Fucking Tesla is so damn confusing on how the hell this shit works. Every 2 months it changes, price changes, how the use it changes, and if they even get it. God I'm so glad I wouldn't ever buy one of those shit boxes.
I was in my friend's Tesla the other day, and she couldn't figure out which button to push to get the glove box open. There is no handle. Just a screen with a GUI that has menus with a glove box button.
I was like wtf. I'm so pissed about my old car with too many buttons for the air conditioner. That was the most infuriating looking car I've ever seen. Guess she got it before the Nazi salute for tax write off.
Who is using self-driving mode? And why? When you add price of a self-driving car + (now) subscription, it is cheaper to use some public transport, bus/train/taxi/uber/..
It's a weird move because Tesla was receiving nearly 7 years of $99/month up front if people gave it to them, while being as slow as they want in reaching their promises. So, either they are worried that they will be forced to give refunds for underwhelming service, or they are planning massive monthly fee increases. It's probably the latter to their credit. Robotaxi fee would be a normal high fee.
Kind of makes sense. If I had a Tesla, I might consider grabbing it for a month if I were going on a road trip to reduce the driving load.
It also lets people test it every once in a while to see if it actually works. Based on a ride I had in one a few months ago, it still has quite a bit to go.
I would be most concerned about them increasing prices over time. $100/month isn't too bad, but I'm sure it will increase to well over double that over the next few years.
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StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org · 152 pts · 214d
I would think they first would have to actually release the feature.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 53 pts · 214d
And I would think that before releasing the feature they'd have to get it to stop constantly crashibg cars into large stationary objects.
It's probably vibe-coded.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 18 pts · 214d
You misunderstand. The subscription is to get permission to drive your own car. Self driving slop is going to be the default.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 213d
Surely you jest.
hummingbird@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 214d
Apparently we live in a reality in which you don't need to have a product in order make it shit anymore.
SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 214d
Star Citizen says hi
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 214d
Star citizen is very playable right now, which is more than can be said for the full self driving
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 213d
Yeah, it is an incredible vitual storefront. So many ways to spend money.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 213d
With no requirement to do so, even the largest ship you can earn ingame with about 500 hours of gameplay
amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 214d
You need to sign up for a 3 year subscription to be put on the waiting list for the product that will be ready in 5 years after you subscribed. If you don't renew after the first 3 years you lose your spot and need to reapply.
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 214d
yeah the self driving has not been approved anywhere yet. this is "supervised" only
this just the first step of burying the failure
Dogiedog64@lemmy.world · 87 pts · 214d
Anyone who still thinks he's a genius should be mocked mercilessly.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 214d
To be fair, he's a genius in continuesly scamming people without losing their faith in him. Although it's less geniusness and more stupidity of other people. Yeah he's not a genius, he's a scammer. Not even an artist at it.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 214d
Surprised it didn't happen sooner.
And on that note, I would absolutely download a car.
kn33@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 214d
Well, I wouldn't download this car.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 34 pts · 214d
Kinda a crazy move considering that they were charging 8k for "fsd" before, and are moving to a monthly subscription of a hundred bucks a month.
You would have to own your Tesla for six and a half years for them to make the same return. My guess is that the hundred dollars a month is just the initial price which will drastically inflate over time. That or they are just going to raise prices by 8k and still charge you a subscription cost anyways....
the_tab_key@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 214d
Or you get more people buying in. 8k up front looks a lot different than a couple hundred a month.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 214d
I'd rather just pay it once and have it.
Like video games. Just let me pay money for the whole game.
trougnouf@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 214d
Rational people don't buy Teslas.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 214d
the problem is it's non-transferrable, so if you want to sell the car (or totaled it) before ~6 years you would lose money compared to paying $100/month.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 213d
Oh that's just another nail in the coffin of me EVER buying a Tesla
If it was transferable like idk, any other option you get on your car, the 8k price tag could at least be offset by like 20-50% by the car having better value when selling it on. This way it's just... Wtf. Imagine paying 8k and then selling the car after a year and the next person has to pay 8k too.
100 bucks a month starting to seem reasonable in comparison indeed
XLE@piefed.social · 4 pts · 213d
What? Purchasing a premium package for your car vanishes when it transfers to a new owner?
If you buy a premium trim, it doesn't vanish if you resell the car.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 213d
the hardware is there regardless of trim. you are paying for the right to use the hardware already in the car you purchased.
Honytawk@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 213d
Wouldn't the car sell for more because of the extra features?
YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 213d
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 214d
At one point they were charging $15k for it, and Elmo was claiming it would go to $100k in its final form. You know, when it actually fucking worked. Which it never will.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 214d
They seem to be dropping the price until they find a price point where a decent percentage of their users will actually pay for the service.
If the system was genuinely self driving, as in the vehicle could run unattended, it would be worth having.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 214d
I bought it for my Tesla (back when I had it) for $2500. Shitty decision, but I believed the hype. Can’t wait to get my $5 check from the class action suit.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 214d
Except for they don't have the hardware to do that reliably since musk goes for cheapest parts possible and removes redundancy
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 214d
Nah, I suspect nobody was buying the feature. They may increase the price if they get it to truly work, but I suspect a hundred odd a month is what most people are willing to pay.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 214d
Yes, I suspect this is a chas flow thing. Their sales are dropping. The feature is there, sonit costs nothing to give it. See if they can milk a few dollars. Even if it makes less money on the long term, it might stop the share price crashing in the medium or short term.
Jayve@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 213d
If you buy a Tesla you deserve a Tesla.
devolution@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 214d
$99 dollars a month to kill yourself. Shit, I can commit suicide for free.
qbus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 213d
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 18 pts · 214d
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 214d
Then first create the full self driving that you have lied about already existing for the past decade
Maeve@kbin.earth · 17 pts · 214d
🤣🤣🤣
tonywu@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 214d
Tesla: subscribe to your own demise.
garretble@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 213d
I feel so dumb over here having paid off my current car and giving no subscription money to anyone to use all the features of my car. I'm a fool!
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 213d
Gonna be lower soon. LoL 😂
How is this fool a billionaire? Oh, yeah. Peter Thiel using him as a distraction.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 212d
and putin found another useful idiot.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 213d
You have got to be a goddamn moron to buy a Tesla.
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 213d
Another Musk business model that'll die... But not before he grifts stupid shareholders...
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 4 pts · 213d
Well you know, you gotta phase these things out before sweeping them under the rug.
If you cut it off cold turkey everyone will be like “I did Natzi that one coming”.
deHaga@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 212d
I do like shorting Tesla, it's expensive, but it just feels good
LordFireCrotch@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 212d
You short Tesla stock? Have you ever timed it and made a profit on it? I know there's been pockets that it could have been profitable to you. But seems to me that you'd just be feeding money to actual shareholders.
deHaga@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 212d
I buy very cheap, very long dated puts and am happy to pay the premium
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 214d
Didn't need another reason not to buy a Tesla but I've got one.
Gathorall@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 213d
Can you opt to pay imaginary money for it since it is an imaginary feature?
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 213d
So if your subscription runs out while driving does the Tesla just stop on the road or does it immediately drive back to the dealership till you pay it?
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 213d
Burst into flames
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 213d
Facts!
LordFireCrotch@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 212d
It's only for the "Full Self driving" feature. It would likely just disable the feature.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 213d
No thanks, Nazi.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 214d
Wasn't it already? Fucking Tesla is so damn confusing on how the hell this shit works. Every 2 months it changes, price changes, how the use it changes, and if they even get it. God I'm so glad I wouldn't ever buy one of those shit boxes.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 213d
I was in my friend's Tesla the other day, and she couldn't figure out which button to push to get the glove box open. There is no handle. Just a screen with a GUI that has menus with a glove box button.
I was like wtf. I'm so pissed about my old car with too many buttons for the air conditioner. That was the most infuriating looking car I've ever seen. Guess she got it before the Nazi salute for tax write off.
artyom@piefed.social · 2 pts · 213d
Unfortunately that's not exclusive to Tesla.
Kyrex@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 9 pts · 213d
Oh jeez, enshittification is so fast with today's companies...
Etterra@discuss.online · 9 pts · 213d
Fools and their money are soon parted - over and over again if they're Tesla fanboys.
echodot@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 213d
Good maybe people will stop using it then. What am I saying they bought a Tesla of course they're going to keep using it.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 7 pts · 213d
“Oh think I’ll treat myself to a month of gamble driving”
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 212d
Leave the World Behind is a documentary.
yoz@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 214d
Poor middle class people will start taking out car loans to buy Tesla. Just like the iPhone phenomena
Jarix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 213d
Scumfuck needs to hit his trillion dollar payout somehow
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 214d
i love taking a shit
itisileclerk@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 213d
Who is using self-driving mode? And why? When you add price of a self-driving car + (now) subscription, it is cheaper to use some public transport, bus/train/taxi/uber/..
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 213d
I am, but not on a Tesla.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 212d
its people would buy supreme branded items.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 213d
It's a weird move because Tesla was receiving nearly 7 years of $99/month up front if people gave it to them, while being as slow as they want in reaching their promises. So, either they are worried that they will be forced to give refunds for underwhelming service, or they are planning massive monthly fee increases. It's probably the latter to their credit. Robotaxi fee would be a normal high fee.
voytrekk@sopuli.xyz · -6 pts · 214d
Kind of makes sense. If I had a Tesla, I might consider grabbing it for a month if I were going on a road trip to reduce the driving load.
It also lets people test it every once in a while to see if it actually works. Based on a ride I had in one a few months ago, it still has quite a bit to go.
I would be most concerned about them increasing prices over time. $100/month isn't too bad, but I'm sure it will increase to well over double that over the next few years.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 1 pts · 213d
Guy fully mummified in plaster in a hospital bed groaning: “well I wanted to test it out to see if it works for a 100 bucks…”