We could start by enforcing our laws. Foreign interference is everywhere, and we've just ignored it for decades. Eg, the US funds the Frasier Institute and no one makes any comment about this. Half of our media is owned by them. The convoy was subsidized by US funding. I don't believe for a moment that the UCP and/or its members aren't awash in US corporate bribes and cash promises.
Our country is under threat and no one seems to do a damn thing about it. Why doesn't any politician discuss this? Poilievre talks about Chinese interference, where is the concern for this interference by the US, very clearly our enemy??!
Maybe in Alberta, but in Québec, the independentist party took a frank right turn and is now leading the polls with a high margin. Election are in november this year! https://qc125.com/
Dark blue "Q" in the charts.
Among their strong supporters is a Québec political commentator active in both Québec and France and funded by a French catho-fascist oligarch.
Not going to happen. Plus, I've read that most of those that do want to separate don't want join the US.
Even IF the people of Alberta vote in favour of leaving Canada it still has to be approved by Parliament, and that is not happening at this time with the current seat counts for each party.
I have lived in Calgary, Alberta for over 20 years. I don't know a single person who would want to leave Canada. I also know that Alberta would not stand a chance alone. We DEPEND on the federal government for funding and other Provinces for goods. We're land locked and have next to no manufacturing.
Plus, I’ve read that most of those that do want to separate don’t want join the US.
That's the fun part, once the US separates you from Canada, you don't get a choice about whether you want to join the US anymore, because your collapsing economy leaves you no choice. Divide and conquer, literally.
Look at Brexit. Many people look no further than what's on their Facebook feeds, making it quite easy to sway a referendum that fucks over a whole populace.
It amazes me that after seeing that complete shitshow that was Brexit that provincial separatists are like “Yea, this is exactly what we want and need to work towards”. Bottom of the cesspool bottom feeders the lot of them.
Je dirige tout autant mes critiques acerbes vers les séparatistes québécois.
There's no unilateral separation from Canada without reconciling all of the constitutionality protected indigenous land claims, and they've all indicated they have no interest. Also the Constitution would need to be renegotiated, and this would require all provinces. This will stretch any practical timeline for secession out indefinitely.
The US interests have no bearing on this, unless they plan on invading.
The Canadian prosecution and courts absolutely need to squash this. Sub-state actors goin on random adventures like this causes war down the line - in fact we had a 30 Years' war about that.
I lived 8 years in the flatlands. It's not without its beauty, generosity, heart, intellect and soul. None of these attributes are shown by the politicos, who just need some encouragement to pupate to carpetbaggers and improve everyone's lives -- ideally they can fly away as beautiful but-tah-flies (I can't not hear the accent now) before their hungry caterpillar selves eat everything alive and green.
I would say no, and I would expect any sensible country to bar this within its borders. To the extent that a state should have a nonviolent means of secession, this above all should not be subject to foreign interference.
You can find a more detailed view of my opinion on specific independence movements elsewhere in this thread.
Regarding California or indeed any other state breaking away from the US, it's none of our business. And, before you ask, in the highly unlikely event that they wished to join Canada, I would expect them to gain independence and then, separately, start any process of joining another country.
Alberta separatists never shut up about running a pipeline through Washington to the west coast.
If the West Coast went to Canada after Alberta separated, that would be the ultimate poetic justice. Alberta would be back negotiating with Canada but now as a foreign state with all the animosity of a recent separation. I'd almost like to see it if it didn't mean massive political upheaval.
Wexit is like Brexit but way more petty, stupid, and pointless. An independent Alberta couldn't defend themselves against ICE stationed in Montana, let alone the US military proper.
And, since America is taking custody of oilfields in this hemisphere under the Monroe Doctrine, the Tarsands are a likely target. Danielle Smith better get comfy cosy with the idea of living in a detention facility, charged with "insulting the Dear Leader under her breath" (slander) or "being a woman in power" (blasphemy).
I actually wasn't aware that there would be pushback from Washington on this. The separatists and the Premier constantly go on about how they'll go to the Americans if Canada won't let them build a pipeline through BC (even though the Trudeau government literally bought them a pipeline a few years ago).
I imagine their plan is to ship oil to the Gulf States for refining, and that's it. They probably also assume they'll get all of the benefits of being American, which I presume mostly involves second amendment rights.
Wexit would be Brexit... but with a landlocked country with an economy a tiny fraction of the size based entirely on oil, who unlike the UK (who is going it alone) are subsumed into a larger country that wants nothing to do with the people and wouldn't even give them a vote. Oh and good luck with all the indigenous peoples, they are famously even-tempered about having their land occupied and will surely not interrupt any economic infrastructure, and that's assuming the Supreme Court doesn't stand on rulings that bar Alberta from leaving and taking unceded land with them.
In a great twist of irony, the indigenous peoples may save Canada, and I hope it ultimately brings all Canadians closer together, and they get the respect they deserve.
Wow, that is pretty shocking to hear. Washington is as progressive as they come in the US, and that includes California. (Without getting into the whole urban/rural divide because that's true in both/all states.)
I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to railroad us, but there would be less pushback shipping it south.
Trump cancels any talks with Canada over tariffs because of fords anti-tariff commercial, because we’re meddling in their politics, but these Nazi fucking yanks can do this?
Time for Canada to cut off all talk with the filthy yanks, cut off the power we provide them and let them stew in the cold for a while.
Where are all the “foreign interference!!!” Conservatives now?
Tucker Carlson and his lot are all in on this.
This is an important distinction: foreign means “foreign.” Venezuela and Canada are considered to be the US’s back yard, hence fair game. This is what anti interventionist MAGA has been pushing and pushing for.
Your foreign interference comment made me think about this petition calling for a legislation requiring majority Canadian ownership and control of news media. With everything happening in the US, I think it is important that as many people as possible sign it: https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-6821
Divide et impera. It's the same across Europe and NA- almost as if there is a concerted effort funded by someone who wants to divide us and make us fight each other and succumb to internal strife instead of attacking the guy in the mask twirling his mustache behind that onion shaped cathedral over there.
lol promised money from a felon grifters government? Someone would need to be pretty dense if they thought they’d see a dime of that without getting totally railed.
How much in oil do they pull out a year in total and then after costs do we know?
If I recall it has a high break even point, I think 60 a barrel even, they've to like steam oil sands and then remove the water, and it's a type of crude they've to add extra viscous chemicals to so it doesn't clump up, or something.
You dont even need to look at movements abroad to dispute this comparison. Quebec is right there and they had and have an actual, not-astroturfed independence movement with actual justifications for their beliefs, with an argument grounded in the right to self-determination and their national history.
Alberta has nothing going on that makes independence a serious consideration.
I don't know about Quebec either, only in passing. At least in knew it existed for a while, Alberta I didn't until this post, so I guess what you say tracks
What you name in your post are independent movements that have been going on since pretty much forever, and it's a freedom that that population wants.
Alberta is just a bunch of rich pricks very likely directed and funded by the US. Yes, this part is slightly conspiratorial, but it is very obvious that that government has very unsanitary connections with the US Republicans.
Had it been for example Quebec, it might have been a different story, this just very much feels like the US Republicans working hard to destabilize Canada
Fuck Danielle Smith with an umbrella, she is a traitor who sold out the provence to the US, pretty much
Exactly, it is very telling the trumpists are salivating over Alberta but haven't touched Quebec, which is the one province that has a movement with an actually legitimate independence movement.
For the record: Québec independence leaders are very adamant about the "historical relation to the US" these days: if Canada is divesting its economy, Québec should become independent to keep good relations with the US. So I would not be surprised if some money was flowing that way too.
Needless to say you see an independent Québec becoming a vassal state to the US from miles away.
I can't speak for all Canadians, I truly have no idea.
From my own personal opinion, I'm aware that every independence movement is a unique case, and I won't pretend I understand any of them outside of my own country, nor would I blindly support any of them just because they were ostensibly independence movements.
I will say this, again from my perspective, it seems to me that Alberta isn't and never was an independent country like Scotland may have been, and the history of Alberta - including the indigenous peoples who currently live there and have agreements with the federal government (notably NOT the province) - as well as recent Canadian law on the topics (eg Clarity Act), puts Alberta in a rather more clear position on the topic of independence. That is to say, even if they could reconcile all treaty matters and carve out any land for themselves, and even if they could reimburse the federal government for all the pension plan balances and the proportion of debt, and even if they had a sustainable economic foundation, they probably would never get through the legal and constitutional blockers.
I know all of this about Alberta, and none of this about Scotland. So, no opinion of value, and no comment.
But if it looked like Brexit, I would instinctively advise against it.
A minority in alberta want to separate because they are racists and trans/homophobes. They think we will disappear if they separate. I for one will die keeping Alberta Canadian.
Huh? This is like saying Ukraine was speedrunning fascism because Russia installed sock puppets in Donbas. Perhaps you should think through what you're suggesting before typing it.
No one I've ever met claims it's a utopia. Unlike Americans brainwashed from birth we don't believe our country is perfect, nor do we believe that other countries have no value. We don't believe our country is perfect and entitled to greatness.
Consider that you believe that we think this way, precisely because you can't imagine it differently.
That guys not an American lol, just a rabid xenophobe making you feel the same xenophobia you're pushing against Americans because we live in a country with a significantly propagandized population lmfao. Hilariously ironic. Maybe you should all just stop talking shit about citizens of nations as if they're monolithic?
I know and I'm close with a lot of American friends, family and colleagues. I know they aren't all assholes, but unfortunately about half are, and about 1 in 6 actually want to annex my country.
Not sure if you noticed but a substantial portion of Quebec was also not having any of the Conservative bullshit in the last election. I'm guessing because they didn't really jive with the way Poilievre seemed to want to suck Trump's balls from the back.
Quebec may have saved Canada. And now it seems like Alberta wants to destroy it. Quite the timeline.
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Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 120 pts · 218d
You all wannabe Americans? Go ahead and move to the US. Apply for citizenship. No one is stopping you. You're doing the rest of us a favor.
But, you don't get to take the land with you.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 76 pts · 218d
We could start by enforcing our laws. Foreign interference is everywhere, and we've just ignored it for decades. Eg, the US funds the Frasier Institute and no one makes any comment about this. Half of our media is owned by them. The convoy was subsidized by US funding. I don't believe for a moment that the UCP and/or its members aren't awash in US corporate bribes and cash promises.
Our country is under threat and no one seems to do a damn thing about it. Why doesn't any politician discuss this? Poilievre talks about Chinese interference, where is the concern for this interference by the US, very clearly our enemy??!
hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 217d
I remember when Canada used to prosecute and jail fascists. Now it coddles them.
III@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 217d
To be fair, even if in the US legally, ICE is stopping you. And then shipping you off to some other foreign country's jail.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 217d
In this case, I have no problem with that.
bountygiver@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 217d
We should have some citizenship exchange program so they can swap with those being persecuted in US for not being male white rich.
delial@lemmy.sdf.org · 84 pts · 218d
This is an ongoing operation by the CIA to Balkanize Canada. Canadians need to wake the fuck up.
LeFantome@programming.dev · 12 pts · 217d
Luckily they suck at it.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 212d
Maybe in Alberta, but in Québec, the independentist party took a frank right turn and is now leading the polls with a high margin. Election are in november this year!
https://qc125.com/
Dark blue "Q" in the charts.
Among their strong supporters is a Québec political commentator active in both Québec and France and funded by a French catho-fascist oligarch.
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 59 pts · 218d
Not going to happen. Plus, I've read that most of those that do want to separate don't want join the US.
Even IF the people of Alberta vote in favour of leaving Canada it still has to be approved by Parliament, and that is not happening at this time with the current seat counts for each party.
I have lived in Calgary, Alberta for over 20 years. I don't know a single person who would want to leave Canada. I also know that Alberta would not stand a chance alone. We DEPEND on the federal government for funding and other Provinces for goods. We're land locked and have next to no manufacturing.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 50 pts · 218d
That's the fun part, once the US separates you from Canada, you don't get a choice about whether you want to join the US anymore, because your collapsing economy leaves you no choice. Divide and conquer, literally.
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 218d
Hopefully those that would vote to separate know this ...
IF on the off chance it happens there will be a mass exodus. I'd be moving to British Columbia in a heart beat.
excursion22@piefed.ca · 15 pts · 217d
Look at Brexit. Many people look no further than what's on their Facebook feeds, making it quite easy to sway a referendum that fucks over a whole populace.
digitalFatteh@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 217d
It amazes me that after seeing that complete shitshow that was Brexit that provincial separatists are like “Yea, this is exactly what we want and need to work towards”. Bottom of the cesspool bottom feeders the lot of them.
Je dirige tout autant mes critiques acerbes vers les séparatistes québécois.
FelixMortane@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 217d
Fully agree, we will be looking into moving the day after the vote results are announced
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 217d
You mean the second part of Canada that will get slurped up by the empire? East is actually the safe bet.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 217d
There's no unilateral separation from Canada without reconciling all of the constitutionality protected indigenous land claims, and they've all indicated they have no interest. Also the Constitution would need to be renegotiated, and this would require all provinces. This will stretch any practical timeline for secession out indefinitely.
The US interests have no bearing on this, unless they plan on invading.
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 217d
Yup, they just did a full on genocide on their indigenous groups. I guess I wouldn't rule out them to do it again.
AGM@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 217d
Votes aren't looking like they're going to mean anything in the US anymore. Don't be too confident they're going to respect any vote in Alberta.
sixpaque@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 217d
I believe behind the scenes, it's got the smell of Trump.
KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca · 50 pts · 218d
This is treason and should be prosecuted. There is no justice until they are behind bars.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 43 pts · 217d
This is like, cut and dry, 100% treason. What the fuck?
Ontimp@feddit.org · 12 pts · 217d
The Canadian prosecution and courts absolutely need to squash this. Sub-state actors goin on random adventures like this causes war down the line - in fact we had a 30 Years' war about that.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 217d
It's just capitalism, baby! Just a business arrangement between two close personal friends in the oil industry. No need to get democracy involved.
wirebeads@lemmy.ca · 43 pts · 218d
Kick these traitors out of Canada or prison. Carney needs to do something about this
#treason
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 217d
They can vote themselves out if they want.
They don't get the land, though; they trade their passport for a plane ticket.
That's the only deal they get. C'est bon?
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 217d
I would be happy if separation means individual separation from Canada...they turn in their passport and get a ride over the border.
But the US doesn't want them they want the resources.
Drusas@fedia.io · 1 pts · 217d
We always need oil field workers, but they better not be expecting any government handouts.
ikidd@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 217d
Can we just ship the dinks that agreed with it? The rest of us like where we live.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 217d
I say that's the only deal they get.
I lived 8 years in the flatlands. It's not without its beauty, generosity, heart, intellect and soul. None of these attributes are shown by the politicos, who just need some encouragement to pupate to carpetbaggers and improve everyone's lives -- ideally they can fly away as beautiful but-tah-flies (I can't not hear the accent now) before their hungry caterpillar selves eat everything alive and green.
vogo13@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 217d
pubquiz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 217d
saimen@feddit.org · 16 pts · 217d
So it's okay if Canada and the EU would support and fund the independence of California?
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 217d
I would say no, and I would expect any sensible country to bar this within its borders. To the extent that a state should have a nonviolent means of secession, this above all should not be subject to foreign interference.
You can find a more detailed view of my opinion on specific independence movements elsewhere in this thread.
Regarding California or indeed any other state breaking away from the US, it's none of our business. And, before you ask, in the highly unlikely event that they wished to join Canada, I would expect them to gain independence and then, separately, start any process of joining another country.
hector@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 217d
Russia already does. All such movements they will fund. Catalonia, california, texas, I forget the rest.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 217d
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 217d
Alberta separatists never shut up about running a pipeline through Washington to the west coast.
If the West Coast went to Canada after Alberta separated, that would be the ultimate poetic justice. Alberta would be back negotiating with Canada but now as a foreign state with all the animosity of a recent separation. I'd almost like to see it if it didn't mean massive political upheaval.
eightpix@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 217d
Wexit is like Brexit but way more petty, stupid, and pointless. An independent Alberta couldn't defend themselves against ICE stationed in Montana, let alone the US military proper.
And, since America is taking custody of oilfields in this hemisphere under the Monroe Doctrine, the Tarsands are a likely target. Danielle Smith better get comfy cosy with the idea of living in a detention facility, charged with "insulting the Dear Leader under her breath" (slander) or "being a woman in power" (blasphemy).
Drusas@fedia.io · 4 pts · 217d
As a Washingtonian: Fuck that, and fuck them.
Also, do they know anything about Washington? Good luck getting us to agree to an oil pipeline.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 217d
I actually wasn't aware that there would be pushback from Washington on this. The separatists and the Premier constantly go on about how they'll go to the Americans if Canada won't let them build a pipeline through BC (even though the Trudeau government literally bought them a pipeline a few years ago).
I imagine their plan is to ship oil to the Gulf States for refining, and that's it. They probably also assume they'll get all of the benefits of being American, which I presume mostly involves second amendment rights.
Wexit would be Brexit... but with a landlocked country with an economy a tiny fraction of the size based entirely on oil, who unlike the UK (who is going it alone) are subsumed into a larger country that wants nothing to do with the people and wouldn't even give them a vote. Oh and good luck with all the indigenous peoples, they are famously even-tempered about having their land occupied and will surely not interrupt any economic infrastructure, and that's assuming the Supreme Court doesn't stand on rulings that bar Alberta from leaving and taking unceded land with them.
In a great twist of irony, the indigenous peoples may save Canada, and I hope it ultimately brings all Canadians closer together, and they get the respect they deserve.
Drusas@fedia.io · 1 pts · 212d
Wow, that is pretty shocking to hear. Washington is as progressive as they come in the US, and that includes California. (Without getting into the whole urban/rural divide because that's true in both/all states.)
I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to railroad us, but there would be less pushback shipping it south.
LeFantome@programming.dev · 16 pts · 217d
Washington, Oregon, and California would make nice Canadian provinces.
Drusas@fedia.io · 1 pts · 217d
We sure would. The western parts, at least.
atro_city@fedia.io · 2 pts · 217d
How about Alaska?
Drusas@fedia.io · 1 pts · 217d
Culturally right-leaning but much less so than it used to be.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 217d
jack posebiec is the owner of the account, endwokeness on social media, he has a honeypot russian wife.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 217d
wirebeads@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 217d
Trump cancels any talks with Canada over tariffs because of fords anti-tariff commercial, because we’re meddling in their politics, but these Nazi fucking yanks can do this?
Time for Canada to cut off all talk with the filthy yanks, cut off the power we provide them and let them stew in the cold for a while.
Fuck I hate America.
fireweed@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 218d
I propose a border swap: USA gets Alberta, Canada gets Washington State
(Please I beg you get me out of here)
swordgeek@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 217d
Nooooooo!
80+% of Albertans do NOT support this nonsense!
LeFantome@programming.dev · 6 pts · 217d
I think Oregon and California would want to come too.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 217d
And that, my friends, is the art of the deal.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 218d
Trade it for California?
I get that they are being hypocrites, but surely it would only make it easier for US states to secede.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 217d
They must really hate labor laws and healthcare up there in Alberta to consider this
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 217d
They hate a lot of things in Alberta.
Healthcare, education, trans people, Brown people, green energy...
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 217d
Fuck you Scott, take your adled mind and get the fuck out of Alberta.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social · 10 pts · 217d
It'd be nice if the feds could chime in to take a verbal dump on the UCP aiding and abetting MAGA traitors.
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 217d
Why the hell would anyone want to be part of the dumpster fire in America.
radiofreebc@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 217d
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 217d
Tucker Carlson and his lot are all in on this.
This is an important distinction: foreign means “foreign.” Venezuela and Canada are considered to be the US’s back yard, hence fair game. This is what anti interventionist MAGA has been pushing and pushing for.
HaustierElch@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 217d
Your foreign interference comment made me think about this petition calling for a legislation requiring majority Canadian ownership and control of news media. With everything happening in the US, I think it is important that as many people as possible sign it: https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-6821
tomiant@piefed.social · 6 pts · 218d
Divide et impera. It's the same across Europe and NA- almost as if there is a concerted effort funded by someone who wants to divide us and make us fight each other and succumb to internal strife instead of attacking the guy in the mask twirling his mustache behind that onion shaped cathedral over there.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 217d
So he's just after oil huh
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 217d
fourish@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 216d
lol promised money from a felon grifters government? Someone would need to be pretty dense if they thought they’d see a dime of that without getting totally railed.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 218d
If it happens they will die like the rest of the invaders.
howl2@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 217d
OK cool it's good to hear we have the money to give another country a "loan" to basically buy them.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 217d
Bribe leaders. Alberta will want to keep universal healthcare as part of the deal. Rest of you will pay for that too
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 216d
Until they become the 51st state, which will be a "join or else" deal. Then they'll enjoy the US healthcare "system".
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 217d
Can California Washington and Hawaii maybe replace them….asking for a friend?
LeFantome@programming.dev · 4 pts · 217d
Hawaii is a nice suggestion
dubyakay@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 217d
I want Oregon too.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 217d
It’s a package deal
Drusas@fedia.io · 1 pts · 217d
Washington and Oregon stick together.
LeFantome@programming.dev · 2 pts · 216d
Works for me
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 218d
The AB op is underway.
hector@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 217d
How much in oil do they pull out a year in total and then after costs do we know?
If I recall it has a high break even point, I think 60 a barrel even, they've to like steam oil sands and then remove the water, and it's a type of crude they've to add extra viscous chemicals to so it doesn't clump up, or something.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 217d
Bit tangential, but what's the Canadian opinion on other independence movements like Scotland, Catanuya...
I have the feeling a lot of people support independence from other countries, but reject the one at home.
I'm not Canadian so I don't know the context of Alberta, feel free to ELI5.
malle_yeno@pawb.social · 9 pts · 217d
You dont even need to look at movements abroad to dispute this comparison. Quebec is right there and they had and have an actual, not-astroturfed independence movement with actual justifications for their beliefs, with an argument grounded in the right to self-determination and their national history.
Alberta has nothing going on that makes independence a serious consideration.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 217d
I don't know about Quebec either, only in passing. At least in knew it existed for a while, Alberta I didn't until this post, so I guess what you say tracks
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 217d
Yes, but this is different
What you name in your post are independent movements that have been going on since pretty much forever, and it's a freedom that that population wants.
Alberta is just a bunch of rich pricks very likely directed and funded by the US. Yes, this part is slightly conspiratorial, but it is very obvious that that government has very unsanitary connections with the US Republicans.
Had it been for example Quebec, it might have been a different story, this just very much feels like the US Republicans working hard to destabilize Canada
Fuck Danielle Smith with an umbrella, she is a traitor who sold out the provence to the US, pretty much
theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 217d
Exactly, it is very telling the trumpists are salivating over Alberta but haven't touched Quebec, which is the one province that has a movement with an actually legitimate independence movement.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 216d
For the record: Québec independence leaders are very adamant about the "historical relation to the US" these days: if Canada is divesting its economy, Québec should become independent to keep good relations with the US. So I would not be surprised if some money was flowing that way too.
Needless to say you see an independent Québec becoming a vassal state to the US from miles away.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 212d
French-speaking-will-die-before-talking-English-Quebec would prefer the arrogance of the US over Canada? They barely tolerate Canada
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 217d
I can't speak for all Canadians, I truly have no idea.
From my own personal opinion, I'm aware that every independence movement is a unique case, and I won't pretend I understand any of them outside of my own country, nor would I blindly support any of them just because they were ostensibly independence movements.
I will say this, again from my perspective, it seems to me that Alberta isn't and never was an independent country like Scotland may have been, and the history of Alberta - including the indigenous peoples who currently live there and have agreements with the federal government (notably NOT the province) - as well as recent Canadian law on the topics (eg Clarity Act), puts Alberta in a rather more clear position on the topic of independence. That is to say, even if they could reconcile all treaty matters and carve out any land for themselves, and even if they could reimburse the federal government for all the pension plan balances and the proportion of debt, and even if they had a sustainable economic foundation, they probably would never get through the legal and constitutional blockers.
I know all of this about Alberta, and none of this about Scotland. So, no opinion of value, and no comment.
But if it looked like Brexit, I would instinctively advise against it.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 216d
A minority in alberta want to separate because they are racists and trans/homophobes. They think we will disappear if they separate. I for one will die keeping Alberta Canadian.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · -4 pts · 217d
You keep using that word - I’m not sure it means what you think it does.
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 217d
Ok sedition.
But I prefer to call them traitors because that's what they are.
Does that work for you?
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 217d
What? No, “independent” - actually in the original post.
the_q@lemmy.zip · -19 pts · 218d
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 218d
Huh? This is like saying Ukraine was speedrunning fascism because Russia installed sock puppets in Donbas. Perhaps you should think through what you're suggesting before typing it.
the_q@lemmy.zip · -10 pts · 218d
tomiant@piefed.social · 13 pts · 218d
Gee I wonder where they came from!
the_q@lemmy.zip · -9 pts · 218d
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 217d
No one I've ever met claims it's a utopia. Unlike Americans brainwashed from birth we don't believe our country is perfect, nor do we believe that other countries have no value. We don't believe our country is perfect and entitled to greatness.
Consider that you believe that we think this way, precisely because you can't imagine it differently.
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 217d
That guys not an American lol, just a rabid xenophobe making you feel the same xenophobia you're pushing against Americans because we live in a country with a significantly propagandized population lmfao. Hilariously ironic. Maybe you should all just stop talking shit about citizens of nations as if they're monolithic?
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 217d
Wow you've dropped a real steaming hot pile of take right here.
See my response to him.
Our country is propagandized by the US, and within Canada we aren't fed the same exceptionalist bullshit that they are in the US.
the_q@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 217d
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 217d
I know and I'm close with a lot of American friends, family and colleagues. I know they aren't all assholes, but unfortunately about half are, and about 1 in 6 actually want to annex my country.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 217d
Your tone is that of a deliberate agitator trying to get Canadians riled up against each other.
the_q@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 217d
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 218d
Not all of us. Just the Conservative traitors.
Technologist@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 218d
So... exactly like the US?
the_q@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 218d
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com · -6 pts · 218d
So most of the people outside of like 5 major cities
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 217d
Also known as "not most people".
RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 217d
Not sure if you noticed but a substantial portion of Quebec was also not having any of the Conservative bullshit in the last election. I'm guessing because they didn't really jive with the way Poilievre seemed to want to suck Trump's balls from the back.
Quebec may have saved Canada. And now it seems like Alberta wants to destroy it. Quite the timeline.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 217d
And I must say, merci beaucoup
lobut@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 217d
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