Man is shot and killed during Minneapolis immigration crackdown, National Guard activated
https://apnews.com/article/immigration-enforcement-minnesota-4d1499fc5962ab880f3816259e04bdbf?user_email=faf90ee29ad47244e15e0caed15327127e1e1a83bea3e2600696c0cde4c4bdf4
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20cello@lemmy.world · 160 pts · 210d
If ICE thugs won't get punished for the 2nd time, I'd expect a 3rd one
assembly@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 210d
Im guessing that this is going to escalate until either martial law or ICE leave MN.
TheGoldenV@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 210d
Yeah, ICE ain’t leaving. TACO has no force compelling him to do so.
I’d bet a fiver on a 3rd killing in the next couple weeks. As soon as the first person fights back it’ll be martial law.
I really home the general strikes take off, but the movement needs leadership and direction. Fuck.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 210d
Couple of weeks? I'm betting the end of the weekend.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 209d
There are going to be betting pools on who future victims will be, and someone will win big.
The US is fucked. 😞
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 209d
I mean someone already bet that Maduro would fall and won big so honestly I'm not even surprised. Though they most likely had inside info.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 209d
And a fourth. And a fifth. And then world war 3.
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 146 pts · 209d
And then, despite having the police and national guard available to secure a crime scene from the murderers themselves, they threw up their hands and tutted disapprovingly.
malloc@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 209d
Rule of law has eroded in the USA. Death by a thousand cuts.
Signed warrants. Jurisdiction. This means nothing to this administration.
Manjushri@piefed.social · 48 pts · 209d
Right?! Why the fuck weren't the agents blocking the investigation arrested for obstruction of justice?! What the hell is going on?
architect@thelemmy.club · 12 pts · 209d
How little attention do you pay to things?
This is a new world order. They stole the election and killed the western world order from ww2. Replaced it with a bunch of con rapist rapist pedophile fascist traitors on task to destroy America.
Like come on. We are being occupied. They declared war on us in July 2024.
See this is why I fucking hate democrats. How they don’t get the message that they literally fucking declared war on everyone they say isn’t them is proof dems are a failure.
Batmorous@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 209d
Sounds like both sides are complicit if they give up like that
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 107 pts · 210d
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 210d
Asking the important questions
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 209d
Whoever they are ordered to, they don't get to decide. And history is shown repeatedly that the united states president always wins when in legal battle with a governor.
Denvil@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 209d
The hierarchy means little if the common soldiers agree and band together. They're the ones with the guns.
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 209d
True.... but armies are deliberately built so that soldiers are trained, conditioned, and drilled to follow orders, especially when they’re carrying weapons that can kill. That culture is completely different from normal civilian psychology.
It’s like asking a group of kids to band together and kill their grandpa. Technically, yes, anything is possible, but that’s not how a normal human brain is wired to behave.
You need a whole institution, a hierarchy, training, pressure, and a command structure to override that basic instinct. Without that, people don’t naturally just organize themselves to commit violence on command.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 209d
Not the soldiers, their commanders. Soldiers won't be able to coordinate much beyond the scope of their platoon, maybe across a company. A rogue force of company size does not a rebellion make.
So unless a battalion command gets together and decides to rebel, it'll be on too small of a scale to make anything but a tactical difference. And the soldiers knows this, and they know that they'll be severely punished. I don't know the Minnesota national guard laws and regulations, but I suspect that soldiers helping ICE kill Minnesotans, could be facing a firing squad or the gallows.
So no, I wouldn't be afraid of having the national guard protect Minnesotans under the command of Tim Waltz, who himself was a command sergeant major in the army national guard.
What would be scary would be having the national guard federalised, something we've seen Trump do with the same enthusiasm as raping 12 year olds. And if army commanders goes against Trump, then there'd be a real civil war, when national guard units from the Dakotas, Iowa and Michigan are federalised.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 209d
Like they give a fuck about the law.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 209d
I mean the systems they are using mostly do, so the law is still important.
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 208d
federal building
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 68 pts · 209d
Murdered is the technical term for what happened.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 209d
Cold-blooded murder is the writer's term for it.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 3 pts · 209d
State-sanctioned murder is also called execution. Both terms fit.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 205d
"Execution" really sanitizes it, though since we live in a capital punishment nation.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 2 pts · 205d
I also don't think execution / capital punishment should be regarded with less distaste, but that's probably a contentious opinion in many places
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 202d
Life and death is not a responsibility that The State has typically handled well.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 59 pts · 209d
Here's a multi angle link that's being updated regularly as new video comes in.
https://eyesupapp.com/video/89d854e9-424c-47ea-a585-f3c72351e6e7
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 209d
holy shit, thank you for sharing that.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 209d
You're welcome.
FelixMortane@lemmy.ca · -12 pts · 209d
What the Fuck is wrong with you (direct at everyone in the US). Welcome to your "freedom" when one of your own citizens is executed by a federal organization in the god damn street. Disgusting and pathetic.
Edit: Apparently doing a censor was a bigger topic of discussion that the actual event, fixed that.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 209d
You can say Fuck and goddamn
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 209d
You're self censorship just made you look foolish lol
0ops@piefed.zip · 12 pts · 209d
This ain't a Christian lemmy server
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 209d
Im not going to do it, but it would be kind of fun to run an instance where I have a bot that auto censors users lol.
architect@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 209d
You know whats fucking funny? Im in America because Hitler destroyed my families homeland. Raped by a pedophile. Told I was hyperbolic about the obvious bullshit in this country. Got into elections and protests and on and on and on and ended up with people think I’m paranoid and crazy, yet here we are! Turns out it’s not paranoia if they agree really out to get you… but crazy? Yea after spending this many fucking decades with all of you stupid fucking pieces of shit to end up getting possibly taken out by a pedophile all while being shit talked by fucking foreigners who helped gather the intelligence on the good Americans in the first place and helped our militaries learn how to destroy the good Americans it appears you losers forgot you needed help with you’re own fucking fascist the last time so here, if you want a reason to hate all Americans I’ll give you one. If you let them destroy the good Americans that are standing up and getting killed enjoy the fucking nuke you’ll get in return. Laugh as it takes you next.
goldfndr@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 209d
Could you please be more specific? (keywords please?)
vogo13@sh.itjust.works · 49 pts · 209d
hector@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 209d
Nazi style, check side by side pics with nazi summary execution of an undesirable.
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 209d
malloc@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 210d
My only question: will this administration federalize Minnesota national guard?
n0respect@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 209d
The "State's Rights" crowd is gonna love it. Unironically.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 209d
They’ve always been the parrot cuck crowd
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 209d
Well, they started as the slave owners club.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 209d
I think they were the slave owners cucks just like they are for the billionaires now
MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io · 12 pts · 210d
And if so, will they listen?
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 209d
Note that these are the same Republicans who have lectured us for decades about people's right to carry guns legally.
Also, the image they circulated seems to have been on the internet for a while. It's not this man's gun:EDIT: I have been unable to confirm this last claim, or that the image search results below are real. The source of the search results image is this Threads post.
turdas@suppo.fi · 27 pts · 209d
That 5 days ago link is just a weekly discussion thread that was made 5 days ago. The gun image was posted in the thread after the shooting.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 209d
Thanks. Yes, I'm starting to think this is a red herring so I updated my comment above.
Monument@lemmy.sdf.org · 17 pts · 209d
It does seem the gun was not in his possession when he was shot: https://imgur.com/a/ice-taking-victims-holstered-gun-before-shooting-started-NtnH5Hv
Akh@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 210d
The guard was activated to assist police. UsA is cooked
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 33 pts · 209d
And the police are more concerned with protests and property than enforcing the law against lawless invaders.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 209d
🌙 🧑🚀 🔫 👨🚀
MoreMagic@feddit.org · 36 pts · 209d
It’s scary to me, how fast USA turned from ”the land of freedom/opportunity” to an openly fascist state.
hector@lemmy.today · 22 pts · 209d
50 years? That is the time it turned from, 1971 business roundtable made the first long term game plan project 2025 is the baby of.
It has been fucked our entire lives getting worse.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 209d
Just to be clear, this was for white folks, for BIPOC it's never been freedom and opportunity, broadly speaking.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 209d
Sounds about right because that’s when wages stopped keeping up with inflation and wealth inequality began to rise dramatically.
Decq@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 209d
Was it fast though? Isn't this what lots of people were talking about how fucked up the US was already but people choose to ignore because *murica first? It was pretty obvious to a lot of people it was a crap country already
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 209d
It is if you are a conservative, an unactive independent voter or a low information liberal voter. Those groups have a huge crossover of the media ecosystems they use with a lot of it being legacy TV media and FB.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 209d
And 2/3rds of voting Americans
voted for itwelcomed it with open arms.Soup@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 209d
Haha you believed it was the land of freedom and opportunity. Ah well, we all gotta learn at some point, so welcome aboard.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 209d
"turned"?
https://youtu.be/Uf8WIlyKu6U
bluemite@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 209d
The land of the greed
87Six@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 209d
They were never free
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 209d
Its been fascist for over 300 years. Where do you think Hitler got all of his ideas from? Have you read Mein Kampf? The USA has always been fascists, why do you think operation paperclip happened?
PointlessProtestAgainstTheMachine@lemmy.org · 27 pts · 210d
They decline to identify the man because he’s white.
s1ndr0m3@lemmy.world · 125 pts · 210d
The victim's name is Alex Pretti
Alex Pretti was a nurse and researcher who worked for the VA. He was executed for attempting to block Nazi Gestapo from assaulting/kidnapping a woman. 8 Nazis wrestled him to the ground and then shot him 11 times. The first shot appeared to go into his back.
PointlessProtestAgainstTheMachine@lemmy.org · 61 pts · 210d
No one should die because of ice, but there’s an extra level of hurt when it’s a person whose life is about helping others.
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 35 pts · 209d
1000x more valuable to society than every agent there combined.
PointlessProtestAgainstTheMachine@lemmy.org · 16 pts · 209d
Seriously. Huge loss.
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 15 pts · 209d
An ICU nurse who got licensed in 2021, right when the covid delta-wave was gearing up to slam critical care units that summer
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 210d
National Guard Activated FINALLY to HELP the
ProtestersICE!cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 209d
They gonna salt it?
itistime@infosec.pub · 18 pts · 209d
We all may feel some impulse to act, even violently, but have a great feeling of uncertainty because there are no leaders. We need direction based off of game theory, or something. We need strategies that are surgical, because be real — we are outgunned. Yes, there are gun owners on the left, but come on, you know who has the lion’s share. Not only that, but we are different in that we hesitate to harm, because it’s the last thing we want. My dad kills animals for pleasure, but I do not. Also, if you aren’t armed now, you better do so immediately, because the gun nuts are not going to blink an eye when we are inevitably denied access.
We need real strategy. Daggers in a select few hearts may be enough to shift things.
Are there organizations or groups that do this? They would have to do it in secret, so how could we know? So it seems we’d have to assume we couldn’t know and form our own? Honestly, please clue me in!
comfy@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 209d
If you're proposing what I think you are, it's sounds like something we tried in the late 1800s/early 1900s. Our lesson was that this tactic won't solve a systemic problem, at least in isolation. Action without a surrounding social movement is lost. Just ask Luigi - despite the widespread bipartisan approval of their action, there weren't many copycats nor long-term changes in our conditions. And, if you saw much of other Lemmy instances at the time of that event, you may have seen various people denouncing it as 'adventurism', despite how cathartic it was.
So, many of the socialist organizations aim to develop the surrounding movement needed to cause systemic change.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 209d
Luigi's story is just beginning. Don't write off his influence just yet. The impacts of his fate will be debated for years.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 209d
I don't even think Luigi did it
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 209d
I agree.
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 209d
Time for a well formed militia.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 209d
This looks like the way a civil war begins.
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 210d
Who is the person running away with the gun!? They join the huddle then walk towards camera to leave.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 209d
Come to NYC fuckers, we're big fans of terrorists. Bring all of you. 8 million of us want to say hi.
hector@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 209d
The nypd is on their side and there are how many again? 40k street goons and another 30k paper pushers? I forget i is huge.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 208d
Minneapolis is 450K population and you see the protests there. What do you think NYC will look like under the same pressure?
hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 208d
I don't think mamadami will be able to control the police well either though. Not sure how they do the city council. I know other cities that have gotten a strong left mayor the business get the city council to strip them of power and give it to a city manager if a mayor tries to take on the cops, or supports striking workers.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 209d
Time to watch Mr Freedom again
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 209d
About fucking time.