Yes but only because McDonald Douglas didn't exist yet. If you do find evidence of them having jet aircraft we might be able to invalidate some patents under prior art.
You can but in practise you would have an immensely hard time enforcing that.
People have taken patents out for FTL drives but if one is ever invented it would be pretty difficult to claim that they have the rights to the invention.
There's also a Hypothesis iirc that this rapid expansion also lowered our life span. Longevity Bottleneck Hypothesis though I think this one includes dinosaurs hunting mammals, and maybe Disposable Soma Theory.
Huh, the second one could probably be used to explain elves in fantasy: long life, low reproduction rate.
From the last dinosaurs to the first humans was 66 million years, it wasn't that fast.
What is weird is that humans are so intelligent. It's much easier to evolve big teeth and ripping claws to make you the dominant species then it is to evolve a highly complex brain.
It can't have been the extinction of the dinosaurs that had that impetus because by the time the first proto humans were around any effects of the asteroid impact would have long since dissipated. So there must have been some other threat that arose that was dangerous enough to require us to evolve to survive it, but was slow burning enough that it gave time for that evolution to happen. It also left no evidence.
I think theres growing consensus that tool use itself led to us becoming more intelligent, basically the group of great apes that humans and chimps came from that led to humans started to use tools at increasing rates which caused a feedback loop. Tools allow better resource exploitation while conserving energy and gaining more energy this basically caused evolution to throw everything into the dump stat that is intelligence which further worsened the feedback loop.
Chronologically, sure. But are years really the appropriate measure of accuracy here? Biological evolution moves a lot slower than cultural or technological evolution does.
I tried asking a geologist this question once and just got a funny look.
But let's say for the sake of arguement that dinosaurs did have a civilisation, if that civilisation was on the level of mediaeval technology then would there be any evidence after millennia and an asteroid impact? If we're talking about houses made of wood and roads made of cobblestone and no refined metals, would we be able to tell?
There's an idea that they may have been prior civilisations but they will wiped out and never left any evidence. It would certainly explain why humans are so much more intelligent than the rest of the animals. We aren't actually special at all, we are just the latest iteration of biological inevitability.
Its a frequent idea but I don't think there's any supporting evidence from people I've talked to.
I think if a small community existed with houses, it might be permanently unknowable. If a widespread civilization with stone and wood construction existed we would certainly have found some evidence.
Though I think stone and wood construction came very late even for humans. I don't remember my anthropology class well but its suggested based on hunter gatherers humans often had a sort of nomadic foraging/hunting society until about 10,000 years ago when permanent agricultural settlements started developing.
Like humans are kind of weak and soft, we walk funny, we're omnivorous endurance pack hunters and fishers. Like in terms of mammals we're very weird. In the larger animal kingdom we're pretty weird but maybe not as weird as like mollusks, birds, and crabs where evolution also seemed to have done a series of back-to-back rapid changes in evolutionary pressure by sort of creating and occupying an uninhabited niche in the environment.
I especially am fond of the idea that like "crabification" there's like a "birdification" and a "hominidification" evolutionary process based on occupying a series of vacant ecological niches that step into each other. So if something like that is true it might be more visible in the fossil record.
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MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 214d
How’s he gonna operate the stick with those lil’ arms though?
Tudsamfa@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 214d
Same way he's getting around those back plates and thagomizer:
Life, uh... finds a way.
Ixoid@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 213d
+1 for the thagomiser
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 213d
Idk, yo mama managed.
87Six@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 213d
Well, yours was a little stick in little hands...
Klear@quokk.au · 4 pts · 214d
Their arms were about the same length as human arms. I don't see any issues with that picture.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 214d
So you're saying Its more "where is he gonna put that thicc dino ass"
baropithecus@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 213d
GandalftheBlack@feddit.org · 28 pts · 214d
I thought this was about the grass until I actually looked at the dinosaurs in the picture
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 214d
Huh, yeah the grass is also inaccurate
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 20 pts · 214d
Are we sure dinosaurs didn't have F15s?
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 214d
Yes but only because McDonald Douglas didn't exist yet. If you do find evidence of them having jet aircraft we might be able to invalidate some patents under prior art.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 214d
afaik, patents don't care about that. You can even patent things that don't exist.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 213d
Brb gonna go patent my own self worth in case it ever comes into existence.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 214d
You stay away from my patents on wookie slippers that look like human feet.
echodot@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 213d
You can but in practise you would have an immensely hard time enforcing that.
People have taken patents out for FTL drives but if one is ever invented it would be pretty difficult to claim that they have the rights to the invention.
mkwt@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 214d
If that's a Tomcat, where's that lizard's RIO?
psud@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 210d
Got to be a velociraptor to fit both in the plane. No idea if they know how to read a radar and select targets for the AIM-54 phoenixs
plyth@feddit.org · 6 pts · 214d
What made evolution accelerate so that dinosaur evolution took so long, but turning little mammals into humans was fast?
Denjin@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 214d
Mass extinctions promote rapid expansion and diversification of surviving species into newly available niches.
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 214d
There's also a Hypothesis iirc that this rapid expansion also lowered our life span. Longevity Bottleneck Hypothesis though I think this one includes dinosaurs hunting mammals, and maybe Disposable Soma Theory.
Huh, the second one could probably be used to explain elves in fantasy: long life, low reproduction rate.
betahack@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 214d
imagine the roach empires that will rise once we do ourselves in
stormdelay@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 214d
A large meteorite
echodot@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 213d
From the last dinosaurs to the first humans was 66 million years, it wasn't that fast.
What is weird is that humans are so intelligent. It's much easier to evolve big teeth and ripping claws to make you the dominant species then it is to evolve a highly complex brain.
It can't have been the extinction of the dinosaurs that had that impetus because by the time the first proto humans were around any effects of the asteroid impact would have long since dissipated. So there must have been some other threat that arose that was dangerous enough to require us to evolve to survive it, but was slow burning enough that it gave time for that evolution to happen. It also left no evidence.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 213d
I think theres growing consensus that tool use itself led to us becoming more intelligent, basically the group of great apes that humans and chimps came from that led to humans started to use tools at increasing rates which caused a feedback loop. Tools allow better resource exploitation while conserving energy and gaining more energy this basically caused evolution to throw everything into the dump stat that is intelligence which further worsened the feedback loop.
bryndos@fedia.io · 4 pts · 213d
Ditching our thagomizers for the ability to craft giant iron flails.
Min-maxing to ruin the game for everyone.
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 213d
It's because Ancient Aliens came and gave us knowledge to speed up the growth of our early civilizations.
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 2 pts · 214d
Chronologically, sure. But are years really the appropriate measure of accuracy here? Biological evolution moves a lot slower than cultural or technological evolution does.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 214d
Hold on. Dinosaurs might of had like some kind of post communist utopian society. They might have been more culturally developed than humans.
echodot@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 213d
I tried asking a geologist this question once and just got a funny look.
But let's say for the sake of arguement that dinosaurs did have a civilisation, if that civilisation was on the level of mediaeval technology then would there be any evidence after millennia and an asteroid impact? If we're talking about houses made of wood and roads made of cobblestone and no refined metals, would we be able to tell?
There's an idea that they may have been prior civilisations but they will wiped out and never left any evidence. It would certainly explain why humans are so much more intelligent than the rest of the animals. We aren't actually special at all, we are just the latest iteration of biological inevitability.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 213d
Its a frequent idea but I don't think there's any supporting evidence from people I've talked to.
I think if a small community existed with houses, it might be permanently unknowable. If a widespread civilization with stone and wood construction existed we would certainly have found some evidence.
Though I think stone and wood construction came very late even for humans. I don't remember my anthropology class well but its suggested based on hunter gatherers humans often had a sort of nomadic foraging/hunting society until about 10,000 years ago when permanent agricultural settlements started developing.
Like humans are kind of weak and soft, we walk funny, we're omnivorous endurance pack hunters and fishers. Like in terms of mammals we're very weird. In the larger animal kingdom we're pretty weird but maybe not as weird as like mollusks, birds, and crabs where evolution also seemed to have done a series of back-to-back rapid changes in evolutionary pressure by sort of creating and occupying an uninhabited niche in the environment.
I especially am fond of the idea that like "crabification" there's like a "birdification" and a "hominidification" evolutionary process based on occupying a series of vacant ecological niches that step into each other. So if something like that is true it might be more visible in the fossil record.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 213d
New conspiracy theory just dropped. Capitalists killed the dinosaurs to hide what communism can accomplish.
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 2 pts · 214d
Looking at the state of the world… you might be right.
saimen@feddit.org · 2 pts · 213d
What about this?