Pam Bondi still can’t give release date for delayed Epstein files a month after missing deadline
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pam-bondi-epstein-files-date-release-b2909410.html
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EndOfLine@lemmy.world · 148 pts · 219d
And still no consequences.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 219d
I heard they're going to form a committee to write a strongly worded cake
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 139 pts · 219d
That's crazy it's almost like she has no plans to release them
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip · 41 pts · 219d
Reminds me of hearing ‘soon’ or ‘we’ll see’ as a kid. Didn’t take long to realize these meant ‘no’.
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 219d
"I'll consider it."
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 219d
Growing up, I realized at a very young age that all the adults in my life were full of shit.
I still haven't fully recovered. I tend to view the world as being full of lying assholes who don't know what they're talking about, and I have zero trust in any figures of authority, refuse to do anything anyone ever tells me to do simply because they told me to do it (even if I was going to do it anyway), and won't ever take anyone's word for it on anything. The combination makes me quite dysfunctional as an adult.
Unfortunately, people like the adults from my childhood are now running the government of arguably the most powerful nation of the world. Their toxicity is all too familiar to me, and it makes me sick to watch.
Like whenever tRump puts words in someone's mouth that they didn't say, to try to appeal to their authority and credibility while spewing his own inane drivel (such as "I was with the President of Finland, and he says they're a forest nation, and that they don't have wildfires because they rake the leaves on their forest floors").
That's exactly the sort of shit my dad would do. Sometimes I wonder how many people think I'm a stupid ass because all they've ever heard about me is from my dad telling people I said shit that I didn't, as a way to avoid ridicule while fielding his own thoughts. I'm not sure if he ever learned that I'm not his property to be used however seems most convenient to him at a given moment...
Anyway, seeing all these stupid magabrains in power is really nauseating on a very personal level. I left home as soon as I turner 18 so that I wouldn't have to tolerate ignorant conservatives acting like they're superior ("this is MY roof!" yeah, yeah, that's a real fucked up thing to say to a child who has no other choice but to live under it), and now a literal fascist is sitting in the Oval Office thinking it means he owns the entire country, the government, and its coffers.
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 219d
Wow, reading your response felt like reading my exact experience growing up and now, except for me the abuser was my mother. I am sorry that you too went through a childhood that left you with so much mistrust, so much pain, and so much resistance and now feel yourself under the thumb again of an all too familiar oppressor (except on a much larger scale). I feel it too, internet stranger. You didn’t deserve that and still don’t, and that also goes for myself and anyone else.
Your comment gave words to feelings I’ve attempted to express but in a much more articulate manner, and I appreciate you for that.
The gaslighting and manipulation we experienced growing up, while horrible and unfair, are the very things that gave us the capacity to recognize the mass psychosis that is a direct result of the oppression and systematic violence that we and our fellow countrymen are experiencing. Under this type of abuse it is hard to understand what is real, what is true, and even what we see and hear. This is by design. We must always hold our truth, and trust it above all else.
I wish you the very best, wonderingwanderer. Thank you for sharing your story.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 219d
Thanks for letting me know. At first I was worried that I was just ranting/trauma-dumping, so I'm glad to hear it resonated with someone. It sucks that anyone goes through this, but it's nice to know someone understands.
So many people tell me "just get over it"/"move on" or "you're an adult now, stop blaming your childhood" without any understanding of trauma or the long-term impacts of psychological abuse in the formative years of cognitive and social development.
Here's another pattern, maybe you're familiar with it too: everything has to be all smiles and compliments all the time (except for when they're angry, of course), until smiles and compliments themselves become meaningless. To this day, I don't trust anyone whenever they say nice things to/about me.
My dad does it. Everything is "perfect," no matter how mediocre. In effect, nothing is perfect because the word became meaningless. tRump does the same shit, at least for the stuff he approves of or that his minions do. When you hear him complimenting anything, it's always so insincere. Like, it's so clearly a calculated PR move because he knows his fans are gonna eat it up and parrot whatever opinion he expresses, no matter how contrived and robotic.
Sooo many of his mannerisms are things I recognize from my childhood. It's uncanny.
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 219d
Those that tell you to just ‘get over it/move on’ clearly don’t understand that if it were that easy, you would have done that already. Who wants to live with this kind of pain? Especially when it comes from someone who raised you and was an integral and fundamental part of who you are regardless of whether or not the experience was positive? Idk if you are still in contact with your dad; I cut off contact with my mother ~6 years ago and it was a years long process that included multiple attempts at lowering contact and would always result in me being pulled back into her abusive cycle just to repeat the whole thing over again. It was an incredibly slow burn and it took my partner telling me that I’d never be free of her abuse until I cut the cord permanently. My life has continued to improve ever since.
Your example of everything being ‘perfect’ until it isn’t…absolutely resonates. While my mother never used that word exactly, she too cycled between being excessively complimentary (esp when she was in front of someone she wanted to impress, bc a compliment to me was actually her congratulations to herself) and downright insulting and hateful of whatever I said/did to tap her ire. Anytime I did something that made her look good (in her eyes), of course it was a trait we shared. If it was something she disliked or disagreed with, she would say ‘how are you even my child’ at best and call me nasty names at worst. Because of the whiplash I felt due to this dichotomy, I too felt that her compliments and praise rang hollow and felt completely insincere. In fact, she would actually use praise and compliments against me when she was angry or disappointed in me, because obviously it was an offense to her that I fell short of her expectations of me and demonstrated potential to make her ‘look bad’.
With narcissistic personalities, it is all about perception and control. How they perceive themselves and how they want to be perceived drives most of their control tactics, and it is a game that is set up for them to win always at the expense of anyone else that doesn’t fall in line and ‘get with the program’ to borrow a phrase from my wonderful mother. It is a terminal diagnosis; a narcissist can never be wrong.
rozodru@piefed.social · 55 pts · 219d
Still waiting on Ro Khanna to "draft" those charges against her.
At this point I think he just likes to hear the sound of his own voice.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 23 pts · 219d
Peter Thiel said No.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 219d
There you go bash your ally
stephen01king@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 219d
If your ally is not doing his job, nobody is allowed to call them out of it?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 42 pts · 219d
If there’s no punishment, Congress is de facto saying that they do not consider it a crime - nor, implicitly, do they consider the events that the to-be-delivered documents detail to be crimes either.
Critical_Drinking@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 219d
We are very sorry, the WH dog ate all the files.
blattrules@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 219d
Everything bad for Trump happens at a fucking glacier’s pace, but whenever Trump wants to ruin immigrants or poor people’s lives it happens immediately.
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 219d
Easier to destroy things overall. That and the American people gave all the power to Republicans knowing they'd be complicit every step of the way. Not really working out.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 219d
It's always been that way here.
jof@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 219d
Seems like she’s unfit to do her job too. Get her out of there like Kristi Noem.
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 17 pts · 219d
Seems like she's broken the law, and has not indicated when, if ever she will comply. Time for some consequences.
jof@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 219d
I think that’s the thing that pisses me off most. Zero accountability. Everyone is a kiss ass to Trump and although the law exists, no one is upholding it.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 219d
Consequences? In the current US? LOL
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 2 pts · 219d
Ah, so you are suggesting giving up, at this time?
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 219d
I’m not American, so it’s not on me to do something.
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 2 pts · 219d
Yes, and your suggestion to me appears to be that there is nothing to be done, neighbor. I know you've got your own situations on the other side of the border, so I suppose you'll attend to those. Funny thing about epidemics and authoritarianism, neither respects national borders. I'm wishing for the best for all of us, you, and me both. BTW I never suggested you do anything. Be well.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 219d
Ya, it’s definitely spreading, we have our own northern magats to deal with.
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 2 pts · 219d
Ah, so you do see that there might be something for you to do. Wonderful. At least that's a modicum of progress. smh.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 218d
she was appointed to be trumps personal defense attorney for FREE.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 219d
Once this is over, and it will be over one day, what is going to happen with all these enablers that supported and protected trump, allowed him to continue his daily crimes and spread of hatred and violence, and just generally fucking up the world...?
Are we going to allow a "person" like this to just walk freely after being co-responsible for all the death and destruction that they caused?
SupraMario@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 219d
We will either get Nuremberg trials...or hand maids tail timelines... thats how this ends.
Strider@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 219d
Have a look at the German history. It's a glass half empty and full situation.
Paddzr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d
Presidential pardon ofc. Unless he has no further use of them, then the right will use it as grand example how there's no corruption because SOME didn't get away!
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 218d
Presidential pardons is what trump does. I'm talking about whoever, whatever follows whatever the hell this is
rayyy@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 219d
More occupation of cities. More invasions and threats of invasions. Anything but releasing the Epstein files.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 219d
Pam, you've got a little shit on your nose.
IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 218d
It's weird to me how everyone basically assumes the Epstein files are not getting released because Donald Diddler and friends do not want to be outed as pedophiles, when additionally Epstein managed investment accounts for the private globally wealthy and world leaders...so there are like hordes of financial crimes being covered up as well.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 219d
Every day that goes by you can be certain Trump is guilty of something heinous
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 219d
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 219d
Zephorah@discuss.online · 10 pts · 219d
She’s not going to because there’s no one with any power over her willing to hold her accountable.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 219d
Wasn't there a court order? Where the fuck is the contempt?
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 219d
Oh good, I was worried the other outrage on the need would be distracting from this even further.
Weren't they supposed to be held in contempt for obstructing justice if they missed the deadline?
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 219d
What Bondi really means is, "Stop fucking asking about them! Jesus, how many more distractions do we need to create?!"
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 218d
he already abandoned venezuela news, and greenland, hes on his tariff shtick again, but the allies are manuevering against it.
BillyClark@piefed.social · 8 pts · 219d
They don't need a release date in the first place. They already released some of the files in small batches. And then they completely stopped without any explanation.
So we can see what they do when they are releasing the files. They just release batches as they finish them.
The fact that they aren't doing that means that they intend to obstruct further progress on the release of the files.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 218d
and then had all these distractions to hopefully make people forget about. VENEZUELA, greenland, minnesota, more tariffs. trump falling asleep, hiding his hand.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 219d
Contempt of court. Put her in jail, they'll get released toot sweet.
CobblerScholar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d
More like "Pam who?"
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 219d
Who CARES? ALL he did was Sex Traffick Children to his SECRET CHILD RAPE ISLAND!
-People who Support ICE KIDNAPPING CHILDREN IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AND BRINGING THEM TO SECRET FACILITIES!
Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 219d
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 219d
She's got conflicted between releasing pedo files and releasing pedophiles. What a struggle.
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 219d
Why would they tell you how evil they actually are??? We will NEVER see those files while powerful people have the power to keep them away from you. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. I'm taking bets.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 5 pts · 219d
If there are no consequence the deadline is just a suggestion.
ChillPenguin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d
They have a concept of a release date.
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d
She keeps bondi'ing this all up!
mkhopper@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 219d
They keep running out of black Sharpie pens, and they're waiting on an Amazon delivery.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 219d
Now I'm wondering, how do you property redact a document? Surely there's a risk that the original text may remain legible or recoverable if you use the wrong ink or whatever?
Edit: Wikipedia, always here when you need it. ❤️
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redaction
Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 219d
China marker was the old method. I've not seen a reliable electronic method, but have heard of such a software being used in Washington.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 219d
Yeah, the Wikipedia page hints at an NSA document for redacting PDFs, though I didn't check it out.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
WTF, like $5000 DOGE return. Someone in the CIA or NSA must have the unredacted version.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 219d
You aren't my pal, Pamela. Wtf she is called Pam, it's degrading and also makes us treat her actions less serious than they are.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
Midterms. That’s when it will come out, when the house and senate flip on him.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 219d
This is why a general strike, while difficult to pull off, is the only way to fight back.
Try to escalate with violence, insurrection act, more dead innocent people.
You've got to fuck with the money. Money is the lifeblood of capitalism, and capitalism has stolen too much from the common person.
They can either fix capitalism and make sure we all benefit, or we have to burn it down and find something better.
Also,. Bitcoin is financial sovereignty. Make sure you're not one of the last ones to figure that out. And no I'm not interested in arguing about that with anyone.
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 219d
You had me until the last line. Yuck.
Xaphanos@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 219d
While I agree with you, it should not be something that divides us. It's a debatable point between reasonable people. Let's settle the big stuff first, and look at the details later. And withhold judgement
myrmidex@belgae.social · 5 pts · 219d
The issue is more about tieing such a great point (general strike) to something divisive and unrelated (bitcoin). It muddies the message of the former while attracting discussion about the latter.
On top of that, I can't imagine what the barricades will look like if bitcoin is required/accepted there. If money is involved, the revolution is already lost.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 219d
See this is the problem, people's knowledge of Bitcoin is still so meagre that comments like this while well-intentioned, come off as ignorant to those who actually took time (and many years) to understand it.
Tieing it together, what you're framing as a criticism is exactly the point. Bitcoin is a direct threat to the economic forces that allow corporations to use policy to unfairly enrich themselves at our expense. And no one has been able to touch it, let alone kill it. You hear about Bitcoin ETFs, banks buying for high net worth clients and sovereign strategic Bitcoin reserves....and people still think "scam"? No, that's capitulation. You can't beat them so join them.
If someone reading this has honest to god not taken the time to learn about Bitcoin but has been a loud critic over the years, give your head a shake. At least learn about it so you have a rational argument against it.
I've posted this many times before, and I'm sure I will again, but still, to this day, no one has been able to offer me an actual argument against Bitcoin that holds up. It's always based on false assumptions ("It uses too much electricity" = True, but no one can enforce a ban without hurting themselves economically, therefore the electricity problem is inevitable....."It has no fundamental/material value" = I have no idea how Bitcoin actually works, so I can't envision how an immutable blockchain with a hard supply limit and massive network effect can possibly have any value)
I said I wouldn't argue but I can't help screaming into the void. I did it with climate change 20 years ago, did it with MAGA 10 years ago, and I'm doing it with Bitcoin now. I talk about Bitcoin not because I want other people to drive up the value of my holdings, but because it's actually an amazing and elegant solution that was given to humanity as a gift, and I wish more people would see that.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 219d
Thank you for being a voice of reason - Bitcoin ties right into the big stuff though, I wouldn't want that point to be missed.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 219d
Thank you. This means more for me, and genuinely makes me happy.
Edit: In the interest of trying to be a good guy, I'd like to suggest that if you agreed with me right up until the end, you might want to consider why someone with very similar feelings and beliefs has this kind of conviction about Bitcoin. If you're just an "all crypto is trash" person because of vibes, you're no different than MAGA believing the things they do without bothering to learn.
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 219d
If you can't help but flash your bitcoin-shaped dick during a completely irrelevant conversation, I'm not the one who has a problem.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 219d
Ok, I don't feel like being a good guy anymore.
If all you have to say about a demonstrably relevant topic is that you're too fucking stupid to even try to understand it, then I sincerely hope you don't bother to.
One of my favorite quotes I like to lean on when dealing with the aggressively ignorant is "Bitcoin is everything people don't understand about computers combined with everything people don't understand about money." That's you pal, good luck!