c/news · by floofloof@lemmy.ca · 186d

Woman Told FBI Trump Abused Her at 13, Epstein Files Reveal

https://www.thedailybeast.com/woman-told-fbi-trump-abused-her-at-13-epstein-files-reveal/

cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/40574104

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ProfThadBach@lemmy.world · 145 pts · 185d (9 replies)

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FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 185d (1 reply)

Law enforcement works for the upperclass against everyone else. Always has.

Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 185d

Law enforcement protects capital.

chaogomu@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 185d (2 replies)

There was actually a guy mentioned in the Panama papers who went to prison. Not for the tax fraud, but for the murder of a journalist who was reporting on the tax fraud. Guy hired people to bomb her car, they're all are in prison now.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 185d (1 reply)

but that was the fall guy, not people in the panama papers.

chaogomu@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 185d

No, that was literally one of the rich assholes. Daphne Caruana Galizia was reporting on his finacial crimes when he decided that he should just have her killed.

But because that shit does not work like the movies say it does, he and his henchmen all got caught. And since society is not as willing to allow murder as it is financial crimes.

Fenech is a prominent criminal suspect. He was identified in 2018 as being the owner of the Ajman-registered company 17 Black. The company was listed in the Panama Papers and investigative journalist Caruana Galizia had written about 17 Black eight months before her death, alleging the company had links to Joseph Muscat's chief of staff Keith Schembri and to former energy minister Konrad Mizzi.[14] Later, the research group The Daphne Project came across e-mails between 17 Black and two shell companies in Panama, belonging to Mizzi or Schembri. The emails mentioned payments of up to $2 million for unspecified services. Mizzi was then Minister of Energy in Malta, Schembri Chief of Staff of Prime Minister Joseph Muscat.

Fenech was CEO of the Tumas Group and a director of energy company ElectroGas Malta; in 2019 he resigned from both positions.[15] On 25 November 2019 Tumas Group, operators of the Malta Hilton hotel, said that allegations linking Fenech to the murder of Daphne Caruana Galizia were "alien to the Tumas Group's values".[16] Group chair and shareholder, Raymond Fenech, and group shareholder Franco Fenech, uncle and brother to Yorgen Fenech,[17] are both implicated in assisting his escape[18] from Malta shortly before his arrest for murder.[19]

Fenech still hasn't gone to trial, but after 5 years in jail he was granted bail. This was not popular, because of the bribery.

TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 185d (2 replies)

Iceland protested after finding out their then prime minister is on Panama Papers, and the PM resigned.

logi@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 185d

Finally a comment about our country that doesn't grossly overstate our accomplishments 😎

RagingRobot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d

We need better than resign. We need murdered in the streets

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 185d

they blew up that reporter, that sent a message to the others.

some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 101 pts · 185d

You mean the guy who was gonna expose the “deep state”? Gosh…

kmartburrito@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 185d (25 replies)

theolodis@feddit.org · 20 pts · 185d (3 replies)

What the fuck am I reading? That last one, wtf. Please tell me that's just some AI slop, and not actually from the files....

0k_@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 185d (2 replies)

It's real

logi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 185d (1 reply)

But it's not given that it's true either.

Although with a large enough mountain of allegations, you'll be excused to expect that some of them are true. And one, obviously, is too many.

RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 185d

I’m not being nihilistic. I just want the kill shot to stick.

We need to make sure that Trump isn’t sending out fabrications to discredit the whole thing.

qbic@programming.dev · 16 pts · 185d (6 replies)

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01660679.pdf

Page 5/6

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245100.pdf

saimen@feddit.org · 7 pts · 185d (5 replies)

They are just sending these things around via email? Without encryption and everything?

Natanael@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 185d (1 reply)

Yes.

Meanwhile intelligence agencies says they want to stop encryption to help them investigate crime...

ViceroTempus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 185d

Well how else can they nip investigations on their Oligarchic Overlords in the bud? Or stop the working class from organizing?

Because it certainly isn't to stop evil, vile, shit from happening in the world. So far from what we've seen, the legal system works for evil. It protects these deeply rooted child rapists at every turn. So they certainly don't need to worry about encryption.

Panama Papers 2: Pedophile Boogaloo.

adhd_traco@piefed.social · 7 pts · 185d (2 replies)

Yup.

https://www.jmail.world/

saimen@feddit.org · 2 pts · 185d (1 reply)

But these mails are not from or to him. I thought they are from law enforcement and referring to them not using encryption.

adhd_traco@piefed.social · 1 pts · 185d

Oh, you mean the email exchanges between the FBI that are included in the newly released files. I didn't look at it deeply enough yet. But I'm guessing even if they have/had some degree of security in their mailing system, since those emails are relevant to the case, they were required to be added to the dossier regardless at some point.

dandylion@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 185d (11 replies)

we need patriarchy fuelled capitalism to end so bad. this is a world of violence and cruel power games, with its main victims being the poor and homeless, children, women and all workers. we need to dismantle this shit.

I hope to see more awareness of this in the close future.

Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 185d (10 replies)

Capitalism, just capitalism to end.

dandylion@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 185d (9 replies)

so patriarchy is alright? or are you implying there is no patriarchy without capitalism?

Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 185d (8 replies)

Im not implying anything. There is no such thing as patriarchal capitalism there is just capitalism.

You are complicating the issue by adding sexism to the mix.

Capital doesnt care if its male or female. Capitalists only care about their bottom line.

I get that you see mostly men in power but the truth is it would be the same if women owned the means of production.

So there is no such thing as ethical capitalism there is just capitalism and its destroying our world and society.

JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 185d

Patriarchy is a tool capitalism uses to keep the people fighting amongst themselves. Nesting dolls of bigotry.

dandylion@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 185d (6 replies)

how is bringing up patriarchy - the system which enables capitalism and vice versa - added sexism?

we've all agreed for a long time that "capitalism is bad". did anything change? the only way to change things is to look very closely and with awareness at what and who keeps these power dynamics up. if you think patriarchy has nothing to do with this, I highly recommend you educate yourself about it. I wonder why even on lemmy so many don't get this connection.

Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 185d (3 replies)

Its almost always white women who bring up patriarchy because they get to excuse themselves from the system that they've support and benefited from

dandylion@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 185d

we can be privilege-aware (we should btw) and still want equality for all.

rhombus@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 185d (1 reply)

Maybe capitalism enables patriarchy through entrenched power structures propping up men, but it generally enables all kinds of cultural hierarchies as tools to keep the masses divided. Singling out any division as something that enables capitalism doesn’t make much sense.

dandylion@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 185d

which (power)structures did capitalism emerge from? and still keeps up today?

dandylion@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 185d

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cabillaud@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d

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Decq@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 185d (4 replies)

So where are all the pizzagate people nowadays? Why didn't they storm the white house yet?

3abas@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 185d (2 replies)

Where are all the people saying "release the files"? Are they gonna shift the goal post now and call everything that happens a distraction from further releasing more files? When the US starts a major conflict with Iran tomorrow, are the comments gonna be memes about the Epstein files?

When will they recognize Trump can rape a child live on tv and his base will defend it? What are they waiting for? Why are they not revolting yet?

itistime@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 185d

The power of self-deception is incredible

Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d

They all voted for Trump

mirshafie@europe.pub · 7 pts · 185d

Those fucking clowns all thought they were privy to legitimate "intel" dossiers. They don't care about news or critical thinking, they're gonna need their commands in short-form reel-loop format just like their grifter führer.

athatet@lemmy.zip · 55 pts · 185d

ViceroTempus@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 185d (10 replies)

Why would the legal system built for the ultra wealthy, by the ultra wealthy come down on Trump?

Frankly this is proof you cannot use their legal system to bring them down. If we want Justice then it's going to need to be Mob Justice or some other form of Justice that exists outside of their legal system.

ChakraNorris@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 185d (7 replies)

The French had some good ideas for that, back in the day.

MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 185d (6 replies)

No, they didn't. The French Revolution was a cluster fuck and ultimately failed miserably.

seejur@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 185d (2 replies)

Considering most monarchies are no more in Europe, it didn't really fail miserably

MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 185d (1 reply)

Do you have any grasp of history?

It resulted in a dictatorship and then a return of the monarchy.

It DID NOT magically remove all monarchies in Europe, that is a ridiculous ahistorical claim. It didn't even ultimately remove the monarchy in fucking France.

seejur@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 185d

It was the start, because even if Emperor's went back, installed by foreign powers, they were heavily checked by other institutions, and removed again and again by the citizens of france. It ended effectively the age of absolutism and started democratic movements.

So yes, it was definitely important for democracies in Europe, a land entranced in absolutists kingdoms

Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 185d (1 reply)

He meant the guillotine, not their struggles.

MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d

They can't be separated. It's all part of the same historical process.

And it's lazy bullshit that prevents people from having to think or to take realistic actions.

RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 184d

How do you judge success or failure?

How would you respond to the claim that at the very least it permanently rewired the concept of legitimate government based on ideas like nation, citizenship and rights, even if the outcomes of that rewiring were neither linear nor immediate? Creating institutional templates, accelerating modern politics and seeding democracies?

MBech@feddit.dk · 3 pts · 185d

Best justice is being hung by the feet from the white house balcony.

MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d

Except for Jeffrey Epstein

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 185d (1 reply)

This the same woman who withdrew after multiple death threats in 2016?

gedaliyah@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 185d

I'm really curious about this too.

Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · 40 pts · 185d (5 replies)

We really need to be asking why there were never investigations. How does protection from the FBI work exactly, and how do we stop it from protecting monsters currently?

BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 185d

Be rich.
Be white.
Be connected.
Don't be a threat to anyone else on the list.

Natanael@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 185d

Lobbyists selected by rich people tell politicians who to appoint to lead agencies. These people give directives and can get agents fired for disobeying.

Stopping it means removing "single points of failures" like not having such a powerful hierarchy, in addition to accountability measures (independent inspections, etc)

jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 185d

I can't tell about these newly reported findings since details about when it was first reported isn't clear (only dates are 2025, so Trump's FBI..). However I suspect in the wake of Epstein's death and that pictures of Trump hanging with Epstein all over the internet flooded the FBI with a lot of stuff, much of which probably was fiction analagous to the whole 'pizzagate' thing. In a way, this gives the Trump admin plenty of material to use as cover, they can release a firehose of crackpot grade material from 2020 while perhaps holding back more substantive material, say from 2014 and older, when the signal to noise ratio would be much better.

I'd be particularly interested in material that originated from before 2017 or so, when almost no random folks would be aware of Epstein at all. I wager it's in there as given Trump's nature and the known nature of Epstein's activities, absolutely you know Trump was all in on it. But I can also believe they would prioritize release of crackpot reports that lack credibility even if they are believable narratives.

MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d

Kash Patel

dandylion@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 185d

because there is a pattern in who owns the most money and power.

and they love power over people more than obeying the law.

BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 38 pts · 185d (2 replies)

That makes him a HEBOPHILE and NOT a PEDOPHILE dumb Libtards!

-People who call Queers Pedophiles!

user224@lemmy.sdf.org · 13 pts · 185d (1 reply)

Well, actually, about that.
According to DSM-5, which is basically the thing for diagnostic criteria in the US:

Pedophilic disorder

302.2 (F65.4)

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
B. The individual has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
C. The individual is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.

Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.

Specify whether: