Sir Sean Connery was a selective actor

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panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 161 pts · 190d (36 replies)

I don’t think he’ he’d be a good Gandalf anyways

nothing against him, but what we got was perfect. 

The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world · 79 pts · 190d (11 replies)

It's hard for me to imagine anyone else in any of the roles. They are all such perfect fits.

flatplutosociety@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 189d (7 replies)

Gollum should've been played by Nicolas Cage. With no VFX or makeup.

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 189d (3 replies)

Also Willem Dafoe with a bald cap could pull it off.

finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 189d (1 reply)

"I'm something of a hoarder myself ... but only for this precious ring!"

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 189d

I'm currently watching the Mandalore gaming video on Ring and this sounds like an Alberich line.

SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 188d

Or Steve Buscemi

not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 189d

💀💀

finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 189d

"Mm! You! You ... come to me! You come to me because ... you're mine, right? Precious! PRECIOUS! I'm talking to you!"

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 189d

i really don't think anyone else could pull off the german neoclassicallism of the role

KneeTitts@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 189d (2 replies)

SC would have been awful as Gandalf to be honest

finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 189d

Could've been worse. Could've been Steven Segal.

tomiant@piefed.social · 3 pts · 188d

We musht go through the minesh of Moria.

dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 190d (19 replies)

That reminds me of how Will Smith turned down Neo in The Matrix because he thought Wild Wild West was the safer bet.

ieGod@lemmy.zip · 51 pts · 189d

He would have been an awful Neo. Bullet dodged for everyone.

slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 35 pts · 189d (2 replies)

Imagine all the matrix themed rap songs that were missing out on tho

datavoid@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 189d (1 reply)

Jazzy Jeff feat. Powerman 5000

slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 189d

Ok I wanna see that collaboration!

dalekcaan@feddit.nl · 15 pts · 190d (2 replies)

Ouch

harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 190d (1 reply)

Honestly, the only good decision he's made lately was to not appear in the Independence Day sequel.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 189d

i'm gonna be honest looking at will smith's career the good decisions were ones other people made

AEsheron@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 189d (6 replies)

Honestly though, I agree with him. WWW definitely is the safer bet on paper. But safer doesn't mean foolproof, and the risky ventures sometimes are the most profitable. Making the worse move doesn't necessarily mean you made the incorrect one.

maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 188d (5 replies)

Have you heard Kevin Smith's story about WWW?

toynbee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 188d (4 replies)

I haven't and would like to be enlightened.

damnedfurry@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 188d (3 replies)

You're going to enjoy this, I think (ignore the titles of the videos, this is definitely what @maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone was referring to, and the context makes the bit about WWW so much better:

https://youtu.be/Wo2KB1dEDdk
https://youtu.be/53hMYw8LX60

toynbee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d (2 replies)

Thanks! I'll check it out now.

toynbee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d

It seems like my client removed the ability to edit? I can't find it, anyway.

Regardless, that was entertaining. Thank you for the links.

Blackmist@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 189d (4 replies)

Yeah, but in the third act he got to fight a giant spider. Do you know anything about spiders? They're the fiercest killers in the insect kingdom.

PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 189d (2 replies)

They're not in the insect kingdom.

DreadPirateSnuggles@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 189d (1 reply)

They broke in, because they are the fiercest killer.

dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 188d

Touché.

silasmariner@programming.dev · 1 pts · 189d

Dragonflies would like a word

flatplutosociety@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 189d (2 replies)

He would've been awful. Connery was good at playing smarmy dickheads, but he was kind of ass any time he wasn't playing a smarmy dickhead.

dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 189d (1 reply)

This is why his performance in The Rock is pitch perfect.

flatplutosociety@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 188d

Exactly. He may not have been a great actor in terms of range or depth of character, but no one else is delivering a line like "Losers whine about doing their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen" like that.

SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 188d

You shall not pash

FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 190d (20 replies)

To be fair to Connery, Zardoz was right after 007. He was type casted and nobody would hire him. He had to do something different to get new work. Also, Zardoz is legit a good movie... If you get past the weird and laughable aesthetic choices, the plot is a decent sci fi plot.

TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 41 pts · 190d (8 replies)

And then Highlander, so it was no wonder he was a bit wary when it came to LOTR.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 55 pts · 190d (6 replies)

My shubmarine doeshn’t react well to bulletsh, Ryan.

very_well_lost@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 190d (3 replies)

You've really gotta admire his outright contempt at the thought of even attempting a Russian accent in that movie.

VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 189d

His character is actually Lithuanian, so he shouldn't have a Russian accent. Not that Scottish is accurate...

tempest@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 190d

It was a thriller movie in the 90s for American audiences.

Whether he had contempt or not the accents did not matter. Just needed something to indicate "not American"

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 189d

It’s honestly hilarious and one of the reasons I love that movie

Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 190d (1 reply)

“Some things in here don’t react well to bullets”

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 189d

Sorry, I munged the quote a bit from memory 😅

Addendum:

Shome thingsh in here don’t react well to bulletsh

sartalon@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 189d

But Highlander was awesome.

It won the Academy Award for best movie ever made.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 190d

Also, Zardoz is legit a good movie

UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 17 pts · 190d

Also, Zardoz is where he came up with the policy of not acting in movies that he doesn't "get".

TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 189d (3 replies)

Zardoz is legit a good movie

I assumed it was going to be, but when I watched I found it aggressively terrible.

FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 189d (2 replies)

But, did you watch it a second time? Honestly it's awful the first watch because you can't get past the aesthetic of it. When I watched it again I realized the movie itself is pretty good. It's practically the definition of a good bad movie.

TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 189d (1 reply)

I have not. Maybe I'll try it again someday because I actually have more than once hated a movie first try and liked it on second viewing.

FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 189d

I don't blame you. I took a long time between viewings. I liked it enough that I had my goalie mask painted like the big stone head. I figured it was funny and a stone head was appropriate for a goalie.

marcos@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 190d (4 replies)

Zardoz is legit a good movie

Well, ok. But we are comparing it with the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

(But then, committing to a trilogy probably has a huge opportunity cost.)

UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 24 pts · 190d

Bear in mind that very few people thought a film adaptation of LOTR was actually going to be any good. It seems obvious now, but it was not seen a really viable project with how trilogies were made at the time (with many years between them) the amount of budget needed, and the effects challenges. The guys who made the movies deserve a lot of credit for doing something so well that it looks obvious when they are done, but little thinks like how to do the hobbits were seen as effects challenges with no real solution that wouldn't look stupid or be insanely expensive.

Connery would have been the biggest name in the film and getting attached to something that wound up looking like shit or making him look stupid would have been a bigger problem for him than anyone. Again, its obvious that they turned out great, but look at what Peter Jackson made before this and its not really as obvious a choice as one would think now (although I am personally a fan of his early work, I get why people might not be and why people maybe wouldn't hand him the biggest film franchise in history).

And just for a fun tidbit, at the time that Connery bailed on the offer the film was being produced by Weinstein, so I get maybe not wanting to work with that dirtbag. They almost lost Liv Tyler for the same reason and reportedly did lose them Ashley Judd and Mia Sorvino, who flat out refused to be attached to anything involving him.

Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · -13 pts · 190d (2 replies)

Frankly LOTR is way overrated. Both the books (and therefore) the movies.

Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 190d (1 reply)

That's a bold thing to say out loud in these parts... I like your moxie.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 190d

That moxie can be thrown into mount doom and incinerated

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 189d (17 replies)

I heard this story, not sure if it's true, but I choose to believe it and will not hear any corrections; apparently, he was approached about Gandalf, but he turned it down because he didn't really understand it. Then he was approached about Dumbledore, but turned it down because he didn't really understand it. After seeing how those two franchises turned out, he said, "screw it, I'm taking the next role that I don’t get." That role was Alan Quartermaine in League of Extraordinary Gentleman. After that movie bombed he retired from acting altogether.

BluesF@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 189d (4 replies)

That role was Alan Quartermaine in League of Extraordinary Gentleman. After that movie bombed he retired from acting altogether.

Which is a shame really because I remember it being... Kinda good? Clearly not a work of great art, but fun action silliness. Admittedly I watched it as a kid and never again so who knows really.

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 189d

Didn’t hate it? It was a fun action film. Sometimes people take things too seriously.

PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 189d

It has some of the worst dialogue and pacing of any movie I've ever seen. I can see how it would be fun as a kid, but even as a teenager, it sucked ass.

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 189d

With adult eyes, it's pretty bad. Also, it's an adaptation of a much better Alan Moore graphic novel.

toynbee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 186d

I don't feel the need to discuss the rest of the movie but that car, though ... It was a thing of beauty.

Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 189d (5 replies)

I'd also argue that however the movie did after the fact, turning down roles you don't understand is probably the smarter option. Maybe those other movies would have also flopped if they had Connery in those roles.

Like I can't picture him doing a good Gandalf. It wouldn't be Gandalf, it would be Sean Connery in a wizard outfit. I can't think of any roles where Connery played someone who wasn't Sean Connery. He brought a lot of charisma to his roles but not a ton of range.

BluesF@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 189d (3 replies)

Jesus can you actually imagine if LOTR had Sean Connery instead of Ian McKellen? Hideous prospect. No shade to Connery, he's played some of my favourite characters over the years, but christ that would have been a terrible mistake.

BlackVenom@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 189d (2 replies)

Idk he could land "Run, you foolsh!" pretty well.

Rooty@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 189d (1 reply)

"You shall not pash!"

"Is it shecret? Is it shafe?"

"When did Sharuman the wishe replace hish wishdom with madnessh?"

You could play this game all day long

BluesF@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 188d

"I have no memory of this plashe..."

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 189d

I agree that he wouldn't have been right for either part, but I'm sure they still would have been very successful franchises. Also, he probably wouldn't have gotten either part (definitely not Gandalf), they were just approaching him about it. Producers on Batman (1989) were in talks with Bill Murray and Pierce Brosnan before they moved on to Michael Keaton, but it's pretty unlikely either one would have made it.

GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 188d (5 replies)

He didn't quit acting just because the movie bombed. Him and the director had such epic fights on the set of the movie, that BOTH of them quit Hollywood afterwards.

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 188d (4 replies)

I already told you, I will not hear corrections! Blocked!!!

GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 188d (3 replies)

Well, just for blocking me, I'm blocking you. In fact, I'm double blocking you! NyahNyah! ;P

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 188d (2 replies)

In all seriousness though, thank you for the information, but I will still continue to believe that Sean Connery gave up acting because he could no longer figure out what good or bad movies were.

svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 188d (1 reply)

I mean, looking back at his filmography, he arguably never could. (Zardoz is good, though.)

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 188d

Highlander rocks too. Time Bandits as well. He had some interesting, unorthodox choices throughout his career.

bizarroland@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 190d

There was a population boost in the town they filmed Zardoz in due to all of the drug-induced revelry that was going on during the making of that movie.

There is a good chance that town is populated with tens if not scores of Sean Connery's illegitimate grandchildren now.

RobMyBot@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 189d (4 replies)

Okay, but hear me out. Zardoz is good.

I know it looks goofy, and it IS goofy. But it's also GOOD.

yakko@feddit.uk · 18 pts · 189d

The director's commentary is so delightfully honest, right at the top he's like "so I'll be the first to admit, this film kinda got away from us,"

Quoting from memory. But that was the gist.

peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 189d (1 reply)

I need to watch it. The guy who hosts our card games has that picture on a greeting card on his fridge, it makes me laugh everytime I see it.

GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 188d

Cards against Humanity put out an answer card that was just the Zardoz image with no words, and in our games whoever played that card as an answer automatically won that hand.

RogueJello@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 189d

Same. It was actually trying things, but all people see is this one image of Sean Connery.

Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 190d
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Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 189d (7 replies)

I mean, maybe the bottom picture made perfect sense to Sean?

faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 21 pts · 189d (4 replies)

Yeah, it's called "I was young and broke, and needed the money".

Although, I really do recommend watching Zardoz at least once. It's a trip.

Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 189d (2 replies)

I fucking love Zardoz!

Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 189d

When I first watched it for the ridiculous Sean Connery outfit I became quickly outraged that it's not spoken of more highly in sci-fi film media. It's got some really solid bones.

EarthshipTechIntern01@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 189d

Zardoz is sci-fi gold platinum.

b_tr3e@feddit.org · 3 pts · 189d

Definitely - a bit of a long and weird trip, that is. Obviously some obscure hippie stuff from the early 1970s.

Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 189d

Or it's the reason he stopped doing ones he thought made no sense to him?

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 189d

i mean, i can understand zardoz tho

cheesybuddha@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 188d (1 reply)

Zardoz was awesome though. It actually had an interesting world and compelling sci fi ideas. And one of the greatest reveals in cinema! You know why call him "Zardoz", right?

ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 5 pts · 188d

The gun is good! Penis is evil!

Jax@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 189d

I've enjoyed a great deal of movies with Connery as the lead. I think he made the right choice not being Gandalf.

totesmygoat@piefed.ca · 12 pts · 190d (4 replies)

I'm sure his time on league of extraordinary gentlemen made him never want to do anything even near that kind of movie ever again.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 190d (3 replies)

Ouch. I liked that movie and always wanted a sequel

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 189d (2 replies)

Biggest problem with that movie is it's pacing IMO, shouldve either been an hour longer or gone in with the intention of making it two movies. At the very least they needed to include some pre release specials on the Sci-fi channel going over the history of the characters mostly because while most of the characters come from early modern literature Mina Harker for example is pretty fucken obscure if you haven't consumed more Dracula or it's more direct adaptations.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 189d (1 reply)

I have obscure tastes, LoL. Actually I found it most difficult to explain the science and technology background of Nemo to the uninitiated - people just know him as the guy with the submarine but the car and other tech were right in line with the character

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 189d

Honestly I kinda wonder if it would've done better nowadays, it's basically a live action cousin of the Castlevania anime in a lot of ways. Still very cheesy but it is more than capable of taking itself seriously and generally respects the source materials, Jeckel and Hyde not withstanding but they always get messed up.

Rooty@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 189d (2 replies)

Cocaine was cheap and plentiful in the 70s.

Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 188d (1 reply)

Connery was old school. He was into whiskey and beating women.

HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 188d

Not Lola Larson though

humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 189d

The gun is good!

TheGiantKorean@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 190d

The name is Grey. Gandalf the Grey.

TomMasz@piefed.social · 9 pts · 190d (2 replies)

Even selective people make bad selections now and then.

ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 189d (1 reply)

You can even be selective and make only bad choices. Ask me how I know.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 189d

i didn't think we'd met

spirinolas@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 190d (1 reply)

Mandatory "you shall not paasshh"

tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 188d

A wizhard comesh preshisely when he intendsh too.

Blackmist@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 189d

Connery even made a Michael Bay movie watchable.

There's not many actors that can say that.

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 189d (1 reply)

He did his best work in Time Bandits.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 189d

time bandits is cheating

agingelderly@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 190d (3 replies)

I didn't realize he died during the plague. I thought he died during the Lord of the Rings and my first thought was good thing he didn't take it, for that reason

UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 5 pts · 190d (2 replies)

You are probably thinking of Michael Gambon who died after the sixth Harry Potter movie.

dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 190d (1 reply)

Michael Gambon took over for Richard Harris, who passed in 2002 after Chamber of Secrets. Michael Gambon did pass, but in 2023, which was long after the book movies.

ieGod@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 189d

But still after the sixth movie.

Smoogs@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 190d (1 reply)

His nose does not fit the role

samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 189d

Ian McKellen wore a prosthetic nose for the role.

Gort@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 188d

Oddly, I'd rather watch the imaginative Zardoz than LotR or The Hobbit. Sorry...

BTW, The Hill and The Offence are two Connery films that are well worth watching. His stint on The Hill, IMO, was his best role.

EsmereldaFritzmonster@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 188d

I've never watched this movie, but have seen images from it. I thought this was burt Reynolds this whole time

texture@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 188d

this woman beater can piss off

good post

TomArrr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 189d

People still wondering why Sean Connery isn't a household name....... 🙄 /s