Microsoft's planned new AI trick for Edge will 'automatically open the Copilot side pane' with Outlook email links — and I can feel the hate already

https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/microsofts-planned-new-ai-trick-for-edge-will-automatically-open-the-copilot-side-pane-with-outlook-email-links-and-i-can-feel-the-hate-already

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zigmus64@lemmy.world · 99 pts · 171d (14 replies)

The only thing Edge is good for is downloading literally any other browser…

partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 171d (1 reply)

It also has a good use of being the toilet of browsers. As in, if you ever are required to temporarily install some pervasive plugin or extension to take a proctored exam or something, Edge is good to use because you know you won't use the that browser for anything you care about and you can protect good browsers from those garbage plugins.

VonReposti@feddit.dk · 28 pts · 171d

That's what I have an entire laptop for. I call it the Dust Collector. It's sole purpose is to collect dust and maybe once or twice a year be ready for a proctored exam. It's not even allowed on my home network.

Ftumch@lemmy.today · 30 pts · 171d (3 replies)

Better to use winget, though. That way you don't even need to bother with Edge's initial setup screens.

IratePirate@feddit.org · 29 pts · 171d (2 replies)

Better to use apt-get though. That way you don't even need to bother with the dumpster fire that is Windows 11.

embed_me@programming.dev · 4 pts · 170d (1 reply)

Better to build from source, that way you don't have to deal with the snap versions of the program

IratePirate@feddit.org · 2 pts · 170d

Gentoo user: "Of course we build from source! (What are snaps?)"

LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 171d

As Ftumch said, winget is really the way to go these days. No browser, just:

Terminal > winget install mozilla.firefox > Done.

Damage@feddit.it · 5 pts · 171d (1 reply)

It's good for viewing PDFs

theolodis@feddit.org · 4 pts · 170d

I think Firefox does that just as well, and also allows you to edit them.

CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d

We wouldn‘t even need it for that if their Windows store versions of browsers weren‘t so terrible.

abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · -12 pts · 171d (3 replies)

No, that was IE. Edge is decent enough browser for normies, equal to chrome.

village604@adultswim.fan · 15 pts · 171d (2 replies)

You're not wrong. Edge is just Chromium with MS branding. It's not a bad browser like IE was.

Although if they do shit like this it will be.

abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 171d

Fair enough, let me rephrase that to "5 years ago, edge was decent enough". But so many big companies are ruining their product with AI these days. It s almost the status quo.

4am@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 171d

Edge is nice at work because it works with all the apps we have that still expect IE rendering quirks.

I wouldn’t bother with it if you are at home.

leagman1@feddit.org · 50 pts · 171d (4 replies)

Luckily there's still the trick of not using Edge. Who knows for how long.

XLE@piefed.social · 45 pts · 171d (3 replies)
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Crackhappy@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 171d (2 replies)
  i                you

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NGram@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 171d (1 reply)

i you hate?

XLE@piefed.social · 6 pts · 171d

Because Dennis is a bastard man!

bcgm3@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 171d (2 replies)

Just let the AI have a teensy weensy peek at all of your emails, guys, it's just an itsy bitsy little peek, what's the big deal, why don't you trust us??

Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 170d

And if it's a gmail account you get to have two companies reading all of your mail!

CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d

Companies that use Outlook use Microslop Teams for communication anyway. I work for one of those and honestly? Not my problem. I can‘t make them use open source software and I‘m not paid enough to convince them.

Buelldozer@lemmy.today · 31 pts · 171d (7 replies)

I'll hate it because this already happens with links in MS Teams where despite having a high spec work computer it makes the system so sluggish that the mouse cursor won't move smoothly for 15 seconds or so while it sorts itself out.

I mean I've already got a Core i7 with 32G of RAM and an NVME sitting on my desk so how much freaking horsepower is THIS little stunt going to take?

Steve@startrek.website · 20 pts · 171d (2 replies)

Edge browser now required a GPU with 12Gb VRAM minimum.

OF COURSE YOU CAN RENT GPU CLOUD COMPUTE!

4am@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 171d (1 reply)

Steve.

Steve fuckin’ gets it.

NotSteve_@piefed.ca · 14 pts · 170d

Not me though

4am@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 171d (1 reply)

You don’t have enough AI-ready GPU cores so Teams is running the local copilot model on the CPU with your most recent outlook emails in order to prepare a dummy to send to the cloud for further analysis

…I don’t know if any of the above is true but if it didn’t even stop you for a second to question it, isn’t it time to get off Windows?

I’m not even going to recommend an OS, just anything but Windows. Fucking Apple is more trustworthy.

Buelldozer@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 170d

You don’t have enough AI-ready GPU cores so Teams is running the local copilot model on the CPU with your most recent outlook emails in order to prepare a dummy to send to the cloud for further analysis

That's a depressingly probable reason even though you meant it as techno-babble. It is actually possible that the machine doesn't have enough NPU power!

isn’t it time to get off Windows?

I'm already using Linux everywhere I can both personally and at work, heck even my work laptop is running Linux. The blocker on my work desktop is that the remote access tool I use multiple times a day doesn't have a functional Linux version.

I could switch my work desktop over to Apple but I've never liked MacOS.

Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 170d

None, if you ditch windows.

Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 170d

No amount of processing power can beat bad code.

jtrek@startrek.website · 23 pts · 171d

This experience helps users quickly understand content

They really think we're stupid. Unfortunately, they may be mostly right.

WesternInfidels@feddit.online · 20 pts · 171d

So somebody took a look at the modern web and thought "Hey, this is pretty good, but you know what would make it even better? Even more shit you didn't ask for popping up in your face with every click!"

Stern@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 170d

"People hate it when we force copilot and AI stuff on them, what should we do? Folks hate it so much they're actively leaving our OS!"

"Okay, hear me out: Add more."

sonofearth@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 170d (3 replies)
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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 170d (1 reply)

Microsoft is currently pushing everyone to use office on the cloud, so they kinda are making office work on Linux (in a web browser).

Outlook running natively on windows is currently being phased out, Of course the cloud services version of outlook sucks eve more than the native version, and that's saying something. It looks like it's just hotmail to me. But that's what they're pushing everyone to. I wouldn't be surprised if the start phasing out other office products running natively in the coming years. Office already does everything it can to save files to one drive.

Cloud services are making them money, so much like how they're putting AI into everything, they also seem to want to put everything on the cloud because.... more cloud money! After all you can't just continue to use the older version of excel installed on your computer when excel exists in the cloud. You'll have to pay a subscription to continue using their software because it lives in the cloud.

Yeah your strategy would make sense if Microsoft were still the machiavellian schemers they used to be. But now they just seem to be chasing after money in the short term in whatever looks to be growing (cloud services and AI) with no real long term strategy at all. And they really really want people to pay a subscription to use their software. But in their greed they just might kill their Windows business.

sonofearth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d
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Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 170d

I see more and more open office style docs, and also pdfs.

FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 170d

Windows users, I hope you guys know that you have our support in these trying times. I'm wearing a ribbon and everything.

Microsoft only beats you because they love you

lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 170d (2 replies)

Install Linux, Problem Solved.

InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 170d (1 reply)

Microsoft ♥️ Linux

jabjoe@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 170d

To be clear, Microsoft ♥️ Money. Azure would be dead in the water if they didn't support Linux. Web development is Linux development, so their platform would be dead for web development if they didn't do WSL. They do only the Linux they have to.

Jacob_Hargreave@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 171d

The Grammarly plugin also started opening their AI chat panel in the side panel randomly once a day. And they also have a ton of false positive highligting that's just plain ridiculous since they 'improved' their spelling checker with AI. I uninstalled it.

TomMasz@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 171d (2 replies)

"Customers hate AI" means "Cram more AI into everything" to Microsoft.

parsizzle@piefed.social · 3 pts · 170d (1 reply)

I see they are doing this and I can't help but wonder, to what end? I dont know if its just the current internet echo chamber I occupy but it seems to me that its a fairly universally disliked proposition/concept to continue heaping LLMs into everything.

RamRabbit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d

All they had to do was make a copilot app that you install from the Windows store. Nobody would have disliked them for that. They probably could have even pre-installed it and people would have only groaned.

But, no, they have to just keep pushing and pushing, regardless of how many times you say no. As Rossmann says: A rapist mentality.

thorhop@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 171d

haha nuke the partition, put Linux on it

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 170d (8 replies)
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JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org · 5 pts · 170d (3 replies)

It is sadly becoming the standard in business settings. If your IT department is setting Edge as standard, there is not a lot that you can do

Kjell@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d

My company laptop had both Edge and Chrome installed the first time I started it. Edge is the default and the one with an icon on the taskbar. I'm convinced that most people, at least outside engineering, will use Edge as their main browser.

Luckily for me I have the "Local admin" access so the first thing I do is to download Firefox and set it up as my default browser. On the time reporting site I get warnings that my browser is not Chrome, but it still works without any problems.

flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 170d

It really sucks for non-developers. I can easily afford to walk out the door laughing when a place I'm interviewing for tells me I'd have to use Windows, but clearly that's not a privilege all professions have

Rooster326@programming.dev · 1 pts · 170d

My place of work didn't block Chrome or Firefox but they are making it difficult to use.

They literally just wiped the Saved Passwords and Bookmarks off our PCs because...???

Didn't touch Edge, the "supported" browser.

01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 170d

Why? Some people like living on the edge.

lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 170d

The company I work for makes us. We have chrome but they're constantly threatening to remove it and if you have a technical issue with something web based and you're not using edge IT won't help you.

Ledivin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d (1 reply)

Meh, Edge is no worse than Chrome at this point (because it's chromium now)... Which is still mediocre, but it's not horrible

Rooster326@programming.dev · 2 pts · 170d

How is it not twice as bad?

You get all the telemetry of Google and then Microsoft shenanigans.

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 171d

Using a macbook for the picture tho. Rude.

totesmygoat@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 171d

Cool. Well, Billy pedogates, edge sucks, Outlook sucks, and copilot sucks. Don't use them. Always try to remove them. I know you love to try to shove it on me like your trying to dose the wife for you stds. But Microsoft will always be tainted by you.

TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 170d
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mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 171d (5 replies)

I thought they wanted people to use their products?

this just pushes people away.

krashmo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 171d (4 replies)

Who uses edge though

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 170d

Regular folks. Tbh I default my clients to it lol. Syncs their shit in PC upgrades which makes it easier for me. If they install something else, whatever.

maniclucky@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d (2 replies)

People installing firefox or chrome.

Grass@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 171d (1 reply)

I'm pretty sure now you can do a powershell one liner for that

maniclucky@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d

I feel like most people with a new Windows installation aren't going to know that one.

neclimdul@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 170d

I used Edge for business tasks. Not like work task, or normal browsing, etc. But figured if someone was going to send me an excel document, if I say “well I opened it in edge" when it breaks, it avoids some problems.

But with the latest updates they've really been "Microsofting" it hardcore. Chrome dialogs with broken buttons, impossible to use combined tabs behaviour, dead end settings pages with no controls, crashes, slower and slower browsing...

It's becoming such a disaster I can't even use it for that anymore. Now this? Thank god Firefox is still around. Legit hearing people talking about it again...

P1k1e@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 170d

Ugh I never looked in the top right corner of outlook till today.....there it is, that piece of shit. Why would I need a goddamn summary of an email I'm already reading

raynethackery@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d

I only use Edge at work because of some screen refresh glitch with Chrome. Whenever I would do something in Outlook, the entire screen would blink for a second. Very annoying. I never put a ticket in because Edge worked fine. Now I will have to enter ticket hell.

NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 170d
echodot@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 170d

Who is making these decisions and what is their come to blood ratio, because I'm reckoning it's fairly high.

maplesaga@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d (3 replies)

I've been learning intune and its terrible, its crazy that even Microsofts new software is garbage.

Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 170d (1 reply)

Intune is 15+ years old.

maplesaga@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d

Well then I guess it being crap is justified, assuming they stopped developing after a year or two.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 170d

Oh, you mean Microsoft 365 where UIs all clash, familiar buttons are moved every other month or put into a different admin center, and how disjointed the whole platform is when you want to administer the whole thing? You don't say..