Israel/US attacked Iran.
Iran responded by attacking Israel and US bases in the gulf used to attack Iran.
UK is using their fighter jets to shoot down drones headed to US bases in the gulf.
UK condemns Iran for attacking gulf.
Not everything is defending yourself. Revenge killing civilians doesn't suddenly become ok because your civilians died. Military bases are fair game, but it seems more than that is happening...
In my mind that would be the main reason why. An sane population wouldn't stand for their children to get killed and you do nothing. It forces your opponent into action and you can exploit that action.
With some infrastructure and certain targets a response can be delayed. Mass civilian/children casualties mean an immediate retaliation is in order or your population revolts to make one happen.
You see it in Palestine; people with nothing to lose become beligerant. You kill their kids they attack viciously. Much easier to attempt to justify fighting a "vicious rabbid opponent" than a defense less peaceful one. However, if they go the opposite end and attempt peace and calm, they are easy to mow down
Fuck me, this response genuinely makes me feel less safe in the UK.
What the fuck does the orange paedophile have to do before this utter prick stops siding with him.
That's not how the world works. You could've just said "the current non-Western-aligned regime is not valuable enough to salvage by other non-Western-aligned countries" or that "the cost-benefit analysis makes no sense". Just saying.
WTF? NO!
While that may be somewhat true for instance for China, Russia is borderline bankrupt both economically and politically. Same as Iran.
It's not a matter of cost benefit, when you simply don't have any resources to spare.
And secondly, I very much doubt Russia would ever dare challenging USA.
Russia only has about a tenth the military, economic and industrial power USA has.
Keir Starmer has demanded that the Iranian regime ends retaliatory strikes on neighbours in the Middle East in response to a pre-emptive attack by the US and Israel
The strikes are on American bases used to attack Iran, they aren't on the gulf countries themselves, no matter how you or the leaders try to twist it.
The only danger to civilians has come directly from falling debris from not letting the missiles hit their intended targets. The US/UK/gulf militaries are not defending civilians, they are protecting American bases.
Meanwhile Israel directly bombed an elementary school on a school day in Iran and killed over 50 children.
The UK should condemn Israel, not Iran for defending itself after a surprise attack in the middle of peace talks, or "preemptive" as they like to call it.
Yes, quite literally. No civilians were targeted in the gulf, only American military.
"The UAE defense ministry said most of the missiles and drones were intercepted but at Abu Dhabi’s Zayed International Airport officials said at least one person was killed and seven wounded in an “incident.”
Earlier, falling debris killed a Pakistani civilian in Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates’ capital, officials said."
The only threat to civilians is the falling debris from intercepting the missiles. We are "collateral damage" they are happy to incur to install a US puppet in Iran, the priority is to defend the war machine.
Pretty sure they already did
This is the second time in this thread you go just assert a falsehood with your guess and are satisfied with that, anything to defend and justify the war.
No, they didn't condemn Israel, they only condemned Iran in this war that was forced upon them. And worse, now Britain to let US use bases to strike Iran.
Protection from who?! We were well on the way to normalizing things with Russia since the early 00s, and then the Burgers couped Ukraine and fucked with the pipeline. China has never shown any aggression, they're the world's manufacturers so business is good for them, and countries like Pakistan, India, Iran and NK have nothing to do with Europe geopolitically speaking.
So, again, who do you think Burgerland is "protecting" us from? Nah, man, we're there with them as sidekicks when it's time to murder and pillage, and we get the scraps (well, our aristocrats, mostly).
A: "Today I saw some psychopaths bombing the shit out of some kids.."
B: "So, did you do anything to help??"
A: "Sure I did! You should have seen how we destroyed those kids.."
As an American, I don't think my government needs any help defending itself in its quest to create another smoldering husk of a middle eastern terror state that hates us more now than they did before we bombed them back to the stone ages.
Is there really an applicable difference between joining in on the attack and defending the person doing the attacking? That's like holding someone's hands behind their back while someone else punches them. For all intents and purposes you are part of the attack.
It's really, really important for people to understand that Iranians wanting Khamenei gone is NOT the same thing as Iranians wanting the US and Israel to bomb their country.
I'll shed no tears for the end of Khomenei or the IRGC. I'll shed endless tears for Iranian civilians. As I have since 2006, I hope the Iranian people can change the world.
LOL, ok Cheney. I'm sure this regime change war is different. All those other times we attacked "one of the most horrific regimes in the world" where the good people just needed a little boost to overthrow them it didn't work out that way because... reasons. This time it's going to be quick an easy and we'll definitely be the good guys!
Dude. I'm willing to tell a foreign power my governing regime is horrific and we'd welcome invasion right now. There were Venezuelans asking for invasion, Iraqis asking for invasion, Afghanis asking for invasion. Do you think all those other countries didn't have both bad regimes and opposition who wanted them gone? How'd that work out for us?
I guess in a fucked up way it's good to know the Brits and by association the Europeans are just as vile and evil as us. I mean, I know we all have the same capacity for good and evil, but EU smugness is rampant and unhelpful. They need a dose of reality too.
Coming to the offense of your Israeli masters isn't a show of force? I'm not making any excuses for the US it's an evil empire, but so are the Brits and Europeans. I'm just tired of the holier-than-thou smugness from Europeans and Brits. You're as vile and nasty as us.
Arbitrary lines drawn by like minds. The UK might not be officially in the EU anymore, but that doesn't change the fact that you all share the same values and lifestyles as the US. Failed liberal democracies that gave all the power to the owner class that are now welding it to murder children and overthrow sovereign nations. Western civilization is a joke. You're all patsies like us. No better, no worse.
My point was that the UK and EU don't have a leg to stand on when criticizing the genocidal US. You're as guilty as we are. Just watch as the UK and EU put boots on the ground in defense of Israel.
There isn’t even support for this in the US, and you think the EU will help after all the threats, insults and tariff bullying? We have a war in Ukraine where a friendly nation is defending against an aggressor, I don’t see any country willing to support this clusterfuck besides perhaps the UK
Not gonna lie. I was a bit pissed off at the world and lashed out at the UK and the EU. They don't deserve it, at least not yet, but I have no doubt that y'all are cucked by us and that ain't good. Many EU dudes are all about the fascism zeitgeist and that's worrisome.
We would if we could, as we have historically done. But, hey, if a thief gets his hands cut and can never steal again, that still means he's less damaging for the world (whether he wanted it or not). Let's focus on Burgerland, since the UK and some (most?) European countries are just sidekicks without much individual power to coerce the world. I highly doubt that the French or British empire will rise again, you know?
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grte@lemmy.ca · 152 pts · 198d
It's not defence when you're on the side that attacked, Starmer, you worm.
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 198d
In what way are we on the US's side?
Riverside@reddthat.com · 17 pts · 197d
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 197d
I'm pretty sure you haven't read the article.
3abas@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 197d
Israel/US attacked Iran. Iran responded by attacking Israel and US bases in the gulf used to attack Iran. UK is using their fighter jets to shoot down drones headed to US bases in the gulf. UK condemns Iran for attacking gulf.
You follow that?
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 197d
Ok, so what other countries have Iran attacked that have no involvement. I love how you missed out this important fact to push your narrative.
3abas@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 197d
None...
What countries do you think they attacked that have no involvement?
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 193d
You're incapable of answering a question. Sure sign of below bot intelligence.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 115 pts · 198d
So Israel and the US attacked Iran. Iran then fired back, the UK now is dogpiling Iran because they are firing back?
imrighthere@lemmy.ca · 67 pts · 198d
uk crawled all the way inside trumps diaper quite a while back, did you not notice that ?
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 198d
That is a disgusting image. As an Anglophile I am sad as fuck at the state of England.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 23 pts · 198d
"Don't defend yourself! Just lie back and let it happen."
Tja@programming.dev · -10 pts · 198d
Not everything is defending yourself. Revenge killing civilians doesn't suddenly become ok because your civilians died. Military bases are fair game, but it seems more than that is happening...
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 197d
I think a lot of people missed this memo over the last few years or even became absolutely unhinged when it has been pointed out.
Tja@programming.dev · 4 pts · 197d
I think a lot of people straight disagree, sadly.
Babalugats@feddit.uk · 72 pts · 198d
Israeli military bombs another school (wtf is their hard on for schools in general. They either want to kill them or fiddle with them)
Trump (the biggest terrorist in the world at the minute) declares that he wants to take out the terrorists.
And the UK joins in. On their side.
Fuck off.
Felis_Rex@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 198d
Provokation and emotional response.
In my mind that would be the main reason why. An sane population wouldn't stand for their children to get killed and you do nothing. It forces your opponent into action and you can exploit that action.
With some infrastructure and certain targets a response can be delayed. Mass civilian/children casualties mean an immediate retaliation is in order or your population revolts to make one happen.
You see it in Palestine; people with nothing to lose become beligerant. You kill their kids they attack viciously. Much easier to attempt to justify fighting a "vicious rabbid opponent" than a defense less peaceful one. However, if they go the opposite end and attempt peace and calm, they are easy to mow down
Babalugats@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 198d
Makes sense.
The actual act of what they did wouldn't even register with them.
Riverside@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 197d
bob@feddit.uk · 41 pts · 198d
Fuck me, this response genuinely makes me feel less safe in the UK. What the fuck does the orange paedophile have to do before this utter prick stops siding with him.
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 36 pts · 198d
Yup, this is seriously heading towards a World War.
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 198d
That's an insane claim. Nobody will help Iran. Iran has no real friends, not even Russia.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 197d
That's not how the world works. You could've just said "the current non-Western-aligned regime is not valuable enough to salvage by other non-Western-aligned countries" or that "the cost-benefit analysis makes no sense". Just saying.
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 197d
WTF? NO!
While that may be somewhat true for instance for China, Russia is borderline bankrupt both economically and politically. Same as Iran.
It's not a matter of cost benefit, when you simply don't have any resources to spare.
And secondly, I very much doubt Russia would ever dare challenging USA.
Russia only has about a tenth the military, economic and industrial power USA has.
NABDad@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 198d
Who fighting who?
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 198d
Iran alone fighting multiple powers, that each are more powerful than Iran by themselves.
_Nico198X_@piefed.europe.pub · 4 pts · 198d
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 198d
Yep, that indeed looks like we are heading towards a world war.
Thanks for clearing up the statement by MadMadBunny, and prove the stupidity of it. 🤣
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 36 pts · 198d
nigga what
mlg@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 198d
Now I know why its called The Onion
The joke is the layers of sarcasm
"preemptive regime change strike" by itself is already making my head spin lol
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 197d
I think he's talking about strikes on Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and UAE.
UK condemned the US/Israeli strikes on Iran.
3abas@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 197d
The strikes are on American bases used to attack Iran, they aren't on the gulf countries themselves, no matter how you or the leaders try to twist it.
The only danger to civilians has come directly from falling debris from not letting the missiles hit their intended targets. The US/UK/gulf militaries are not defending civilians, they are protecting American bases.
Meanwhile Israel directly bombed an elementary school on a school day in Iran and killed over 50 children.
The UK should condemn Israel, not Iran for defending itself after a surprise attack in the middle of peace talks, or "preemptive" as they like to call it.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · -6 pts · 197d
Does that explain the civilian who died in Dubai?
Pretty sure they already did
3abas@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 197d
Yes, quite literally. No civilians were targeted in the gulf, only American military.
"The UAE defense ministry said most of the missiles and drones were intercepted but at Abu Dhabi’s Zayed International Airport officials said at least one person was killed and seven wounded in an “incident.”
Earlier, falling debris killed a Pakistani civilian in Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates’ capital, officials said."
https://share.google/yol7wqbBOR1j0OCBB
The only threat to civilians is the falling debris from intercepting the missiles. We are "collateral damage" they are happy to incur to install a US puppet in Iran, the priority is to defend the war machine.
This is the second time in this thread you go just assert a falsehood with your guess and are satisfied with that, anything to defend and justify the war.
No, they didn't condemn Israel, they only condemned Iran in this war that was forced upon them. And worse, now Britain to let US use bases to strike Iran.
https://www.thetimes.com/world/middle-east/article/iran-us-israel-dubai-latest-news-attack-live-09r2rh666
Congrats, continue pushing for the slaughter of Iranians while insisting you care about civilians.
x00z@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 198d
If you are housing US or Israel military you are part of the attack. It's as simple as that.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 198d
If you're a human, I blame your species for this.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 197d
Every non-human species is speciesist!?
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 197d
Sadly the whole of the EU is complicit then. We all depends on US protection.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 197d
Protection from who?! We were well on the way to normalizing things with Russia since the early 00s, and then the Burgers couped Ukraine and fucked with the pipeline. China has never shown any aggression, they're the world's manufacturers so business is good for them, and countries like Pakistan, India, Iran and NK have nothing to do with Europe geopolitically speaking.
So, again, who do you think Burgerland is "protecting" us from? Nah, man, we're there with them as sidekicks when it's time to murder and pillage, and we get the scraps (well, our aristocrats, mostly).
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 197d
Then kick them out of your countries. Leave NATO.
middlemanSI@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 198d
A: "Today I saw some psychopaths bombing the shit out of some kids.."
B: "So, did you do anything to help??"
A: "Sure I did! You should have seen how we destroyed those kids.."
watson387@sopuli.xyz · 20 pts · 198d
WTF
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 197d
As an American, I don't think my government needs any help defending itself in its quest to create another smoldering husk of a middle eastern terror state that hates us more now than they did before we bombed them back to the stone ages.
clot27@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 198d
The imperial dog is out for its masters
Foni@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 198d
The EU's response has been shameful, but at least it hasn't put us on the side of the aggressors
EndOfLine@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 198d
Does the UK still consider the USA an ally?
blackn1ght@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 198d
Did anyone here actually read what he said, or just reading the headline and jumping to their own conclusion that the UK is joining in on the attacks?
njm1314@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 198d
Is there really an applicable difference between joining in on the attack and defending the person doing the attacking? That's like holding someone's hands behind their back while someone else punches them. For all intents and purposes you are part of the attack.
blackn1ght@feddit.uk · -1 pts · 198d
It doesn't say the UK is defending Israel, it says defending allies.
Defending Bahrain or Jordan from incoming missiles is completely different to attacking Iran.
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 198d
We are absolutely not defending the US. Think about it. Why would the world's largest military need the UK to defend them?
The UK is stopping Iran firing missiles are countries that aren't involved.
njm1314@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 198d
The bully rarely needs the lackey to hold the victim's arms. But the lackey knows its the best way to keep the bully from turning on them.
Also who are these innocent countries?
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 198d
The US turned on us a long time ago. Our PM has been very clear that the attack on Iran is not legal.
Iran has already launched a missile towards Cyprus. Tell me, how were they involved?
njm1314@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 198d
Tell that to Starmer because he certainly doesn't act like it.
Why bring up Cyprus? I thought we were talking of innocent countries.
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 197d
Have you read any of your comments?
Tja@programming.dev · -1 pts · 198d
Reading the article, we didn't on reddit and we ain't gonna start now!
thoralf@discuss.familie-will.at · 6 pts · 198d
So, Netanyahu and Trump are lighting the fuse and the UK and others have to help to clean up the mess those morons created.
Wtf?
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 198d
You've still not managed to state now we are defending the US. We are defending ourselves.
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 198d
What am I missing here? The UK is just saying to Iran don't fire missiles at countries that haven't been involved in firing missiles at you.
That's sensible.
Riverside@reddthat.com · 11 pts · 197d
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 197d
Yes, and how did the UK defend this bases that were hit?
Logic?
RainbowHedgehog@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 198d
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 198d
It's really, really important for people to understand that Iranians wanting Khamenei gone is NOT the same thing as Iranians wanting the US and Israel to bomb their country.
West_of_West@piefed.social · 15 pts · 198d
I'll shed no tears for the end of Khomenei or the IRGC. I'll shed endless tears for Iranian civilians. As I have since 2006, I hope the Iranian people can change the world.
RainbowHedgehog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
Yeah. I don’t like intervention. I just was taught to always center their opinions before my own wants.
I wouldn’t have chosen any of this. I just hope that somehow this turns out well for them.
I feel like a lot of people misunderstood me.
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 198d
"They will greet us as liberators."
RainbowHedgehog@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 198d
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 198d
LOL, ok Cheney. I'm sure this regime change war is different. All those other times we attacked "one of the most horrific regimes in the world" where the good people just needed a little boost to overthrow them it didn't work out that way because... reasons. This time it's going to be quick an easy and we'll definitely be the good guys!
RainbowHedgehog@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 198d
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 198d
Dude. I'm willing to tell a foreign power my governing regime is horrific and we'd welcome invasion right now. There were Venezuelans asking for invasion, Iraqis asking for invasion, Afghanis asking for invasion. Do you think all those other countries didn't have both bad regimes and opposition who wanted them gone? How'd that work out for us?
Were you perchance born yesterday?
clot27@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 198d
You should stop talking to diasporoid monarchist iranians, they are worms
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 198d
We've killed over 600k people since Trump took office. Where's our regime change huh?
https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 198d
Sounds like ICE and the US.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 198d
The point is, maybe they will all just kill each other world wide. That's a win for all honest people. /S
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · -32 pts · 198d
I guess in a fucked up way it's good to know the Brits and by association the Europeans are just as vile and evil as us. I mean, I know we all have the same capacity for good and evil, but EU smugness is rampant and unhelpful. They need a dose of reality too.
_Nico198X_@piefed.europe.pub · 23 pts · 198d
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 198d
They can’t. The responsibility must be distributed elsewhere.
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 198d
Coming to the offense of your Israeli masters isn't a show of force? I'm not making any excuses for the US it's an evil empire, but so are the Brits and Europeans. I'm just tired of the holier-than-thou smugness from Europeans and Brits. You're as vile and nasty as us.
_Nico198X_@piefed.europe.pub · 12 pts · 198d
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 198d
Arbitrary lines drawn by like minds. The UK might not be officially in the EU anymore, but that doesn't change the fact that you all share the same values and lifestyles as the US. Failed liberal democracies that gave all the power to the owner class that are now welding it to murder children and overthrow sovereign nations. Western civilization is a joke. You're all patsies like us. No better, no worse.
_Nico198X_@piefed.europe.pub · 15 pts · 198d
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 198d
My point was that the UK and EU don't have a leg to stand on when criticizing the genocidal US. You're as guilty as we are. Just watch as the UK and EU put boots on the ground in defense of Israel.
_Nico198X_@piefed.europe.pub · 9 pts · 198d
i078@europe.pub · 5 pts · 198d
There isn’t even support for this in the US, and you think the EU will help after all the threats, insults and tariff bullying? We have a war in Ukraine where a friendly nation is defending against an aggressor, I don’t see any country willing to support this clusterfuck besides perhaps the UK
radiouser@crazypeople.online · 4 pts · 198d
Whatever helps you sleep at night, bucko.
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 198d
Not gonna lie. I was a bit pissed off at the world and lashed out at the UK and the EU. They don't deserve it, at least not yet, but I have no doubt that y'all are cucked by us and that ain't good. Many EU dudes are all about the fascism zeitgeist and that's worrisome.
Cheers mate. I'm sorry for being a dick!
radiouser@crazypeople.online · 4 pts · 198d
No apology needed. Have a pleasant Sunday.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · -1 pts · 198d
Cringe.
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 198d
I usually drink liquor anyways. Yeah, I don't usually buy stout but I'm making corned beef and cabbage for my friends tomorrow and this was an extra.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 197d
We would if we could, as we have historically done. But, hey, if a thief gets his hands cut and can never steal again, that still means he's less damaging for the world (whether he wanted it or not). Let's focus on Burgerland, since the UK and some (most?) European countries are just sidekicks without much individual power to coerce the world. I highly doubt that the French or British empire will rise again, you know?
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 198d
Us and Israel attack Iran
Brits help out with some jets.
‘How can I make this about holier than thou Europe’