Can second this. After becoming the tech person of my household most issues are now "my fault" I dont really mind in my situation but if it was the entire workplace, not good.
"Hey, I never liked Office 365, Microsoft as a company and all the Cloud shenanigans... And have you noticed how their products all become shittier and more invasive by the day? All while they increase subscription price each year now to finance all the AI stuff I rarely use? I'm a long-term fan of this other product, called XYZ which is just better in every aspect. No offense. If you want me to send you a link..."
(Edit: It'll become easier after a while. At some point they all know you're a Linux nerd and disassembled your wifi router at home, dishwasher... To get rid of proprietary spy components. And people will deliberately decide to listen to your opinion and lengthy rant, or make an effort to not bring up the topic π At that point, you're relatively free to speak your mind... Just read the room a bit. The goal isn't to annoy people.)
Hehe. It depends a bit on the social group. But most people will be aware of it before I even open my mouth... Dunno, maybe it's the long hair, or Debian t-shirt or something like that. But I rarely have to (verbally) disclose the fact I'm a nerd π There's some danger of confusion with the metalheads, but you know, people can fulfill several stereotypes simultaneously, so... confusion avoided...
For work, I have a work computer with a build on it provided by work.
If your work is letting/having you use something different, then explanations shouldn't be needed. If youre doing this on your own, that may be a problem.
At my work, anybody can have Windows, Mac, or Linux. Each have an approved set of software that they can use. If it's not on the approved list, and it's something freely available and gets regular security updates, it's usually not a problem to get it on the list.
I don't have to explain to my co-workers what software I use. Most of the time, it's cloud-based or web-based and universal, anyway.
"I use LibreOffice Writer and other Linux apps". There, simple as that.
If they ask why and show a more actual concerned interest, I usually mention Microslop history of privacy invasions and history of deliberate incompatibilities in Office, and recommend a few links documenting that stuff as well as some legal hot waters Microslop has gotten into.
I was asked by a friend of the family why I had to "mod" everything, "You make it all so it doesn't work right!"
...because "working right" in this day and age is a privacy nightmare, a security disaster, and relinquishing your rights, duh! Then I asked her how much the lawyer cost to understand what she's agreeing to in all the EULAs of services she's signed up for just to make things "work right".
Yeah, they don't bring their stuff around for help anymore. They're probably afraid I'll wipe it and install Debian. π€£ It's been a long time; I'm an Arch fiend by now.
I didn't use Linux in college, but I did use many FOSS tools. LibreOffice is easily my favorite office suite and there's no contest. So long as you export your documents as .PDF or submit them as .DOCX, nobody is likely to know or even care what you used to type them.
This is likely to be similar for other types of software- as long as your finished product is compatible and looks good on the proprietary software, you shouldn't run into any issues.
BTW, the university had student access for Microsoft Office. I could have chosen to use their tools at any time and I simply chose not to.
While I love and still use LibreOffice, there are sometimes slight compatibility/formatting issues between documents made in .docx on LO and MO. We have TS users at work and MS broke the function of TS install requiring all users to be licensed, so and LibreOffice. Sometimes users get weird issues with formulas not translating in spreadsheets and same with visual basic, so in those instances, I've had to create a 2nd file and rewrite those VB code.
I also FWD myself my resume and open at work so I can ensure my own stuff looks good in either format/program. I have noticed the latest version of Office supports .ODF extensions, which is pretty cool
This. I use LibreOffice at home and M365 at work. It's definitely not 1:1 compatible like most people say. That's not to bash on LO, it's just the reality of it.
I still swear by Excel. While Calc is fine for essential spreadsheets, I run a VM just for Excel because there's no alternative for the advanced tools.
Good to know about the odf extension though. That's a good improvement.
I use LO for all my Office Suite needs. When I have to share with someone that uses MSO, I just run it through Only Office, see if it keeps the way I want to share it, and call it a day. Also, I make sure I have all the MS fonts installed.
It also has the bonus that is one file has an issue, it doesn't lock up and crash every single other open document in different instances across excel, word, powerpoint, everything lol
Thanks to the behaviour of the American Government the past year, it has become really easy. Everybody suddenly understand and respect the argument of boycotting american products and software.
Why would it be awkward? Most non-technical people are so thrown by my white-text-on-black desktop theme that they can't even tell what software I'm using, and the few technical people around know that I have Opinions about software and aren't interested in talking about it. Keeping everything adequately compatible with the company-issued software is my problem.
If the colleague is provoking you, a dismissal answer could be a good call, like (hypothetical case) "you use iPhone and I use Android and I don't make a fuss about it".
But if the awkwardness question is something your colleagues asked, and/or they're genuine curious why you do, a more objective answer could be "I compared the two and for the reasons x / y / z, I decided to use LibreOffice / Linux stuff instead".
My usual experience with non-computer people is that they really couldn't care less and glaze over at any discussion of software choices what so ever. I've given up even trying to tell them for the most part. If you're not required to use specific software by your employer (thankfully I'm not), then just use what you want and nobody will care, at least in my experience.
I only use LibreOffice and don't tell anyone. It has only been a problem once when a client wanted me to use Word so she could keep track of changes. As a freelancer I wasn't about to go and use Word for one client. I just submitted the work as a PDF and they never brought it up again. Β
I will use whatever they will provide me. If i am to use Microsoft products, so be it. Not only that, but I don't give a flying fuck for the company's data i work for. They asked for it π
I teach, so trying to adjust old ppts for lecture got a little weird because it turned the bulletpoints into mailboxes, and equation formulas are done completely differently so libre just makes them uneditable (a picture?).
When things got wonky in lecture though I managed just fine. My students are much worse, they open shit in non-MS apps all the time (.notes for takehome exams, or like, keynote, whatever) and fuck up formatting all the time, often without even realizing it. (I do provide PDF alternatives at least). Explaining I use libre really easy in that case, lol.
It is the superior choice, doesn't have ads, doesn't try to sell you shit, it never updates without your permission, it doesn't spy on you, it doesn't sell your data, it is the superior choice, and penguins be cute.
then have them slowly realize over time that you're not just going to bullshit around but actually find and incorporate viable alternatives into your workflow, even if some steps will be inconvenient, and have them feel that something like that is now expected of them and slowly start avoiding you or subconsciously marking you as extremist and feeling the need to defend MS in front of you on behalf of "but most people...".
Depends on how long you've been working. After some amount of time like a year or two you can drop it into a conversation when helping a person "oh, I actually use libre office so I'm not sure where MS put that, let me check" and if they want more info they'll ask. Sometimes they might be surprised that you can actually do this stuff on Linux.
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RhondaSandTits@lemmy.sdf.org · 146 pts · 165d
Do NOT tell anybody in the office that you use Libre Office.
If you do, you will be blamed for every problem anyone encounters.
Font size looks incorrect - Carl's fault for using libre office to edit the file (even though you never worked on that project at all).
Paper jamb in the printer - Carl's fault for printing a document from that weird libre office program.
I got fired for saying something racist on twitter - Carl's fault for using that weirdo libre shit.
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 165d
Second this. People who don't understand tech blame anything that's different for their problems even if unrelated.
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 165d
This isn't isolated to tech and is how bigotry persists
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 165d
Can second this. After becoming the tech person of my household most issues are now "my fault" I dont really mind in my situation but if it was the entire workplace, not good.
qaz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 164d
What
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 161d
Non-sequitor because people will blame the dumbest stuff on stuff they think is "wierd"
LeapSecond@lemmy.zip · 76 pts · 166d
Does this actually cause compatibility issues? If not, no need to explain
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 66 pts · 166d
I don't owe my co-workers any explanation.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de · 45 pts · 166d
"Hey, I never liked Office 365, Microsoft as a company and all the Cloud shenanigans... And have you noticed how their products all become shittier and more invasive by the day? All while they increase subscription price each year now to finance all the AI stuff I rarely use? I'm a long-term fan of this other product, called XYZ which is just better in every aspect. No offense. If you want me to send you a link..."
(Edit: It'll become easier after a while. At some point they all know you're a Linux nerd and disassembled your wifi router at home, dishwasher... To get rid of proprietary spy components. And people will deliberately decide to listen to your opinion and lengthy rant, or make an effort to not bring up the topic π At that point, you're relatively free to speak your mind... Just read the room a bit. The goal isn't to annoy people.)
CarlLandry357@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 166d
I think that will really help if you really need to explain lol. Yeah, tell them you're a nerd, that's why!
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de · 11 pts · 166d
Hehe. It depends a bit on the social group. But most people will be aware of it before I even open my mouth... Dunno, maybe it's the long hair, or Debian t-shirt or something like that. But I rarely have to (verbally) disclose the fact I'm a nerd π There's some danger of confusion with the metalheads, but you know, people can fulfill several stereotypes simultaneously, so... confusion avoided...
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 29 pts · 165d
For work, I have a work computer with a build on it provided by work.
If your work is letting/having you use something different, then explanations shouldn't be needed. If youre doing this on your own, that may be a problem.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 165d
At my work, anybody can have Windows, Mac, or Linux. Each have an approved set of software that they can use. If it's not on the approved list, and it's something freely available and gets regular security updates, it's usually not a problem to get it on the list.
I don't have to explain to my co-workers what software I use. Most of the time, it's cloud-based or web-based and universal, anyway.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 6 pts · 165d
this was my thought.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org · 22 pts · 166d
"I use LibreOffice Writer and other Linux apps". There, simple as that.
If they ask why and show a more actual concerned interest, I usually mention Microslop history of privacy invasions and history of deliberate incompatibilities in Office, and recommend a few links documenting that stuff as well as some legal hot waters Microslop has gotten into.
f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz · 21 pts · 165d
I was asked by a friend of the family why I had to "mod" everything, "You make it all so it doesn't work right!"
...because "working right" in this day and age is a privacy nightmare, a security disaster, and relinquishing your rights, duh! Then I asked her how much the lawyer cost to understand what she's agreeing to in all the EULAs of services she's signed up for just to make things "work right".
Shayeta@feddit.org · 1 pts · 164d
They're free to set it up themselves.
f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 161d
Yeah, they don't bring their stuff around for help anymore. They're probably afraid I'll wipe it and install Debian. π€£ It's been a long time; I'm an Arch fiend by now.
greyfrog@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 165d
Literally no one will care. Just make sure that your documents works well for them.
Cornflake@pawb.social · 17 pts · 166d
I didn't use Linux in college, but I did use many FOSS tools. LibreOffice is easily my favorite office suite and there's no contest. So long as you export your documents as .PDF or submit them as .DOCX, nobody is likely to know or even care what you used to type them.
This is likely to be similar for other types of software- as long as your finished product is compatible and looks good on the proprietary software, you shouldn't run into any issues.
BTW, the university had student access for Microsoft Office. I could have chosen to use their tools at any time and I simply chose not to.
mrnobody@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 166d
While I love and still use LibreOffice, there are sometimes slight compatibility/formatting issues between documents made in .docx on LO and MO. We have TS users at work and MS broke the function of TS install requiring all users to be licensed, so and LibreOffice. Sometimes users get weird issues with formulas not translating in spreadsheets and same with visual basic, so in those instances, I've had to create a 2nd file and rewrite those VB code.
I also FWD myself my resume and open at work so I can ensure my own stuff looks good in either format/program. I have noticed the latest version of Office supports .ODF extensions, which is pretty cool
Broken@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 165d
This. I use LibreOffice at home and M365 at work. It's definitely not 1:1 compatible like most people say. That's not to bash on LO, it's just the reality of it.
I still swear by Excel. While Calc is fine for essential spreadsheets, I run a VM just for Excel because there's no alternative for the advanced tools.
Good to know about the odf extension though. That's a good improvement.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 165d
I use LO for all my Office Suite needs. When I have to share with someone that uses MSO, I just run it through Only Office, see if it keeps the way I want to share it, and call it a day. Also, I make sure I have all the MS fonts installed.
Forester@pawb.social · 17 pts · 166d
I use Libre Office. It runs faster than word.
CarlLandry357@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 166d
Linux apps run faster than Windows bloatware I think lol
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 165d
It also has the bonus that is one file has an issue, it doesn't lock up and crash every single other open document in different instances across excel, word, powerpoint, everything lol
Cenzorrll@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 165d
I often work in several excels at once, I almost cry every time I have to undo something in a worksheet I haven't made changes to in a while
Muffi@programming.dev · 14 pts · 165d
Thanks to the behaviour of the American Government the past year, it has become really easy. Everybody suddenly understand and respect the argument of boycotting american products and software.
nyan@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 165d
Why would it be awkward? Most non-technical people are so thrown by my white-text-on-black desktop theme that they can't even tell what software I'm using, and the few technical people around know that I have Opinions about software and aren't interested in talking about it. Keeping everything adequately compatible with the company-issued software is my problem.
Auster@thebrainbin.org · 12 pts · 166d
If the colleague is provoking you, a dismissal answer could be a good call, like (hypothetical case) "you use iPhone and I use Android and I don't make a fuss about it".
Auster@thebrainbin.org · 6 pts · 166d
But if the awkwardness question is something your colleagues asked, and/or they're genuine curious why you do, a more objective answer could be "I compared the two and for the reasons x / y / z, I decided to use LibreOffice / Linux stuff instead".
anothermember@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 166d
My usual experience with non-computer people is that they really couldn't care less and glaze over at any discussion of software choices what so ever. I've given up even trying to tell them for the most part. If you're not required to use specific software by your employer (thankfully I'm not), then just use what you want and nobody will care, at least in my experience.
pelya@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 165d
"Ewww, Windowsssss!"
Pinch my nose, spray my fingers with hand sanitizer, then walk away from their desk.
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 165d
monovergent@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 165d
I practically never need to. I'll find a way to make things work one way or another.
folaht@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 165d
The better question asked is:
How do they explain to you that they don't?
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 166d
"I use Libre Office"
"I use _____ ______"
cb_desu@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 164d
I only use LibreOffice and don't tell anyone. It has only been a problem once when a client wanted me to use Word so she could keep track of changes. As a freelancer I wasn't about to go and use Word for one client. I just submitted the work as a PDF and they never brought it up again. Β
rsolva@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
LibreOffice Writer can also keep track of changes and it is compatible with Word π
Klapaucius@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 165d
I will use whatever they will provide me. If i am to use Microsoft products, so be it. Not only that, but I don't give a flying fuck for the company's data i work for. They asked for it π
expr@piefed.social · 7 pts · 165d
I don't use Libre Office, but regardless, I give absolutely zero shits what other people think.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 166d
"Moral issues" or "to leave a better tomorrow" for the ppl I don't wish to talk to all that much (or just can't have a proper convo with them).
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 165d
You don't. Enjoy better, faster and more effective software and laugh when their shot breaks.
taiyang@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 165d
I teach, so trying to adjust old ppts for lecture got a little weird because it turned the bulletpoints into mailboxes, and equation formulas are done completely differently so libre just makes them uneditable (a picture?).
When things got wonky in lecture though I managed just fine. My students are much worse, they open shit in non-MS apps all the time (.notes for takehome exams, or like, keynote, whatever) and fuck up formatting all the time, often without even realizing it. (I do provide PDF alternatives at least). Explaining I use libre really easy in that case, lol.
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 166d
"MS Office with its integrated spyware and other anti-features doesn't meet basic security and data protection requirements so I use LibreOffice"
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 166d
What, do i need a reason? Why do you use fitness app X and not Y?
CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 164d
I don't. I just export to PDF if I need them to see formatting the same.
darkdemize@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 166d
Why would they even need to know? You can save it in .docx if you need to share it with someone.
CarlLandry357@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 165d
I think you can also export your files using .PDF format.
Cekan14@lemmy.org · 6 pts · 165d
It is the superior choice, doesn't have ads, doesn't try to sell you shit, it never updates without your permission, it doesn't spy on you, it doesn't sell your data, it is the superior choice, and penguins be cute.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 165d
I don't.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 165d
Just shit on Microsoft they'll probably find common ground in that
netvor@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 165d
then have them slowly realize over time that you're not just going to bullshit around but actually find and incorporate viable alternatives into your workflow, even if some steps will be inconvenient, and have them feel that something like that is now expected of them and slowly start avoiding you or subconsciously marking you as extremist and feeling the need to defend MS in front of you on behalf of "but most people...".
yeah, that's the sweet spot.
Paragone@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 166d
They'll never understand unless you SHOW them, not tell them: they need to understand through their eyes, not their ears.
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CarlLandry357@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
You have a point. I think just don't tell them lol
olafurp@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 165d
Depends on how long you've been working. After some amount of time like a year or two you can drop it into a conversation when helping a person "oh, I actually use libre office so I'm not sure where MS put that, let me check" and if they want more info they'll ask. Sometimes they might be surprised that you can actually do this stuff on Linux.
mko@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 164d
No problem and no need to explain. LibreOffice is commonplace at my place of work.
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
I would never tell them how I do stuff unprompted. If they ask I'll vaguely tell them because I suck at lying but no specifics.
Ironfist79@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 162d
Sadly I can't. The only approved software I can use is Office on Windows.
ragas@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 165d
"Oh yeah, I use that too."
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 165d
I use it because it works for me.
sonalder@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 164d
Most of the time I use MarkDown and export as PDF, if I need more complex layouts I'll use Libre Office
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 164d
I havenβt really looked into it, but what are the options for VBA macro writing in excel alternatives?