Not only couldn't they keep to cannon, they butchered it horribly. The Witcher is set in a world of rich lore and history, almost none of which is explored or explained in that shitful show. The first season is basically the first book put in a blender and strained through a sieve, and the second season, as far as I can tell, is a load of crap. I gave up after that.
I haven't read any of the books and barely played the games, so I don't know much about the world. I did enjoy the first season, less so the second, and didn't make it far into season 3
Season 4 is really fun to watch either as a drinking game or as a target for shit-talking with whoever is on the couch with you. I don’t remember any of the plot, which is probably for the best.
Didn't the writers just ignore the source material and thought they could write better? Which made them effectively write fan fiction. And even by those standards, bad fan fiction.
1:30 seconds into episode 1 season 3 Geralt is openly attacking humans. Now I'm sure there's bullshit that explains it but that's as far as I made it because fuck Netflix.
“We want to broaden the appeal to bring more people into the universe so when we make more content tangentially related to the IP more people watch them.”
It’s step 2 of the enshittification steps for media companies. Step 3 is blaming the fans when they say they don’t like the new stuff because it’s totally different from what they loved.
I'm surprised it's not a thing for this. Games Workshop is generally pretty protective of their IP. They license it out like crazy, but generally in pretty restricted bits unless you prove some level of respect.
The people who pay to use the IP put up so much money that it has to be crowd sourced among a few rich people/orgs. The money doesn't care about the property, only the opportunity to leverage this into more money. They are paying for an opportunity.
With this opportunity they make a product that uses the nouns of the source material with varying levels of concern for the output. Not all money is the same and some care about the deliverable more than others. Compare Sony comic book movies to Disney and you can see what having a big comics nerd like Feige can do to keep it true to the material while keeping the content new.
Netflix didn't care about what fans consider truth. They wanted content for their catalogue. Most makers of media don't care about what they make as long as it's popular and any lawsuits don't drain the gains.
Yeah but those people are fucking morons with more money than sense. I don't think they will ever learn the lesson because they keep making the same dipshit fucking mistake over and over. It's starting to feel like it's deliberate how almost every single adaptation they do is trash that pisses off the established fans, like they don't want to do an adaptation so they fuck it up on purpose just to fuck the fans while they get the one mediocre cash grab, if they make money at all. If it was really about the money they would learn the lesson from the few really successful adaptations.
The sincere effort I think is what's most important. Even if the show contradicts some of the existing lore one can still make a good faith argument as to why something is added or left out due to other reasons in-universe and out
Yeah sure. If they wrote "Henry Cavill's rule ensures a lore-faithful adaptation" - fine, that would be great. "100% Lore Accurate" is an impossible standard that just ensures many an immature nerd will load their keyboard with religious intent.
He should be playing Ciaphas Cain in some "Blackadder goes Imperial Guardsman" flashback recounting of his life. Even cherry picking just the ripest stories would get a few potentially great movies by my estimation.
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Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works · 106 pts · 182d
After the fallout with him and Netflix, I'm glad to see that he's able to flex his nerd knowledge again.
imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 182d
What netflix fallout?
pennomi@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 182d
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works · 60 pts · 182d
While he was a walking encyclopedia of Witcher lore, wanting to give fans the best representation/adaption of the source material that could be made.
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 181d
And they were Netflix.
dellish@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 181d
Not only couldn't they keep to cannon, they butchered it horribly. The Witcher is set in a world of rich lore and history, almost none of which is explored or explained in that shitful show. The first season is basically the first book put in a blender and strained through a sieve, and the second season, as far as I can tell, is a load of crap. I gave up after that.
imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 181d
I haven't read any of the books and barely played the games, so I don't know much about the world. I did enjoy the first season, less so the second, and didn't make it far into season 3
aGlassDarkly@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 181d
Season 4 is really fun to watch either as a drinking game or as a target for shit-talking with whoever is on the couch with you. I don’t remember any of the plot, which is probably for the best.
Tanoh@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 181d
Didn't the writers just ignore the source material and thought they could write better? Which made them effectively write fan fiction. And even by those standards, bad fan fiction.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 181d
1:30 seconds into episode 1 season 3 Geralt is openly attacking humans. Now I'm sure there's bullshit that explains it but that's as far as I made it because fuck Netflix.
cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 181d
there is a reason why he was called the butcher of blaviken
he didnt sell meat
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 181d
Provocation. This was not that.
cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 181d
oh scuse me, I didnt realize youre talking about season 3. yeah idk, I didnt watch past s2
Rainbowblite@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 181d
He was perfect for the role too. If they stuck to the story, it would have been an amazing series.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 181d
He's a passionate nerd with a deep love for his people, and he fought the corpos on the canon he knew better than they did.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · 57 pts · 182d
How is this not literally in the contract when working with q specific IP?
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 182d
“We want to broaden the appeal to bring more people into the universe so when we make more content tangentially related to the IP more people watch them.”
It’s step 2 of the enshittification steps for media companies. Step 3 is blaming the fans when they say they don’t like the new stuff because it’s totally different from what they loved.
yeather@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 181d
Games Workshop is really good at doing 2 and 3, they destroyed an entire setting and product line doing it.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 179d
Excuse you.
They destroyed several different product lines.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 182d
Seeking a mythical "wider, modern audience" rather than appealing to the core fans.
It is an excellent strategy to alienate everyone and tank an IPs value, to be used as a tax write-off.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 181d
I'm surprised it's not a thing for this. Games Workshop is generally pretty protective of their IP. They license it out like crazy, but generally in pretty restricted bits unless you prove some level of respect.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 181d
The people who pay to use the IP put up so much money that it has to be crowd sourced among a few rich people/orgs. The money doesn't care about the property, only the opportunity to leverage this into more money. They are paying for an opportunity.
With this opportunity they make a product that uses the nouns of the source material with varying levels of concern for the output. Not all money is the same and some care about the deliverable more than others. Compare Sony comic book movies to Disney and you can see what having a big comics nerd like Feige can do to keep it true to the material while keeping the content new.
Netflix didn't care about what fans consider truth. They wanted content for their catalogue. Most makers of media don't care about what they make as long as it's popular and any lawsuits don't drain the gains.
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 181d
Yeah but those people are fucking morons with more money than sense. I don't think they will ever learn the lesson because they keep making the same dipshit fucking mistake over and over. It's starting to feel like it's deliberate how almost every single adaptation they do is trash that pisses off the established fans, like they don't want to do an adaptation so they fuck it up on purpose just to fuck the fans while they get the one mediocre cash grab, if they make money at all. If it was really about the money they would learn the lesson from the few really successful adaptations.
CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de · 28 pts · 182d
How so? The original lore is a mess and several details have changed over years while novelists have contradicted each other multiple times.
CobblerScholar@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 182d
The sincere effort I think is what's most important. Even if the show contradicts some of the existing lore one can still make a good faith argument as to why something is added or left out due to other reasons in-universe and out
CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de · 22 pts · 182d
Yeah sure. If they wrote "Henry Cavill's rule ensures a lore-faithful adaptation" - fine, that would be great. "100% Lore Accurate" is an impossible standard that just ensures many an immature nerd will load their keyboard with religious intent.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 11 pts · 181d
Maybe the show will be just as convoluted and contradictory so it's 100% accurate. 🤷♂️
Flying_Penguin@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 181d
I would be okay with that. Really lets the viewer get a sense of the effects of Chaos. /s
CobblerScholar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 181d
Just imagining a Space Marine Chaplain slamming a Crozius onto a keyboard screaming about heretics lol
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 18 pts · 182d
Never underestimate a writers ability to fuck shit up. One easy example is the Halo tv show.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 181d
Are you saying that Master Cheeks wouldn't have had sex with a POW?
ryathal@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 181d
The writers were forced into using Halo for that show. They wanted to do their own thing and the producers made them use the license.
CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 181d
I just hope they get the Imperial Truth vs Imperial Creed part right.
paultimate14@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 181d
Shhh don't ruin it: everyone in the comments is too busy swooning
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 182d
Least annoying Warhammer fan:
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 181d
I hope Cavill’s a decent dude IRL, he seems like a cool dude when it comes to nerding out on his roles.
Rakonat@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 181d
He almost didn't get to be superman because he was raiding in WoW when his agent called.
Karjalan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 181d
Most relatable celebrity moment
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 182d
This guy is great
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 182d
He's one of the greatest actors of his generation IMHO.
And apparently a strong personal set of ethics from at least what I've read about him in the media.
Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -4 pts · 181d
Except for his views on consent
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 181d
Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 181d
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-44819116
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 181d
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 181d
God damn it.
Fluke@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 181d
He should be playing Ciaphas Cain in some "Blackadder goes Imperial Guardsman" flashback recounting of his life. Even cherry picking just the ripest stories would get a few potentially great movies by my estimation.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 182d
Which edition of the Codex? 3e is the farthest I'll go.
Lumisal@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 181d
If you're asking that question you probably have already read at least 1 I assume
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 181d
Yes, Codex: Craftworld Eldar.