The president isn't military, he's not even supposed to salute. I know it's become expected, but he is a civilian. Ignoring that, the only disrespectful is the type of hat he is wearing. You're actually supposed to wear your cover outdoors, look at the actual military members in the photo. There are so many legit reasons to hate Trump we don't need to make ones up.
Correct, and as he's not military the preferred sign of respect is to remove his hat and put his hand over his heart. Like all prior presidents (whom have not served) do, and as other civilians in this photo are doing.
Trump has a long history of giving zero shits about signs of respect to the military though, so I'd say it's always worth pointing them out for the crayon eaters that still vote for him in droves.
Example of a different enfeebled elderly president that actually respects the military signalling his respect to the fallen:
Also just to further snub Trump but Biden looks pretty good in his suit, well tailored and fitted to him. Unlike Trump who somehow wears clothes more I'll fitting than mine, difference is I can't get my clothes tailored and have a weird as build.
Hey when you need to shit you need to shit. Nature and biology care little for ceremony, for example Gestures at pile of heat striken privates during ceremony though I'm not military I grew up around enough veterans to know how common that is, also witnessed it happen twice while in boy scouts.
Not technically. Yes, they're the Commander in Chief, but they maintain civilian status. They oversee the military, but are not actually a member of the military. This is also why they cannot be prosecuted under military law or court martialed.
Yes. That's not a military position, that's a civilian position. The ironic part is, the military is commanded by a civilian to keep the military in check...
Actually very well. You don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. The military being commanded by a civilian to keep the military in check is about keeping the military from ruling the country. See: Pakistan, Myanmar.
What you see is the civilian government throwing the military around carelessly, not the military getting out of check.
If you want to laugh about something, laugh about how the checks and balances between the 3 branches of government have broken down, not about the military ruling over the people.
Yeah, that's the thing, for Hitler, that military boner made sense, he was drafted, fought in the war, was injured in the war, and was disappointed that he couldn't fight after his injury. Guy actually loved participating in war. Him appearing in uniform at least made some sense (even though he only had a very basic military career if one can even call it that).
Donnie just loves the power he can exert with it, and I'd be ashamed as a soldier to serve under a draft-dodging racist bitch boy who makes fun of veterans. Let's see how it turns out.
The best and safest way to sabotage the military as a soldier is to follow every order to the letter.
Not sure I want to make any comparisons between those two where one is better or worse than the other, they're both despicable for their own reasons; there is some overlap in their non-qualities but they're much different in what motivates / motivated them
I'm not sure why wearing a suit and a MAGA campaign merch hat is trying to appear as if he's a soldier. If you mean the salute, presidents have been doing that for ages. The general public knows so little about salutes and related protocols that they'd take it as disrespectful if he didn't salute.
To add to what you said, the origin of the salute is related to headgear.
One potential origin of the salute is knights raising their faceguards, which obviously requires you to be wearing one. Another potential origin of the salute is the courtesy of removing your hat in the presence of a superior officer. You still see this (though mostly in period historical dramas) with the hat tip.
The military still retains that link, you're not supposed to salute while wearing your hat. For civilians, the equivalent respectful move is to remove your hat in certain situations. These days you mostly encounter that at a sporting event where people sometimes remove their hats during the national anthem.
So, for a president who isn't part of the military, the official protocol is probably to stand at attention while not wearing a hat. An acceptable modern alternative is to salute, and since hats are uncommon these days it's mostly to salute while not wearing a hat. Saluting while wearing a hat is probably a reasonable variation on that. A disrespectful move would be to wear a hat and not salute. Of course, the fact it's a MAGA campaign merch hat is disrespectful in itself.
Was it Regan who started returning salutes when saluted by military members? I'm not 100% sure but I want to say before that most presents just acknowledged the salute and went on. I seem to remember it was Ronnie that started the trend.
I can't think of any recent presidents from either side who would have caught dead pulling the maneuver in this photo, however.
He clearly needs to release another Donald J. Shitcoin as well. The grifts arent numerous enough, his supporters still think he has some credibility left.
He raped little kids. I dont give a shit about the hat. And he sacrificed those soldiers because he was told to. He dont give a fuck about us knowing he is a rapist.
The news has won, I've been broken. I no longer give a fuck what happens to the USA. We voted for this shit.
I'll still vote, but I can no longer engage in this Outrage of the Day journalism. If you didn't vote in 2024 or voted for the orange pedo, fuck you so much. Which is most of the country. Fuck you all.
Also. Civilian presidents aren't supposed to solute. Only presidents who served in the military are supposed to solute. Reagan and this idiot are the only ones who do it. The virtue signaling is part of their cult control
So the folks killing children in Iran didn't get a proper salute from the guy whose orders they followed. So what? To me this is about as shocking and emotionally devastating as Hitler not shaking the hand of an SS officer.
That's not the point here. They're acting like they support the actual servicemen and women, when in reality it's fake to appease the cult. Act like you give a shit so you can use them and the followers will keep licking the boot. He's a fucking draft dodger too. Just trying to use armed services as his personal army.
Same with how Republicans are all "law and order" and elected a convicted felon. Or how they'll say if you just do what they say, you won't get hurt (by police) completely ignoring the fact that being white is the more accurate reason the police let them go or didn't fuck them up for the same crime a black or brown person would go straight to jail or catch a beating for. ACAB.
When I've watched news from the USA, even the left wing ones, all they care about is the "six servicemen who were killed." Americans are truely the most exceptional people. Even on the left other countries are populated by subhumans.
Idk what left wing news you're watching but I've seen almost exclusively bitching about the dead school girls as well as the mainstream media (which I'm pretty sure is actually what you watched) ignoring the dead Iranian civilians in favor of only talking about the soldiers
To further elaborate, the rules around uniform hats is entirely different than casual hats, you are supposed to remove a casual hat as a sign of respect while a uniform hat inherented the rules of helmets and are treated closer to combat dress. Is it a bit stupid? Sure, but it's entrenched in old as fuck traditions and customs that go back at least to the medieval period.
Trump doesn't give an iota of a fuck regardless assuming he even has enough intellect to process such traditions and rules. Reminder he saluted a North Korean general once, which I don't think I need to elaborate why you shouldn't salute someone from an adversarial nation.
You're such a fucking bootlicker. Stop acting like there is plausible deniability here. Everyone knows you take your hat off as a sign of respect. You take your hat off to go to church, which he supposedly does all the time. You take your hat off at the dinner table for gods sakes. You certainly as fuck take your hat off to show respects to 6 people you got killed for a war you started to cover up the fact you raped and tortured kids with your best friend at pedo snuff film Island.
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FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 127 pts · 175d
The president isn't military, he's not even supposed to salute. I know it's become expected, but he is a civilian. Ignoring that, the only disrespectful is the type of hat he is wearing. You're actually supposed to wear your cover outdoors, look at the actual military members in the photo. There are so many legit reasons to hate Trump we don't need to make ones up.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 175d
Correct, and as he's not military the preferred sign of respect is to remove his hat and put his hand over his heart. Like all prior presidents (whom have not served) do, and as other civilians in this photo are doing.
Trump has a long history of giving zero shits about signs of respect to the military though, so I'd say it's always worth pointing them out for the crayon eaters that still vote for him in droves.
Example of a different enfeebled elderly president that actually respects the military signalling his respect to the fallen:
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 174d
Also just to further snub Trump but Biden looks pretty good in his suit, well tailored and fitted to him. Unlike Trump who somehow wears clothes more I'll fitting than mine, difference is I can't get my clothes tailored and have a weird as build.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 174d
There is no way you would want to see Trump in a suit fitted to him.
vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 174d
His expression is giving “I really need to poop” rather than “respect for the fallen”, but his tailoring is on point.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 174d
Hey when you need to shit you need to shit. Nature and biology care little for ceremony, for example Gestures at pile of heat striken privates during ceremony though I'm not military I grew up around enough veterans to know how common that is, also witnessed it happen twice while in boy scouts.
Soulg@ani.social · 3 pts · 173d
Maybe but I interpreted it as him feeling actual genuine sorrow since his own son died in service, it probably was a reminder
vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 173d
Oh right. In hindsight, that was a callous comment on my part.
Kanda@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 174d
Isn't the commander in chief technically military?
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 174d
Not technically. Yes, they're the Commander in Chief, but they maintain civilian status. They oversee the military, but are not actually a member of the military. This is also why they cannot be prosecuted under military law or court martialed.
Can't find current link on Defense website, but here's an older one: https://web.archive.org/web/20170512070110/https://archive.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45870
scarabic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 174d
My question too. At the very least he seems like a singular case where it’s unclear.
Mongostein@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 175d
Isn’t the president commander in chief?
I’m not American, this is a real question
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 175d
Yes. That's not a military position, that's a civilian position. The ironic part is, the military is commanded by a civilian to keep the military in check...
mannycalavera@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 174d
LOL how is that going for USAians?
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 174d
Yeah, exactly the "irony" part.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 174d
Actually very well. You don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. The military being commanded by a civilian to keep the military in check is about keeping the military from ruling the country. See: Pakistan, Myanmar.
What you see is the civilian government throwing the military around carelessly, not the military getting out of check.
If you want to laugh about something, laugh about how the checks and balances between the 3 branches of government have broken down, not about the military ruling over the people.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 173d
Oh no we're laughing at that too 🤣😅
calmblue75@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 175d
Fascists have this weird tendency to appear as if they are soldiers. Attire, manner, etc. Hitler used to do this too.
raman_klogius@ani.social · 14 pts · 174d
But at least Hitler was enlisted, not a draft dodger 🤭
Laser@feddit.org · 10 pts · 174d
Yeah, that's the thing, for Hitler, that military boner made sense, he was drafted, fought in the war, was injured in the war, and was disappointed that he couldn't fight after his injury. Guy actually loved participating in war. Him appearing in uniform at least made some sense (even though he only had a very basic military career if one can even call it that).
Donnie just loves the power he can exert with it, and I'd be ashamed as a soldier to serve under a draft-dodging racist bitch boy who makes fun of veterans. Let's see how it turns out.
The best and safest way to sabotage the military as a soldier is to follow every order to the letter.
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 174d
Must be embarrassing to be literally worse than Hitler.
Laser@feddit.org · 4 pts · 174d
Not sure I want to make any comparisons between those two where one is better or worse than the other, they're both despicable for their own reasons; there is some overlap in their non-qualities but they're much different in what motivates / motivated them
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 174d
Shh, I just wanna say he's worse than Hitler. Don't read into so much.
Laser@feddit.org · 1 pts · 174d
Virtue-mogged by Adi himself smh my head
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 174d
I'm not sure why wearing a suit and a MAGA campaign merch hat is trying to appear as if he's a soldier. If you mean the salute, presidents have been doing that for ages. The general public knows so little about salutes and related protocols that they'd take it as disrespectful if he didn't salute.
Harvey656@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 174d
I mean to be fair, we were told it was a low effort meme.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 174d
To add to what you said, the origin of the salute is related to headgear.
One potential origin of the salute is knights raising their faceguards, which obviously requires you to be wearing one. Another potential origin of the salute is the courtesy of removing your hat in the presence of a superior officer. You still see this (though mostly in period historical dramas) with the hat tip.
The military still retains that link, you're not supposed to salute while wearing your hat. For civilians, the equivalent respectful move is to remove your hat in certain situations. These days you mostly encounter that at a sporting event where people sometimes remove their hats during the national anthem.
So, for a president who isn't part of the military, the official protocol is probably to stand at attention while not wearing a hat. An acceptable modern alternative is to salute, and since hats are uncommon these days it's mostly to salute while not wearing a hat. Saluting while wearing a hat is probably a reasonable variation on that. A disrespectful move would be to wear a hat and not salute. Of course, the fact it's a MAGA campaign merch hat is disrespectful in itself.
BranBucket@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 174d
Was it Regan who started returning salutes when saluted by military members? I'm not 100% sure but I want to say before that most presents just acknowledged the salute and went on. I seem to remember it was Ronnie that started the trend.
I can't think of any recent presidents from either side who would have caught dead pulling the maneuver in this photo, however.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 174d
They're fucking hitting schools, hospitals and water facilities and this is what you're arguing about?
Respecting the people that just commited war crimes? And your take is how he should acshually do it?
Fucking hell.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 174d
When did I say to respect anyone? You're making my point for me. There are tons of things to be legitimately mad about, we don't need to make ones up.
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca · 54 pts · 174d
He took off his hat to salute a North Korean general though!
.Trump saluting a North Korean general. Kim jong-un looks flabbergasted in the background.
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 174d
Doesn't want a breeze to come along and make him look like
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 174d
athatet@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 174d
Yeah. He did that too. Then he also murdered and ate them.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 174d
Otherwise how he can promote his merch? Every occasion is the right moment to shill some shit
loam@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 174d
Oh sweet, looks like the US is getting it's own "Kim Jong-Un looking at things" style photo blog sometime soon.
maplesaga@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 174d
He clearly needs to release another Donald J. Shitcoin as well. The grifts arent numerous enough, his supporters still think he has some credibility left.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 44 pts · 174d
He raped little kids. I dont give a shit about the hat. And he sacrificed those soldiers because he was told to. He dont give a fuck about us knowing he is a rapist.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 32 pts · 175d
Ahh that's his formal trucker hat.
SGforce@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 175d
So far. The 6 that he's sacrificed so far.
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 174d
The nasty thing was probably mad that he was forced to go and pretend to care about "suckers and losers"...
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 174d
The news has won, I've been broken. I no longer give a fuck what happens to the USA. We voted for this shit.
I'll still vote, but I can no longer engage in this Outrage of the Day journalism. If you didn't vote in 2024 or voted for the orange pedo, fuck you so much. Which is most of the country. Fuck you all.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 19 pts · 174d
Also. Civilian presidents aren't supposed to solute. Only presidents who served in the military are supposed to solute. Reagan and this idiot are the only ones who do it. The virtue signaling is part of their cult control
victorz@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 174d
Not sure why Melanianus is holding her tit. That's not where the heart is located.
phneutral@feddit.org · 16 pts · 174d
She has none.
victorz@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 174d
Matter fact, none of these assholes are holding their heart.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 174d
Testing for breast cancer.
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 174d
Dumb shit Vance isn't even using an American salute.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 174d
so i'm not up on the uniform code recently, but since disphit here isn't in uniform shouldn't his hand be over his heart?
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 174d
Yes, and the vice president is even LESS military than the president. Just a warm body on standby
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 174d
They all look like it's their first time
xorollo@leminal.space · 10 pts · 174d
Everyone is looking in a different direction. Is it like the cycling fan that just rotates to get the whole room and they're out of sync?
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 175d
Looks like Vance is keeping his eyebrow from falling off his face.
daannii@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 174d
Apparently he sells that hat on his website and was promoting it.
wpb@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 174d
So the folks killing children in Iran didn't get a proper salute from the guy whose orders they followed. So what? To me this is about as shocking and emotionally devastating as Hitler not shaking the hand of an SS officer.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 173d
That's not the point here. They're acting like they support the actual servicemen and women, when in reality it's fake to appease the cult. Act like you give a shit so you can use them and the followers will keep licking the boot. He's a fucking draft dodger too. Just trying to use armed services as his personal army.
Same with how Republicans are all "law and order" and elected a convicted felon. Or how they'll say if you just do what they say, you won't get hurt (by police) completely ignoring the fact that being white is the more accurate reason the police let them go or didn't fuck them up for the same crime a black or brown person would go straight to jail or catch a beating for. ACAB.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 174d
This is constructed as though it would be morally good to honour US troops who just willfully invaded another country for nothing.
amorangi@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 174d
When I've watched news from the USA, even the left wing ones, all they care about is the "six servicemen who were killed." Americans are truely the most exceptional people. Even on the left other countries are populated by subhumans.
Soulg@ani.social · 5 pts · 173d
Idk what left wing news you're watching but I've seen almost exclusively bitching about the dead school girls as well as the mainstream media (which I'm pretty sure is actually what you watched) ignoring the dead Iranian civilians in favor of only talking about the soldiers
WraithGear@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 174d
salute with hat on, hand over heart when without hat
zemo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 174d
People saluting without a hat on
Furbag@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 174d
President Pedo rapes little girls. Whatever else he does short of starting a global themonuclear war will be small potatoes.
doesit@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 174d
Melania is obviously tired of this shit. Just waiting for the Night of the Long Knives so they can all stop pretending.
lennybird@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 175d
I kind of thought he's hiding something at this point with the hat. What condition?
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 6 pts · 175d
What condition isn't he hiding would probably be a shorter list.
TomArrr@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 174d
Don't they mean 'cap'?
clot27@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 174d
Its not 6, its close to 100
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 174d
And also reservists who shouldn't have even been there.
lemmylommy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 174d
At least he is not saluting a North Korean general this time.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 175d
There's at least three people in the background also wearing hats though?
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 175d
No, they are in uniform. Big difference.
YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 175d
True but he’s wearing a baseball cap.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 175d
Is there an established procedure for this though, is he supposed to take off his hat?
giantripdrop@piefed.social · 15 pts · 175d
Yes, and yes
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 174d
To further elaborate, the rules around uniform hats is entirely different than casual hats, you are supposed to remove a casual hat as a sign of respect while a uniform hat inherented the rules of helmets and are treated closer to combat dress. Is it a bit stupid? Sure, but it's entrenched in old as fuck traditions and customs that go back at least to the medieval period.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 174d
Right, that's good to know.
And you'd expect someone to have filled him in on these rules, too.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 174d
Trump doesn't give an iota of a fuck regardless assuming he even has enough intellect to process such traditions and rules. Reminder he saluted a North Korean general once, which I don't think I need to elaborate why you shouldn't salute someone from an adversarial nation.
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 174d
You're such a fucking bootlicker. Stop acting like there is plausible deniability here. Everyone knows you take your hat off as a sign of respect. You take your hat off to go to church, which he supposedly does all the time. You take your hat off at the dinner table for gods sakes. You certainly as fuck take your hat off to show respects to 6 people you got killed for a war you started to cover up the fact you raped and tortured kids with your best friend at pedo snuff film Island.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 174d
See, that's the thing. Not everyone knows this, it's not obvious to everyone, and this was posted with no explanation as to what the procedure is.
And given multiple other people in the photo are wearing hats, it's a reasonable question to ask.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 175d
They are following the correct military protocol, Trump is not.
Archon_Warslut@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 174d
meanwhile, melania's just rubbing her own tit like she's in her private bathroom at home... for shame, these people!