No fucking way. Janeway like her coffee SO MUCH (how much is that, you ask? I will tell you, she loves her coffee SO MUCH!!) that she would even go to the extreme ends of not murdering someone to get it.
Possibly not Tuvix though, bc fuck that one guy in particular.
But a normal everyday murder, on a Tuesday, she would absolutely forego in order to have her coffee fix.
Well, she could have airlocked Tuvix & fired a photon torpedo at him just to see if a cute flower and some commander would pop out. Or perhaps coffee beans, you never know until you try.
When it aired it gave me back some faith in humanity, for even as they had strayed from the Way with Discovery, SNW showed us they still do know de Way
(gif related indirectly, I didn't want to post star wars so I wanted star trek gif with the word "way" in it")
What's even crazier is they had to promote Sisco from Lt. to Commander to give him a whole space station, then promoted him to Captain and gave him a ship for his space station. When I'm pretty sure if your running a space station you should at least be an Admiral. Did this never make sense to anyone else?
It was meant to be a backwater station around a planet that was unstable. Mostly they job was be in the way of cardasian return and try valiently to get things towards Fed membership. I believe he had been a Lt commander aboard ships serving as the XO. He was at least a project lead at the ship yards. He may have even run the yards, I don't recall right now.
He was pushed into a command role that was intended to bring him back to where his career was many to be.
The rank of a station commander depends on the importance of the station in the fleet. Admiralty are posted to stations that are region command stations. The postings serve as command of the fleets in the region as well. For smaller posts the rank to command them drops a lot. Sisko was placed in command of one small station with a couple runabouts. The rank of Commander suits the post. Once it got more important he was already imbedded deeply with the the bajorans.
That's definitely not the text Sisko should have. I think it got switched with Janeway by accident. She didn't arrange the death of a Romulaan high official to involve another nation in support of her war (and do a whole episode about how they can live with it), or poison whole planets for personal vendetta. 🤷♂️
62 Comments
Solumbran@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 148d
I mean... Crimes of war Sisko?
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 38 pts · 148d
War crimes are not a burden. After all, he can live with it.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 147d
He was a really good dad, so it evens out.
GuyFawkes@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 147d
Those war crimes saved the Alpha Quadrant!
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 148d
Fucking yes! More people recognizing Sisko is a bastard.
Solumbran@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 147d
For me it was always obvious.
I mean, Janeway was thrown into a hostile environment with basically nothing, and sometimes picked the less moral choices, to make her crew survive.
Sisko decided to ruin the lives of basically a whole planet, just because he was to arrogant to admit that he got defeated.
I think there's a matter of context, and Sisko has no way to justify his behaviour other than "I see myself as god so I can do whatever I want"
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 147d
Hey, if space-Jesus is going to make his omelet, he's gonna have to break some eggs.
Norin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 147d
Yeah, but those war crimes were cool.
FaygoRedPop@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 148d
I'm sorry, but were you under the impression that Janeway, in any fashion, fucks around?
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 34 pts · 148d
(Except for the salamander fucking around.)
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 147d
that was not around. that was a committed salamander relationship
GuyFawkes@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 147d
Committed? I heard they split like immediately after their first brood, THEN became deadbeat parents who never saw them again!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 147d
yeah, but that was when they was filthy hue mahns. as salamanders they would never
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 147d
Those salamander babies are going to grow up and evolve into intelligent reptilians, and Janeway and Paris will be their Adam & Eve.
zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev · 33 pts · 148d
Even Troi had to kill someone to complete her bridge officer test.
Kirk@startrek.website · 15 pts · 147d
yes but she felt bad about it
TheFerrango@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 146d
I sure feel bad about sacrificing everyone in this planet, but I really want that admiral promotion
veeesix@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 148d
Hol up. My feelings matter?
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website · 34 pts · 148d
Well no, not yours.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 148d
Not really. It's just what captains say to keep crews slaving away and risking their lives without compensation.
evidences@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 147d
Bro it's a post scarcity society what do I need a pay check for?
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 147d
Eeza joke. You laugh, you move on. Thinking ruins it.
xkbx@startrek.website · 4 pts · 148d
Their feelings matter it’s just that nothing’s gonna really be done about it
Kirk@startrek.website · 5 pts · 148d
Maybe you're the exception that proves the rule
Hux@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 148d
“Medical team to the bridge, Kirk is burning red shirts!”
hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 147d
Yes, sure... now put your security officer suit on and beam on this episodes dangerous planet.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 11 pts · 148d
Coffee addition is "ok", murder was absolutely necessary.
Kirk@startrek.website · 5 pts · 147d
"if i somehow couldnt do murders anymore id probably just fly into a black hole" -Janeway
OpenStars@piefed.social · 4 pts · 147d
No fucking way. Janeway like her coffee SO MUCH (how much is that, you ask? I will tell you, she loves her coffee SO MUCH!!) that she would even go to the extreme ends of not murdering someone to get it.
Possibly not Tuvix though, bc fuck that one guy in particular.
But a normal everyday murder, on a Tuesday, she would absolutely forego in order to have her coffee fix.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 147d
Lmao, given the choice between coffee and killing Tuvix she would still kill Tuvix. Like any good captain.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 3 pts · 147d
We all have to make sacrifices, in order to kill Tuvix.
But the important thing is, can she find a way to also get coffee out of the situation?
If the answer is anything at all related to proton torpedos, then the answer is an obvious yes!
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 147d
Well, she could have airlocked Tuvix & fired a photon torpedo at him just to see if a cute flower and some commander would pop out. Or perhaps coffee beans, you never know until you try.
KeenFlame@feddit.nu · 4 pts · 147d
...Unless you seduce Q ... Then you can basically ensure coffee..
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 147d
Then one can become coffee & just ouroboros oneself in an endless self-gratifying loop.
KeenFlame@feddit.nu · 3 pts · 147d
As long as Tuvix is not in this oruboros, I'm in
kieron115@startrek.website · 10 pts · 147d
Just a little murder, now and then. As a treat!
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 147d
Think of all the murders she did when the camera weren't rolling.
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 147d
Kirk@startrek.website · 13 pts · 147d
Man, when Pike said that line I burst into tears. Incredible performance by Anson Mount.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 146d
SNW is just
When it aired it gave me back some faith in humanity, for even as they had strayed from the Way with Discovery, SNW showed us they still do know de Way
(gif related indirectly, I didn't want to post star wars so I wanted star trek gif with the word "way" in it")
Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 148d
Not the political compass I'm used to
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 147d
Sometimes you’ve got to break some eggs
Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 147d
To be clear, the eggs are people.
IratePirate@feddit.org · 6 pts · 147d
Weird omelette, but I'll try it.
Tischkante@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 147d
For coffee
TootSweet@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 147d
Archer: Racism is ok.
5715@feddit.org · 1 pts · 134d
For Porthos
fireweed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 147d
How come Picard gets to wear his v2 uniform but not Sisko? (Also why's his hair upside-down?)
Kirk@startrek.website · 11 pts · 147d
ummmm temporal anomaly (for both questions)?
Snowclone@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 147d
What's even crazier is they had to promote Sisco from Lt. to Commander to give him a whole space station, then promoted him to Captain and gave him a ship for his space station. When I'm pretty sure if your running a space station you should at least be an Admiral. Did this never make sense to anyone else?
King_Bob_IV@startrek.website · 7 pts · 147d
It was meant to be a backwater station around a planet that was unstable. Mostly they job was be in the way of cardasian return and try valiently to get things towards Fed membership. I believe he had been a Lt commander aboard ships serving as the XO. He was at least a project lead at the ship yards. He may have even run the yards, I don't recall right now.
He was pushed into a command role that was intended to bring him back to where his career was many to be.
The rank of a station commander depends on the importance of the station in the fleet. Admiralty are posted to stations that are region command stations. The postings serve as command of the fleets in the region as well. For smaller posts the rank to command them drops a lot. Sisko was placed in command of one small station with a couple runabouts. The rank of Commander suits the post. Once it got more important he was already imbedded deeply with the the bajorans.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 147d
My issue with the “you’re not a burden” is that, it may be true and that you can totally be a burden.
Whereas I think it’s always okay to ask for help is universally true.
Kirk@startrek.website · 4 pts · 147d
That's... uh, that's the one you have an issue with?
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 3 pts · 147d
You can own a few crows
NickwithaC@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 147d
As a treat.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 142d
I feel like I'm not on this sub enough to get the joke. Are we referring to the Tuvix incident?
Kirk@startrek.website · 1 pts · 142d
dingdingding
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 147d
Admiral Marcus be like:
Let's kill the entire crew of the Enterprise so I can get away with starting a war
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 147d
that's correct ben. i'm a problem.
autonomous@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 147d
That's definitely not the text Sisko should have. I think it got switched with Janeway by accident. She didn't arrange the death of a Romulaan high official to involve another nation in support of her war (and do a whole episode about how they can live with it), or poison whole planets for personal vendetta. 🤷♂️