The Trump administration is on its way to creating every authoritarian’s dream: a centralized database containing intimate details about every resident of this country, fully searchable by artificial intelligence. This powerful tool would empower the government to conduct previously unimagined levels of surveillance and harassment against its own people.
Freedom of the Press Foundation is suing the administration for documents behind the database. We know that this isn’t just something that the Trump administration would exploit; once built, it’s unlikely any administration could resist the urge to weaponize our personal information.
This nightmare privacy scenario began one year ago, when President Donald Trump issued an executive order that expanded data sharing across the federal government. The administration touted the order, “Stopping Waste, Fraud, and Abuse by Eliminating Information Silos,” as a way to target fraud within a supposedly bloated government.
The order was no such thing.
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DandomRude@piefed.social · 134 pts · 158d
unnamed1@feddit.org · 37 pts · 158d
Seriously. This is not new. The whole Prism thing before Palantir had all the data but not the ontology. I’m glad Europe learnt from Snowden.
DandomRude@piefed.social · 28 pts · 158d
Lianodel@ttrpg.network · 5 pts · 157d
Sorry, this is the first I've heard of Palantir Gotham.
Jesus Christ, I hate media-illiterate nerds. Batman, famously, DOESN'T TRUST COPS!
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 156d
There are people who perceive immigrants as threats, especially states in the former East Germany.
DandomRude@piefed.social · 1 pts · 156d
Kyouki@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 158d
It's painful to read Palantir still being used in EU as well..
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 157d
The UK is handing data on every citizen to Palantir as they integrate it into (what remains of) the health service. Starmer's government is stupid and corrupt.
Yliaster@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
The UK is not part of the EU (European Union), although it is part of the content "Europe".
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 157d
Yes, that is true.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 157d
Germany, Spain, and possibly the Netherlands have purchased contracts for Pegasus. Spain already used it on some activists.
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 43 pts · 158d
Another one?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 158d
If a private company does it, they can "sell" the data to the government and all the government needs to see it is pay.
If the government has the data, then there is laws and regulations about how they use it.
Like most things trump does, the problem already existed, most people were just ignorant until someone as stupid as trump tried to trick them.
That's why we keep seeing people acting shocked that trump is doing what's been done for decades. The problem is they tend to act like trump and refuse to accept that they realized late. But at least they're finally starting to notice
Yliaster@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
Can't the government just force these private companies to give them their data?
LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml · 35 pts · 158d
Folks: you gotta stop saying Trump Trump Trump. He doesn't personally give a shit about any database. The capitalist oligarchy that put him in office does. He's not a great man but the money behind him is massive. Don't be fooled.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 156d
I understand this and to a certain extent it's true, but the tendency to say everything is bad because of one guy is preventing actual change because it's not one guy, it is the structure.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 156d
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 157d
Lol... "the capitalist oligarchy"?
Is the GOP. Trump is the shitty, dilapidated face of the GOP, so people say Trump sometimes.
Oversimplification of the problems we face is a mistake. You can't blame the economic system for corruption when corruption can take place so easily in virtually any system.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 157d
Historically capital captured democrats supported these types of initiatives in the past, such as the patriot act and its renewals, as well as increased funding to the institutions that implemented Prism.
Both sides are very much beholden to capital interests, so it's accurate to call it capitalist oligarchs.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 157d
Oh, I'm not a fan of the democrats. Fuck 'em.
But what's your alternative? Do you think corruption vanishes when capitalism crumbles?
Sweet summer child, history does not agree with your platitudinous outlook.
I fucking hate the American corporate system. I hate what they do to everyone, myself included. I'm not even against changing that system.
But that alone won't solve this problem... If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge I'd like to share with you.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 157d
My comment is in response to the idea that only the GOP are 'The capitalist Oligarchy', my point is both sides are fucked, the Democrats just slow down the fucking.
I think building up an alternative system within our current one so that there's not a power vacuum when it all collapses is the best path forward. This is known as Prefiguration. Ideally, we'd prefigure towards a libertarian socialist society, much like was practiced in Catalonia in the 30's, and as depicted in The Dispossessed.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 30 pts · 158d
It's already happening. They just want to legalize it for other use.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 158d
There is no single database for all of this information (but thanks to Palantir there will be for all of this and more), so that is definitely new.
The tip of the authoritarian easy button iceberg:
•The Central Intelligence Agency has been granted increased access to domestic law enforcement databases, further blurring the line between foreign intelligence and domestic policing.
•The so-called Department of Government Efficiency got direct access to Treasury Department payment systems, including Social Security numbers, names, and birthdays, according to a whistleblower.
•Immigration and Customs Enforcement got access to Medicaid recipients’ data and banking information.
•The Transportation Security Administration is now sharing biometric passenger info with immigration enforcement, turning every airport check-in into a potential trap.
thiseggowaffles@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 158d
It depends on how you want to define "database" as to whether or not this already existed. Traditional database like a SQL database... Probably. But... Look into the Utah Data Center.
ZephyrXero@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 158d
Gotta thank Oracle too. Ellison/Oracle has been pushing multiple countries to do this consolidation, not just the US
Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 158d
They already have. Thats what DOGE was for. The massive data centers are critical infrastructure for the AI surveillance state.
BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 158d
And the President is a pig-faced child-raping traitor.
Put that in the database, too.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 158d
i remember in 2016 when the republican database of citizens leaked. it had like 25 variables per person. i downloaded it (i think i might still have it) and it was about as right as the algorithm that thinks i'm a radiological oncologist.
all it had correct about me was my address.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 158d
10 years later their tools are unfathomably better.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 158d
the algorithm still thinks i'm a radiological oncologist.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 158d
I think you misread it, it actually now thinks that you're a radical oncologist
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 158d
Have you considered the possibility?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 158d
i have, but i cannot get enough cocaine to survive med school. or rather, that much cocaine would kill me
GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 158d
If I’ve been doing anything right I’m already in several.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 158d
Lmao fun fact everyone, you are already in many massive secret government databases and have been for years, long predating Trump
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 158d
blattrules@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 158d
Tinfoil hat, perpetually mad at the government types still silent for some reason.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 158d
Yeah seriously, where's all those friggin "Molon Labe" kids now? "2nd protects the 1st"? "Tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty"? "No step on snek"? "Don't agree with you but will fight to the death for your right to say it"? "What did you just say to me you little bitch I'm a navy seal with over 99 confirmed kills"? (Lol)
Well here it is. The gubbmint wants to monitor your thoughts with the help of hidden microphones everywhere, hacking your phone, and probably space lasers. They want to biometric scan you and your kids just to allow access to electronic devices. They're building databases and literally rounding people up they don't like and putting them in concentration camps, even right here on home soil, no less! They're murdering U.S citzens right here in our cities.
I thought we'd at least be allies with these types, with some general disagreements on the finer points, but these big tough sheepdoggy guys that seemingly adored the Constitution and AR-15s that were seemingly EVERYWHERE, are suddenly all disappeared, or getting fantastic glutes from all that goose stepping.
Bunch'a pathetic mall ninjas. It's up to us to be training and looking after each other if we want any chance of brighter days ahead.
blattrules@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 157d
For real, we had to listen to these idiots for decades and now they seem completely silent when everything they’ve raged against for so long has finally manifested.
circuscritic@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 158d
Excuse me while I begin preparing to hold my breath on the belief that the next Democratic administration will not only not abuse this system, but will actually abolish it.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 158d
i will raise your bet to one donut and coffee, i say less-flagrantly abuse but pretend they have stopped, only to have expanded the entire time. also a reminder to breathe you need that to live
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 158d
Dumbass. Elon and doge beat him to it. People should be furious.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 157d
Ultimately this sounds fucking stonks for the so-called private prison industry.
System of a Down - The Prison Song
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 157d
Doubtless that would be bad if Trump could read.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 158d
And people wonder why I have such a hair up my ass about all the data and information large tech collects on us. Organize and arm up.
baconsunday@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 157d
Okay, make sure that you put a note next to my name that I really don't give a fuck.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 157d
Put one next to nine that reads "Better a pig than a fascist"
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 157d
Most people want to put him through a wall.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 156d
It's not really a secret.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 158d
Social score when?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 158d
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 158d
The new us version
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 158d
we've had one since 1958 tho that's my point.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 158d
Not the same style as the Chinese one
homes@piefed.world · 4 pts · 158d
Well, not so secret
virku@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 158d
Wasn't this what Oracle was literally made for?
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 3 pts · 157d
Is “massive” the Trump administration’s word of the day today or what?
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 156d
It's more bigly than YUGE.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 156d
No one probably told him about the ones that already exist. That or he's jealous someone else already made it.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 158d
I think it's just for tweens.
acme401@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 158d
Too late