yeah I didn't figure it was true. but had to say it still just in case. And whoever wrote it knew what they were implying / trying to generate internet feelings. Because again, it would be epic bad if troops in training, this early in, were THAT cynical.
Art imitates life: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-troops-iran-war-israel_n_69bf18a1e4b01c6ce885ce6d ... I know it's just one article, and it's HuffPo ... but it is just the first one I found this morning. My own contacts agree morale is low, and not just for those in uniform. Civil service types are not happy either. Like, the ones that help ensure logistics flow, intelligence flows, provide depot MX support, etc. It is wide spread and coming on the heals of a massive exodus of expertise. I just had a former client reach out to me 4 weeks ago about a potential direct-hire job opportunity but I didn't see it until last last week. When I replied back their response was, "yeah you don't want this now. Things are not good around here." IT'S THEIR BRANCH THEY ARE HIRING FOR! Think about that, they just said, effectively, 'don't come work for me, it isn't worth it'
No. An honest assessment about just how bad it is if you're troops are already THAT cynical before they even leave garrison and aren't trying to hide it. I doubt it's true though.
Actually, the name is inspired by an anti-binary mentality. I tend to disagree with black and white labels, and instead believe that most things can be found on the gradient between two extremes. I think this is reinforced by the idea that change is constant, and if you were to somehow become the 100% embodiment of an idea, it would only last for an infinitely small period of time as you bounce off the binary rev limiter, since you can't go past it.
To me, al dente represents a place on the gradient that just feels right. Al dente literally means "to the tooth", and is found by taking a bite to check if pasta is starting to become cooked, while still retaining some firmness. It's not undercooked, and it's not overcooked.
On the topic of the OP, I see the outright dismissals as one of the binary extremes. Even if the screenshot was of a parody account, it seems obsurd to say that this isn't happening and is misinformation. Israel and the Epstein class have such an obviously significant influence over US military. Surely soldiers have noticed, and if no one was jokingly saluting "for Epstein" before, some would have been inspired by this headline since it has been circulating for a few weeks now.
Asking basically every coworker I have that's served and that's like 4 navy guys 3 marines 4 army dudes. They all basically confirmed what that guy said.
If it was for a joke they 100% would sarcasticly have saluted each other and made dumb jokes.
Soldiers (enlisted below the rank of sergeant) never salute each other except maybe as a joke.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. The claim is that soldiers are jokingly saluting each other in honor of the Epstein class. I find it inconceivable that there aren't groups of corporals jokingly saluting each other over the Epstein/Israel/Trump situation, especially after headlines like these came out. I find it incredibly hard to image they aren't jokingly saluting like-minded NCOs as well. And surely, there are some lieutenants telling them all to knock it off.
The guy I was originally responding to seems to have a nothing-ever-happens mentality, and I couldn't disagree more.
For sure, and this headline has been circulating for weeks. If no soldiers were jokingly saluting about the obvious military manipulation by the Epstein-class before, then some have surely been inspired by this satirical post.
I guess you're right, saluting was just a fad and nobody does that in the military anymore, not even to joke about serving Israel and the Epstein-class. Although, I stand by the comment about not saluting when deployed. In combat zones, a salute can indicate to the enemy who is higher ranking, and is normally prohibited.
Maybe. Many are just dumb 20+ yos who didn't have opportunities.
My cousin was unemployed for three years after HS and wracking up college debt. He's now in the military and knowing him, he probably is sarcastically saying "For Epstein".
Oh I haven’t. But isn’t the discipline pretty strict? I mean I’m sure they get all kinds of randos enlisting, but aren’t they controlled very strictly during their training, to prepare them to follow orders well later?
I’m genuinely curious here. Feel free to educate me.
Naw, people are people no matter the situation. If you were an asshole before you join it's not like you'll just not be an asshole. You gotta make a choice to change and some people absolutely don't take that path.
And you'd be surprised what people will do knowing the consequences. Some people really just don't give a fuck lol
For example, while on restriction for getting a dui, one guy was told to clean the company commanders office. Took that as an opportunity to stand on the officers desk with a mop and cartoonishly slosh water over all his paperwork / mop the computer ect ect. He only got 30 more days of restrictions for that.
So it’s quite the shit show? I never had any illusions that enlisting would change anyone, and in fact I’d expect the military to get more problematic people than average. I just thought they were decent at managing them.
Boot camp was filled with some of the funniest shit I ever experienced in my life. Sometimes you just take the PT punishment cuz the laugh was worth it. Sometimes your drill instructor even breaks.
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ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 187 pts · 162d
I have now deemed this true in my head cannon.
jumperalex@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 162d
If it really is true, I cannot stress enough just how bad it is. Like, really really bad.
Devadander@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 162d
Good. It’s a farce and should be treated as such
jumperalex@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 162d
100%
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 40 pts · 162d
Halfway Post is a satire site. This is not true.
jumperalex@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 161d
yeah I didn't figure it was true. but had to say it still just in case. And whoever wrote it knew what they were implying / trying to generate internet feelings. Because again, it would be epic bad if troops in training, this early in, were THAT cynical.
jumperalex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 158d
Art imitates life: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-troops-iran-war-israel_n_69bf18a1e4b01c6ce885ce6d ... I know it's just one article, and it's HuffPo ... but it is just the first one I found this morning. My own contacts agree morale is low, and not just for those in uniform. Civil service types are not happy either. Like, the ones that help ensure logistics flow, intelligence flows, provide depot MX support, etc. It is wide spread and coming on the heals of a massive exodus of expertise. I just had a former client reach out to me 4 weeks ago about a potential direct-hire job opportunity but I didn't see it until last last week. When I replied back their response was, "yeah you don't want this now. Things are not good around here." IT'S THEIR BRANCH THEY ARE HIRING FOR! Think about that, they just said, effectively, 'don't come work for me, it isn't worth it'
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 162d
Is this a Fallout 4 reference?
jumperalex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 161d
No. An honest assessment about just how bad it is if you're troops are already THAT cynical before they even leave garrison and aren't trying to hide it. I doubt it's true though.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 63 pts · 162d
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 162d
Do you load that with regular cannonballs?
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 7 pts · 162d
Too small for that, you have to load it with regular balls.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 162d
Maximum pee storage this way
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 162d
grapeshot like the founding fathers intended
Gork@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 162d
Tally Ho, lads!
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 93 pts · 162d
That's how you know for sure it's fake. Soldiers in training don't salute each other. They only salute officers.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 162d
God damnit, I wanted this to be true so badly.
CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 162d
If it makes you feel better, it is 100% something marines would do (not the saluting). At least until higher ups started threatening
AlDente@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 162d
You can be training for an invasion without being in basic training, or are we to assume there are no continuous improvement efforts in the military?
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 20 pts · 162d
Who said anything about basic training?
Soldiers don't go around saluting each other, no matter what stage of training they're in.
AlDente@sh.itjust.works · -8 pts · 162d
Deployed in the field, no. In garrison, yes.
nomy@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 162d
Did you serve at all or are you just saying things?
Gork@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 162d
He served it al dente, obviously
Edit: assuming it's a guy with a name like Al
AlDente@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 162d
Actually, the name is inspired by an anti-binary mentality. I tend to disagree with black and white labels, and instead believe that most things can be found on the gradient between two extremes. I think this is reinforced by the idea that change is constant, and if you were to somehow become the 100% embodiment of an idea, it would only last for an infinitely small period of time as you bounce off the binary rev limiter, since you can't go past it.
To me, al dente represents a place on the gradient that just feels right. Al dente literally means "to the tooth", and is found by taking a bite to check if pasta is starting to become cooked, while still retaining some firmness. It's not undercooked, and it's not overcooked.
On the topic of the OP, I see the outright dismissals as one of the binary extremes. Even if the screenshot was of a parody account, it seems obsurd to say that this isn't happening and is misinformation. Israel and the Epstein class have such an obviously significant influence over US military. Surely soldiers have noticed, and if no one was jokingly saluting "for Epstein" before, some would have been inspired by this headline since it has been circulating for a few weeks now.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 162d
Asking basically every coworker I have that's served and that's like 4 navy guys 3 marines 4 army dudes. They all basically confirmed what that guy said.
If it was for a joke they 100% would sarcasticly have saluted each other and made dumb jokes.
nulluser@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 162d
Soldiers salute comissioned officers regularly, except in very specific circumstances.
Soldiers salute non-commissioned officers (enlisted with rank sergeant and above) very rarely in very specific circumstances.
Soldiers (enlisted below the rank of sergeant) never salute each other except maybe as a joke. It's just not a thing.
AlDente@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 162d
I think you hit the nail on the head here. The claim is that soldiers are jokingly saluting each other in honor of the Epstein class. I find it inconceivable that there aren't groups of corporals jokingly saluting each other over the Epstein/Israel/Trump situation, especially after headlines like these came out. I find it incredibly hard to image they aren't jokingly saluting like-minded NCOs as well. And surely, there are some lieutenants telling them all to knock it off.
The guy I was originally responding to seems to have a nothing-ever-happens mentality, and I couldn't disagree more.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 162d
Halfway Post is also a satire site like The Onion.
AlDente@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 162d
For sure, and this headline has been circulating for weeks. If no soldiers were jokingly saluting about the obvious military manipulation by the Epstein-class before, then some have surely been inspired by this satirical post.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 162d
Source: your pasta extruder.
AlDente@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 162d
I guess you're right, saluting was just a fad and nobody does that in the military anymore, not even to joke about serving Israel and the Epstein-class. Although, I stand by the comment about not saluting when deployed. In combat zones, a salute can indicate to the enemy who is higher ranking, and is normally prohibited.
elevenbones@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 162d
Okey dokie!
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 161d
You can also tell it's fake because of common sense. But that's a rare trait these days.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 80 pts · 162d
FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 162d
It's better than 6 7 because it actually means something
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 31 pts · 162d
It doesn't mean anything if they still commit war crimes.
FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 162d
Nah it just means they're willing to commit crimes against humanity for the Epstein class
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 8 pts · 162d
Yeah but, they're committing war crimes ironically.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 162d
tally ho!
48954246@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 162d
67 is fine. It took me a while to realise that.
It has exactly the same rules as The Game except you win when you hear 67. I think that's pretty nice.
Godric@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 162d
You fuck-
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 162d
https://xkcd.com/391/
Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 162d
I mean 6 time 7 does equal 42 the answer to life, universe, and everything. So these kids do makes sense when you multiple it.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 162d
But the question is "what do you get when you multiply seven by nine?" So really they're just making things worse.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 162d
Bold to assume these kids know how to multiply.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 162d
Unlike their service in Iran.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 162d
it was just a shibollet, not the first, not the last
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 162d
Ah yes, a shibboleth.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOd3lwluQIw
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 29 pts · 162d
apftwb@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 162d
Satire account 😔
Godric@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 162d
What gave it away?
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 162d
Most of the armed forces are MAGA, trust me
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 26 pts · 162d
Maybe. Many are just dumb 20+ yos who didn't have opportunities.
My cousin was unemployed for three years after HS and wracking up college debt. He's now in the military and knowing him, he probably is sarcastically saying "For Epstein".
scarabic@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 162d
I have trouble believing that the military can’t control recruits in training.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 162d
scarabic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 162d
Oh I haven’t. But isn’t the discipline pretty strict? I mean I’m sure they get all kinds of randos enlisting, but aren’t they controlled very strictly during their training, to prepare them to follow orders well later?
I’m genuinely curious here. Feel free to educate me.
tux7350@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 162d
Naw, people are people no matter the situation. If you were an asshole before you join it's not like you'll just not be an asshole. You gotta make a choice to change and some people absolutely don't take that path.
And you'd be surprised what people will do knowing the consequences. Some people really just don't give a fuck lol
For example, while on restriction for getting a dui, one guy was told to clean the company commanders office. Took that as an opportunity to stand on the officers desk with a mop and cartoonishly slosh water over all his paperwork / mop the computer ect ect. He only got 30 more days of restrictions for that.
Feel free to ask me whatever if you're curious.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 162d
So it’s quite the shit show? I never had any illusions that enlisting would change anyone, and in fact I’d expect the military to get more problematic people than average. I just thought they were decent at managing them.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 161d
CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 162d
Boot camp was filled with some of the funniest shit I ever experienced in my life. Sometimes you just take the PT punishment cuz the laugh was worth it. Sometimes your drill instructor even breaks.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 162d
Oh yeah, 6 and 7. Classic generation alphas. I liked generation alphas 4 and 5, personally.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 162d
Please don’t spread misinformation without clearly marking the joke.
Godric@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 162d
You take every tweet at face value? Please don't :(
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 2 pts · 162d
If they know this is the case, why are they willing to fight? They have guns. They can use them against the people ordering them into danger.
endless_nameless@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 162d
Probably because that guarantees their death. They'll either be killed in combat or receive the death sentence.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 1 pts · 162d
Then, since these are the ones in training, they should refuse to take up arms.
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 162d
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 162d
Humerous…
…But I see a blue checkmark, and I downvote. Nothing personal, but I will not support Twitter even indirectly.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 162d
What a dumb hill to die on. It's a screenshot, we're not even on Twitter.
Etterra@discuss.online · 1 pts · 161d
Sorry generals, this isn't self referential nonsense. It's a critique on the Orange Jackass and everything he fucking stands for.