I never why we suppose to feel bad about our state in order to oppose to it.
Shame do not lead to long term action; feeling bat about a state we do not run imply identify to it. This is an issue, we have to distinguish ourselves (as a collective) from the state.
I'm sure the EU will impose sanctions on the US for the actions of this administration, like they did with Russia. They wouldn't want to appear hypocritical, after all.
Havent you heard, stealing the worlds gold during the Bretton Wood system and then forcing countries to adopt USD so that they can export their inflation makes them the good guys.
Already do. I get reminded everyday that my country is super evil but there's not much I can do about it aside from voting which from what I understand this sublemmy doesn't believe will do anything. So if that's the case, guess I'm just fucked anyway? No matter what I do, my country will bomb other countries to the ground and its my fault??
Yup. Keep going to work to fund atrocities domestically and overseas. When you're not doing that, show up at a demonstration. But don't ever demonstrate violently like the French or anything. That's bad, mkay?
If every American did just a bit of that simultaneously, nobody would be worrying about either. They'd be worrying about their country and it's consequences to the globe. Something Americans are incapable of. No mass unrest, no unrest to register. The job market is already upsidedown, again, under trump, again. What's the worst in tipping the scale over and bouncing off of rock bottom? It's what the world needs. It's what you need. It's what I need. China did it. The French still do it. Americans have lived catered to buy slaves and slave labor since this countries inception, ain't nobody willing to get uncomfortable even in the face of oppressive regime. So, yes. Get into unsecured debt. Try out homelessness while you protest in the streets. Nobody in their right minds goes to work, protest, then work again. Fucking commit or be honest that your so called values are hollow virtue signaling. Come on in, the waters fine.
"All you have to do is convince 150 million adults to sacrifice what little safety and security they feel they have to do a thing they've never personally experienced through decades of propaganda. Why are you still sitting there, crying?"
Every reasonable person knows that. But people aren't reasonable. The average person is a complete fucking moron. Tack on to that idiocy, you've also got years of talk radio, podcasts, and Cambridge Analytica technology in social media affecting their brains and you're not going to reach them. That's not to say they can't be reached, but you're not going to convince them. There's not an argument or series of arguments that will reach them. They need to experience things to get out of that mindset. We're finally seeing that come to pass as layoffs, food and fuel costs are angering people. They're shaking their heads a little. We will get there. I have no idea how much damage will be done before then. I have no idea what systems are recoverable. I don't know if there will be too many people in concentration camps, I don't know if we're going to have any water or farmable land. And I don't know if there will be anything worth fighting for by the time enough people decide to fight. I suppose that's how many of these events play out in history. Authoritarian regimes are temporary by nature. Who survives them and how is always changing.
I'll take a moment to note some challenges about living and fighting in America. The country is huge. Moving people from one part to another is not trivial. Ask anyone who went to a big concert, or a hot vacation spot how it went and they will always mention the traffic. And that's just an uptick in people at one location. Doing things en masse requires infrastructure we don't have. And along with that infrastructure, any given spot has about 3 days of food without trucks. No one area (save for Central California) grows enough of a variety of foods to exist on. The central plains have wheat and corn, the coasts have fruit, the South has livestock. Not only do we only exist for a few days without resupply, the resupply routes are days of constant driving to do so from different parts of the country simultaneously. Most any Western State is the size of European Countries. To get produce from California to Washington DC is like moving it from Spain to Ukraine. Or Ireland to Uzbekistan.
So, tell me, how easy is it for an Irishman to convince parts of the UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland (just kidding, they'd never join anything), Italy, Austria, Greece, Czechia, Romania, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and maybe even Georgia and Azerbaijan to keep supplying them with food and supplies as they do a general strike with potentially no forceful outcome? Or even that same Irishman to travel to the political seat of Uzbekistan with members of the aforementioned countries in tow in numbers large enough to affect change and make sure people are supplied along the way? You tell me how to make that happen and I'll do my part in mapping it out.
I don't think you realize that you are advocating for the destruction of lives more than the destruction of America. It is chaos and absorbs chaos. The system I am stuck in was made by design to bend instead of break and the obstinance and disconnect from both the corrupt elite and those deluded into supporting them is a larger barrier than people outside of the country understand.
I am an American, born here. I get it. Hardship is not the destruction of lives, nor is bankruptcy, nor is homelessness. The destruction of life is the destruction of life. What path are we on? How far down the tracks are you? The same track we're all tied to on this sinking ship. So, quick! Do nothing differently!!
Didn't you hear, They're doing a strike on may 1.
A whole complete day, the regime will crumble!!!!
The irony of this date and that normal countries have that day off (fully paid) anyway.
Achieved by people who actually and literally fought for it, where strikes went on for weeks and months, a virtual war of attrition.
We earned it, nothing was given.
And I'm going to use that day to ridicule TF out of these losers.
Kindly notify me once the revolution starts, and I'll participate. Otherwise, I'll just be throwing my life away for nothing in return by trying to start one myself. It would honestly do nothing but aid the fascists in their propaganda that leftists are violent and need to have their rights taken away. Therefore, I will only do that when there's nothing left of value in living, so at least I would go out in a bang.
Yeah, USA will lose. We're going to kill a bunch of good people along the way. That sucks. Hopefully there's like a rock bottom and we don't nuke the whole world before we hit it.
That would be for North America,
but I disagree considering where the name America likely came from,
not Albericus Vespucci, but from a Mayan mountainous region named Amerrisque,
"land where the wind blows constantly" and perhaps combined with the Spanish word "rica/rich",
because those mountains were rich with gold at that time.
And I think that name is more fitting than 'Turtle Island' to be honest.
North America has a lot of hurricanes and tornadoes.
And it's rich with resources.
No idea. I just want to note that the most widespread indigenous languages still in use in North America are Nahuatl and Mayan laguages so if indigneous people were to vote on it they would probably have a lot to say about it.
Yes! We should feel bad! Unfortunately, there are people who think what that asshat does is awesome. My mother, who I won't speak to because two of the ladies in her sons' lives are now at risk. Fuck these people. They are selfish and frightened and they externalize their fear.
Don't twist it. My point was that there's people who actively dislike this regime and are doing something about it. It's too counter the idea that all Americans are for this regime. Your approval of how some people's tactics is irrelevant, it's still showing that the people aren't a monolith.
Hate all you want but US is still the most influential country of all time. We have issues, yeah. But they're also broadcast to the world because everyone with an internet connection watches every move we make.
But does your country actually rival us? In anything? (except life-saving treatment let's just ignore that one)
US imperialism didn't start with Trump, it's bipartisan. The US Empire functions by plundering the global south, solidifying this with its strong overseas millitary presence. Through financial monopoly in the US, industry is shipped overseas to superexploit for superprofits, and any attempts at organizing for better are frustrated by the US millitary.
For countries that don't toe the line, they are met with embargoes, sanctions, and terror bombings. Libya was destroyed despite being the most prosperous state in the region in its time, Venezuela had its president kidnapped, Cuba is being choked by an embargo, Iran is being terrorized, and many, many more examples.
The US Empire is the single greatest obstacle to human progress in the world.
104 Comments
Alpacalypse@crazypeople.online · 100 pts · 143d
Gaja0@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 142d
I feel like there has to be a better word for forcefully impregnating someone
Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 142d
Maybe also add the word violent instead of forcefully. 🤔
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 142d
If you're looking for the word "rape", rape doesn't mean to necessarily impregnate, but to just penetrate.
You can rape someone without any intention or action of trying to impregnate.
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 56 pts · 143d
America: Literally rains death on other countries.
Americans: How dare you say death to America! You're the real problem with the world!
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 143d
"How dare you not cry for the deaths of our troops! They only rape people because they need healthcare, you Hitler!"
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 142d
quit bringing this shit up or else you're going to split the vote between our pro-rape candidate and their pro-rape candidate!!!
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 141d
Or for education, or the only place they can get hired/employed
TopsickPilgrim@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 142d
Feeling bad about it is all we ever do.
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 14 pts · 142d
Damn, ain't that the truth
menas@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 141d
I never why we suppose to feel bad about our state in order to oppose to it. Shame do not lead to long term action; feeling bat about a state we do not run imply identify to it. This is an issue, we have to distinguish ourselves (as a collective) from the state.
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 31 pts · 143d
::: spoiler spoiler
:::
Alpacalypse@crazypeople.online · 18 pts · 143d
Lmfao what a spoiler
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 3 pts · 143d
Only the ones in the Americas? Why do the ones elsewhere in the world get a pass?
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 20 pts · 143d
Better?
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 4 pts · 143d
Better.
Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 142d
They don’t, but this post is specifically about the USA.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 142d
I'm sure the EU will impose sanctions on the US for the actions of this administration, like they did with Russia. They wouldn't want to appear hypocritical, after all.
orc_princess@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 141d
I love your display name lol
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 142d
I feel no attachment to the country that continuously attacked me and my people through the bipartisan police state.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 143d
Do you know how long I’ve been feeling bad about it?
EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 143d
No
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 143d
That bad feeling is old enough to rent a car.
robocall@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 142d
Is that 24 years?
ignotum@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 143d
Hey don't be mean, the pedophiles in charge of running the country are doing the best they can :(
robocall@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 142d
They are feeling pretty down from all the hate recently. They could use more kids to cheer them up.
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 143d
You think I don’t know that? I’m living inside of it.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 16 pts · 143d
I was drawing pictures making fun of George Bush Sr. in 7th grade. I’ve felt bad about this place for uhhhh… a while.
Twongo@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 143d
But bombing children pays for my healthcare you pos how can u say that??!!1! >:(
robocall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 142d
I get this joke. It's funny because what little healthcare you were being provided is actually now paying for bombing children.
Teh@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 143d
Bad? I’m pretty sure you mean horrified, embarrassed and worn thin from fighting morons.
nuko147@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 142d
Always was meme
Teppa@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d
Havent you heard, stealing the worlds gold during the Bretton Wood system and then forcing countries to adopt USD so that they can export their inflation makes them the good guys.
pirate2377@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 142d
Already do. I get reminded everyday that my country is super evil but there's not much I can do about it aside from voting which from what I understand this sublemmy doesn't believe will do anything. So if that's the case, guess I'm just fucked anyway? No matter what I do, my country will bomb other countries to the ground and its my fault??
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 142d
You can get organized. Join a party like PSL!
abcdqfr@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 142d
Yup. Keep going to work to fund atrocities domestically and overseas. When you're not doing that, show up at a demonstration. But don't ever demonstrate violently like the French or anything. That's bad, mkay?
Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 142d
😗 Can't tell if sarcastic. Are you saying become homeless and in forever debt instead of trying to survive?
abcdqfr@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 141d
If every American did just a bit of that simultaneously, nobody would be worrying about either. They'd be worrying about their country and it's consequences to the globe. Something Americans are incapable of. No mass unrest, no unrest to register. The job market is already upsidedown, again, under trump, again. What's the worst in tipping the scale over and bouncing off of rock bottom? It's what the world needs. It's what you need. It's what I need. China did it. The French still do it. Americans have lived catered to buy slaves and slave labor since this countries inception, ain't nobody willing to get uncomfortable even in the face of oppressive regime. So, yes. Get into unsecured debt. Try out homelessness while you protest in the streets. Nobody in their right minds goes to work, protest, then work again. Fucking commit or be honest that your so called values are hollow virtue signaling. Come on in, the waters fine.
gdog05@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 141d
"All you have to do is convince 150 million adults to sacrifice what little safety and security they feel they have to do a thing they've never personally experienced through decades of propaganda. Why are you still sitting there, crying?"
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 141d
i'm assuming that this is snark, but this will come to pass eventually if that 150 million continues on this path.
gdog05@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 141d
Every reasonable person knows that. But people aren't reasonable. The average person is a complete fucking moron. Tack on to that idiocy, you've also got years of talk radio, podcasts, and Cambridge Analytica technology in social media affecting their brains and you're not going to reach them. That's not to say they can't be reached, but you're not going to convince them. There's not an argument or series of arguments that will reach them. They need to experience things to get out of that mindset. We're finally seeing that come to pass as layoffs, food and fuel costs are angering people. They're shaking their heads a little. We will get there. I have no idea how much damage will be done before then. I have no idea what systems are recoverable. I don't know if there will be too many people in concentration camps, I don't know if we're going to have any water or farmable land. And I don't know if there will be anything worth fighting for by the time enough people decide to fight. I suppose that's how many of these events play out in history. Authoritarian regimes are temporary by nature. Who survives them and how is always changing.
I'll take a moment to note some challenges about living and fighting in America. The country is huge. Moving people from one part to another is not trivial. Ask anyone who went to a big concert, or a hot vacation spot how it went and they will always mention the traffic. And that's just an uptick in people at one location. Doing things en masse requires infrastructure we don't have. And along with that infrastructure, any given spot has about 3 days of food without trucks. No one area (save for Central California) grows enough of a variety of foods to exist on. The central plains have wheat and corn, the coasts have fruit, the South has livestock. Not only do we only exist for a few days without resupply, the resupply routes are days of constant driving to do so from different parts of the country simultaneously. Most any Western State is the size of European Countries. To get produce from California to Washington DC is like moving it from Spain to Ukraine. Or Ireland to Uzbekistan.
So, tell me, how easy is it for an Irishman to convince parts of the UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland (just kidding, they'd never join anything), Italy, Austria, Greece, Czechia, Romania, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and maybe even Georgia and Azerbaijan to keep supplying them with food and supplies as they do a general strike with potentially no forceful outcome? Or even that same Irishman to travel to the political seat of Uzbekistan with members of the aforementioned countries in tow in numbers large enough to affect change and make sure people are supplied along the way? You tell me how to make that happen and I'll do my part in mapping it out.
Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 141d
Well put. I wish more people put 1/10th the thought into posting that you demonstrate. Specifically on other social platforms, go Lemmy.
Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 141d
I don't think you realize that you are advocating for the destruction of lives more than the destruction of America. It is chaos and absorbs chaos. The system I am stuck in was made by design to bend instead of break and the obstinance and disconnect from both the corrupt elite and those deluded into supporting them is a larger barrier than people outside of the country understand.
abcdqfr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d
I am an American, born here. I get it. Hardship is not the destruction of lives, nor is bankruptcy, nor is homelessness. The destruction of life is the destruction of life. What path are we on? How far down the tracks are you? The same track we're all tied to on this sinking ship. So, quick! Do nothing differently!!
Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 141d
What a powerful tool and ability perspective is. I hope the best for you as you do nothing in your own direction as we get pulled by this ship.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 142d
Didn't you hear, They're doing a strike on may 1.
A whole complete day, the regime will crumble!!!!
The irony of this date and that normal countries have that day off (fully paid) anyway.
Achieved by people who actually and literally fought for it, where strikes went on for weeks and months, a virtual war of attrition.
We earned it, nothing was given.
And I'm going to use that day to ridicule TF out of these losers.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 142d
They're not just taking a long weekend, they're going on strike!
Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 142d
And buying twice as much on the 2nd of May.
pirate2377@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 142d
Kindly notify me once the revolution starts, and I'll participate. Otherwise, I'll just be throwing my life away for nothing in return by trying to start one myself. It would honestly do nothing but aid the fascists in their propaganda that leftists are violent and need to have their rights taken away. Therefore, I will only do that when there's nothing left of value in living, so at least I would go out in a bang.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 142d
you're a country of cowardly Uncle Tom's.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 142d
i devote an hour a day to that i got shit to do tho
Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 141d
Lmao that's too fucking real
We're wage slaves, we can only afford so much grief and self-hate or we end up homeless and addicted to something
wpb@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 142d
Death to America
Cooltag@lemmy.org · 10 pts · 142d
Luckily I am French
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 142d
Better, I'm from Spain
Cooltag@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 142d
Spain is also based.
bilouba@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 142d
Cocorico 🇫🇷💪
Cooltag@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 142d
I thought I was the only Frenchman lol.
bilouba@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 141d
there are dozens of us! Dozens!
Cooltag@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 141d
We're going to invade the forum !
menas@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 141d
Another bloody imperialist state
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 142d
I wake up every morning thanking the Universe I was born in Canada.
Cooltag@lemmy.org · -1 pts · 142d
Thankfully, Canada is there to raise the bar in North America.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · -2 pts · 142d
aren't you ashamed
robocall@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 142d
Yeah, USA will lose. We're going to kill a bunch of good people along the way. That sucks. Hopefully there's like a rock bottom and we don't nuke the whole world before we hit it.
grue@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 143d
MorningWood@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 142d
Correct and I do.
besmtt@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 142d
You're right and I do. 😞
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 141d
its real name is Turtle Island btw
folaht@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 141d
That would be for North America,
but I disagree considering where the name America likely came from,
not Albericus Vespucci, but from a Mayan mountainous region named Amerrisque,
"land where the wind blows constantly" and perhaps combined with the Spanish word "rica/rich",
because those mountains were rich with gold at that time.
And I think that name is more fitting than 'Turtle Island' to be honest.
North America has a lot of hurricanes and tornadoes.
And it's rich with resources.
South America needs a rename though.
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 141d
It is perhaps descriptive, but America is a name that comes from colonizers. We should honor indigenous peoples by using their name for the continent.
Regarding south america, I wouldnt know what to call it.
folaht@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 141d
Would the Mayans agree?
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 141d
Mayans lived in South America. Here Im speaking about [North America]/ Turtle Island.
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 140d
Hate to be the akshually guy for such an easy fact, but Maya lived and still live in North America
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 140d
Ah, my bad.
I dont know what mayans would think about that. What do you think they would think about that?
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 140d
No idea. I just want to note that the most widespread indigenous languages still in use in North America are Nahuatl and Mayan laguages so if indigneous people were to vote on it they would probably have a lot to say about it.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 141d
Yes! We should feel bad! Unfortunately, there are people who think what that asshat does is awesome. My mother, who I won't speak to because two of the ladies in her sons' lives are now at risk. Fuck these people. They are selfish and frightened and they externalize their fear.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 15 pts · 141d
It didn't start with "that asshat". He just showed that americans openly approve of being evil cunts.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 141d
Unfortunately are a lot that are happy to ignore it when the person/party in charge isn't as blatantly terrible
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 141d
Yeah, only if you ignore all the people fighting against it
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 141d
Dancing in frog costumes isn't fighting
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 140d
Don't twist it. My point was that there's people who actively dislike this regime and are doing something about it. It's too counter the idea that all Americans are for this regime. Your approval of how some people's tactics is irrelevant, it's still showing that the people aren't a monolith.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 141d
"That asshat?" You realize America is not a person right?
Vinapocalypse@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 141d
Vandalismo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 142d
Indeed
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 142d
If only the leadership felt anything or the people who supported them. Hopefully the non voters feel something...
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 143d
Keep kicking them while they're down!
frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 142d
I'm an account dedicated to anti-Americanism and I think this is the lamest, laziest meme I've seen in weeks.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 8 pts · 142d
oh I'm so sorry this shitpost didn't meet your exacting meme standards and requirement, sir
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 142d
I'm not even OP and I think they said nothing wrong.
Americans should genuinely feel bad about being American.
frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 142d
It's not funny, not original, awkwardly phrased.
It's as creative as posting "China is bad" (different camp, but equal level of creativity)
Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 143d
At least we can make fun of our head of state no matter who is in charge, other countries not so much.
fleinsopp@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 142d
We all hate you for your freedom. Truly.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 142d
Poor thing thinks it's a win when the regime allows means to vent and sublimate for exactly that reason.
low@lemmy.today · -7 pts · 142d
Hate all you want but US is still the most influential country of all time. We have issues, yeah. But they're also broadcast to the world because everyone with an internet connection watches every move we make.
But does your country actually rival us? In anything? (except life-saving treatment let's just ignore that one)
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 142d
"How can we be bad when we brutally dominate the world?"
low@lemmy.today · -7 pts · 142d
Trump is going overboard, I'll give you that. That's why he gets 3 more years and then bye-bye.
Even then though, "brutally dominate" is a stretch and a half. Like what exactly are we brutally dominating?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 141d
US imperialism didn't start with Trump, it's bipartisan. The US Empire functions by plundering the global south, solidifying this with its strong overseas millitary presence. Through financial monopoly in the US, industry is shipped overseas to superexploit for superprofits, and any attempts at organizing for better are frustrated by the US millitary.
For countries that don't toe the line, they are met with embargoes, sanctions, and terror bombings. Libya was destroyed despite being the most prosperous state in the region in its time, Venezuela had its president kidnapped, Cuba is being choked by an embargo, Iran is being terrorized, and many, many more examples.
The US Empire is the single greatest obstacle to human progress in the world.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 141d
Do they like, actually teach you people anything there?
low@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 141d
I mean... you said it, I figured you could fill me in.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 141d
Just hard to know where to start with someone who apparently has never been taught anything about the wider world.
m532@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 141d
The "rare vance" incident exists, so, no.