$400m White House Ballroom 'Essential' To Protect Donald Trump and First Family From Missile Attacks

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/trump-white-house-ballroom-security-controversy-1791339

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mercano@lemmy.world · 129 pts · 129d (6 replies)

There was already a bunker under the East Wing. If Trump chose to bulldoze it, that’s his own doing.

4am@lemmy.zip · 57 pts · 129d (4 replies)

Yeah sounds like this is the perfect time for a missile attack. God damn he’s stupid

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 128d (2 replies)

lets see if it can withstand a MT warhead.

fartographer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 128d (1 reply)

Why would you launch a warhead with nothing in it? Like, it's completely mt?

ThisSeriesIsFalse@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 128d

They launched it from Big MT.

ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 127d

Don’t shoot the enemy when they’re beating themselves.

WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 128d

Look, there's got to be a rational explanation for this. Have you considered the old East Wing bunker might have just been haunted as all fuck? Who knows what horrible atrocities past presidents committed down in that dungeon! Who knows how many hookers Nixon tortured to death down there. How many old captured Nazis did Eisenhower personally flay alive in that basement? How many girls did Clinton simply have disappeared down there? That placed was probably cursed long before Trump got there. The only way to get the bad juju out was to completely tear it down to bare soil. It's no good as a defense bunker if you get torn apart by ghosts when you try to seek shelter there!

homes@piefed.world · 77 pts · 129d

well, now, I've never been more against it

Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 129d (2 replies)

Bunkers don’t need ballrooms.

RagingRobot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 128d (1 reply)

Yeah build the bunker and put some grass on top

Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 128d

The difference between a bunker and an oubliette is what the people on the outside decide to do with the entrance/exit.

Just make sure there's some amontillado inside.

OwOarchist@pawb.social · 67 pts · 129d (9 replies)

As if we needed any further confirmation that the bunker beneath it was the actually important part of the project.

(Can we please ensure that the bunker is stocked with at least one Luger pistol? For tradition's sake.)

resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 128d (1 reply)

Does Donald have aspirations of finally becoming a painter as well?

Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 128d

Hopefully he is inspired to paint the wall of his bunker in bright red

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 129d (5 replies)

Give them a Nambo instead. They don't deserve the build quality of Luger.

GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 128d (3 replies)

Slow acting but irreversible poison.

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 128d (1 reply)

Nah I want the thing to blow up in their hand. I'm more of a maim until they wish for death kinda guy. Then you can ensure they eat through a tube for years to come.

GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d

I like your style.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 127d

Ventilation, with an accessible shutoff. You know, for the safety of linesmen

andxz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d

The Nambu has a notoriously weak cartridge. With a skull like his he'd be liable to botch it badly and probably wake up with a full diaper and a headache.

Not sure if that'd be better or worse than the alternative really.

Also contrary to popular belief they're generally really well made unless it's an extremely late one. 8x22 is just really really weak.

mememuseum@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 128d

Hitler shot himself with a Walther PPK

floofloof@lemmy.ca · 42 pts · 129d

Sounds like quite the waste of money then.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 128d

"I can't be expected to live in this glass house. Not after all these rocks I've been throwing."

finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 128d (3 replies)

Imagine being the poor bastards stuck in there with him. The smell alone ... !

CatZoomies@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 128d
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Iusedtobeanalien@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 127d

Where air goes in so can poisonous gases, so you may be able to hide but any enemy could still Moscow Theatre siege your ass

WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d

We'll have to demolish the rest of the White House just to get the stench out.

phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 128d

It won't even be started before Trump pops his clogs.

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 127d

Fuck that. President starts a war that results in missiles falling on DC he can go down with the ship.

LodeMike@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 129d (6 replies)

As if there aren't dozens of steps before another country strikes upon the U.S.

OwOarchist@pawb.social · 20 pts · 129d (5 replies)

He's not worried about another country. He's worried about a well-earned military coup.

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 129d

Or civil war and/or federal dissolutionment, if those happened it's almost garunteed federal control of DC would fall almost immediately. He would need a bunker to hide in for possibly weeks in such a case. Assuming he isn't killed immediately.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d (2 replies)

So the bunker is deeper than that Iranian nuclear facility?

some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 128d (1 reply)

If we're doing conspiracy theories maybe that's why he's using up all the good missiles

BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d

Is he using up all the concrete too? More than one way to make a bunker someone's final resting place.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 128d

hes probably worried when the magat zombies finally turn on him,.

Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 128d (6 replies)

Will this $600m ballroom be finished before the end of president?

FatVegan@leminal.space · 26 pts · 128d (4 replies)

The 1.6 billion ballroom will probably not be finished, but the money is somehow gone.

skozzii@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 128d (3 replies)

I dunno, 2.2 billion for a ballroom seems like a great deal.

partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 127d (2 replies)

Yeah, almost a steal at 3.6 billion. I can’t believe they got such a good deal. They’re practically saving trillions.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 127d

I’m sure the Trump family are comfortably provided for, somewhere in that $4.1B

ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 127d

You've got to spend a trillion to save a trillion, so they say.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 128d

No,the 800 million dollar facility won't be finished in time for that

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 127d (2 replies)

Add the cost of ripping it up to the cost of restoring the white house for the next admin. Start with restoring the rose garden and getting the vegas decorations out.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 127d (1 reply)

Take it out of his fortune. Triple damages.

And that's just for starters. He's going to pay to rebuild Iran out of his own pocket.

MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 127d

And compensate the Epstein victims and/or their families (whichever applies).

Although he can share the bill with other Epstein collaborators and clients on that one. Nationalise their entire estate - or whatever similar procedure would make sense here.

MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 127d (1 reply)

I'd argue that Trump being hit by a missile attack would IMPROVE the USA national security.

FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 127d

Anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe size agrees

tal@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 129d

Others are more sanguine. Paul Eckloff, a former Secret Service agent who served on Trump's detail and previously on Barack Obama's, argued that what has emerged in court so far does not amount to a 'genuine security breach,' saying operationally sensitive information remains classified.

He was more worried about the practical effect of having a giant dig site inside a secure perimeter. An open pit next to the Executive Residence, he said, inevitably alters the calculus for agents tasked with keeping intruders out and the president alive. 'The longer this is an active construction site, the more concerning it is from a general security posture,' Eckloff said.

I don't think it matters much from a national security standpoint, specifically because of this:

Judge Leon has not hidden his scepticism. At an earlier hearing, he dismissed the idea that Trump's safety required the ballroom to go ahead, describing the 'large hole' next to the White House as a 'problem of the President's own making.'

We don't protect the President because the President is some sort of exceptional, irreplaceable figure. The President is just some guy. If Trump gets shot, then Vance gets dropped into the slot and things keep on trucking. Hell, personally I think that the US would very probably be better-off with just about any other major politician at the wheel.

We protect the President because we don't want it to be viable to coerce the President via physical threat. We don't want a country to say "do X on Policy Y or maybe we kill you" and have that be something that can affect the President's policy-making.

In this case, Trump decided that he was going to go right ahead and create the security risk, so he's probably not especially concerned about it. If he wanted it to stop, which presumably he would if he were worried about being killed, he could stop it. Ergo, cocercion isn't a factor.

If Trump decides tomorrow that he wants to go wingsuit BASE jumping or something, I mean, okay, sure, whatever. The Secret Service can just sit around and munch popcorn and watch him face-plant into a hillside, as far as I'm concerned. The problem isn't the President dying, but him being affected by threats of him being killed.

That's also why we have lifetime Secret Service protection for the President after he leaves office. It's not like he's being President then, not like we'd lose whatever he's bringing to the table. But you don't want other parties to be able to threaten the guy in office with retribution after he leaves office.

KissyCat@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 127d

I am seriously not the least bit concerned.

ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 128d (1 reply)

Maybe be the kind of person who doesn't fear people shooting missiles at them.

krashmo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 128d

If I had access to a missile I would have fired it at him long ago

SupraMario@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 128d (3 replies)

Build it, let him tour it, then lock it...and toss away the key

gramie@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 128d (2 replies)

Donald...I have a cask of very special wine I'd like you to try. It's an Amontillado. Do come down into the bunker and have a taste.

WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d

Aww, come on. Amontillado is fine, I love the classic approach. But it's just not appropriate for Trump. If you want to write Trump to have a poetic end, he needs to go out like Manius Aquillius. Maybe in a modern version, Trump in a bone-headed move decides to personally go to Tehran to pound his fist on the table and make his silly demands. The Iranians ultimately end up executing him by pouring molten gold down his throat to punish him for his greed.

tacoplease@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d

No, no, no. You have to tell him that your cask of Amontillado is far inferior to his cask of Amontillado and you want him to taste it so that he can tell you how great his cask is.

mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 127d (1 reply)

you guys are trying to protect them?

Maeve@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 127d

He's trying to protect himself, family and staff optional.

NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 128d

Maybe if you were decent person you could have not caused people to want to lob missiles at you.

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 128d (1 reply)

Will it protect him from the Hauge?

tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 127d

They have no power over here.

tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 127d (2 replies)

Leave it a fucking hole in the ground.

_stranger_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 127d (1 reply)

He should move into the hole.

tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 127d

I’d rather he get a burial at sea.

Wilco@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 127d (1 reply)

Nah, Im not worried about missiles at all. Do it ... I dare you.

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d

You show the world how tough you are Donald. You're too manly to hide behind armor.

Redvenom@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 127d (1 reply)

The other option was for Him to stop being a douche but that is not possible

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 127d

Genetically impossible to do.

nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 127d

The Trump-Epstein Scrotum of Terra-Interred Security, or TESTIS.

Brummbaer@pawb.social · 3 pts · 128d

Reminds me of that Brecht quote.

Some party hack decreed that the people
had lost the government's confidence
and could only regain it with redoubled effort.
If that is the case, would it not be be simpler,
If the government simply dissolved the people
And elected another?

Bertolt Brecht

humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 127d

We could have a referendum on how important it is to taxpayers to protect Trump from missiles. Maybe a simultaneous one for shooting one at him.

partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d (1 reply)

Not that I give trump credit for any kind of forward thinking, but could this plan been made by someone smarter than him to bulldoze the current bunker so that he could claim that taxpayers need to build a bunker at MaraLago?

Dragomus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 128d

Oh I have no doubt he's had a mar-a-lago bunker complex on his wishlist for a while now, useful for sorting stolen documents to make a buck off ... perhaps when 2028 looms closer and he is certain of an incoming win suddenly construction will begin at mar-a-lago ...

Ofcourse his trusted adage goes: "it's all paid for by private billionaire money, so it is mine to do with as I please, mine! My toys!"

dan1101@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d (1 reply)

I think the hamburgers are more likely to end him than missiles.

FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d

A lot of us are hoping so.

Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 128d (4 replies)

It’s kind of difficult to tell what is really going on with the ballroom. It could very well be that the government has planned an upgrade for years and Trumps ball room is the perfect cover, so he may or may not be “playing along”.

scutiger@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 128d

If that were the case, they wouldn't have just gone ahead and started bulldozing willy nilly. They could have at least said it was for security reinforcements on the White House "and we may as well build a ballroom at the same time."

I'm sure it was the opposite. Trump wanted a ballroom, and they figured while the White House is half blown up, they may as well build a bunker.

AA5B@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 127d

While it’s tempting to believe there has to be a plan, a strategy, someone must have thought this out, history of this administration proves otherwise. Over and over

WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d (1 reply)

That is a possibility. Maybe it was something they had wanted to do, but it was a project mired in red tape and complexity? Like maybe they had planned to try to do it without demolishing the East Wing, trying to do it in place? Then Trump's like "fuck it, we'll do it live" and just orders the whole thing demolished to make it cheaper? IDK.

Jhex@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 128d

seeing these naive theories that scream "all I know came from TV", explains why we are now in the stupidest timeline

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d (1 reply)

Includes an EMP proof bar and a leaded shielded VIP room.

Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 127d

I think they ate the lead.

BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d

Maybe we could reshape the ballroom to look like a bone spur?

green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 128d (1 reply)

lmao horeshit

FatVegan@leminal.space · 2 pts · 128d

It would be a nice room to kill himself tbh

modus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d (1 reply)

Isn't that what Raven Rock is for?

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 128d

John Henry Eden's already claimed it.

heartpunk25@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d

Well how else will he wine and dine the new Iranian leaders?

Witchfire@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 128d
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