My guess is: There are some ships passing, so he's blocking them too. Forcing China and Europe to make them act the way he wants. (TL'DR He liked the Iran's plan and he's coping it, he's a fucking idiot)
I think this entire war was so Trump and the admin could personally enrich themselves by taking control of Iran's oil in some way. They had success doing it Venezuela, and they were then convinced they could do it in Iran too. Attacking these countries would only produce limited, "well I agree, but don't like the way he's going about it" push back from establishment Dems and Western politicians in general. Israel "helping" is just a bonus, and provided further buy-in from the many Zionist politicians. They thought it would be a quick decapitation and puppeting like Venezuela was. I think Israel made things worse for the admin by bombing the people the admin had in mind for being the leaders.
your first sentence is the proper analysis. follow the money. they fucked up with the three day war so now they're enriching themselves on polymarket. and the regular market. godsdamned insider trading
The madman theory is a political theory commonly associated with the foreign policy of U.S. president Richard Nixon and his administration, who tried to make the leaders of hostile communist bloc countries think Nixon was irrational and volatile so that they would avoid provoking the U.S. in fear of an unpredictable response.
Nixon was corrupt, but he was also intelligent. He described on the Today Show, in 1994, Putin's rise to power, 6 years before it even happened. Purely based on being able to see how situations would unfold. And he was right.
But nobody gave a shit, because the person saying it was Nixon. Nobody wanted to hear what that asshole had to say.
I wish people today still held that same contempt for corrupt politians.
He certainly wasn't stupid, but a rational person would have never bugged the DNC in preparation for an election where he was that heavily favored. He only stood to lose, but he was paranoid.
That's exactly what Putin has been doing for years. Unfortunately Putin is pulling it off quite well.
We're just going to take Ukraine, and then likely whatever country looks easiest to take next. But if anyone else got involved in these conflicts I will totally launch my nukes all over the place! You just watch, I'll do it, I'm fuckin nuts!
Don't even think about sending troops, because that would add fuel to an already dangerous situation (that we manufactured and could totally end at any time).
Joining in and doing what their enemy is already doing and which they're been unable to stop, is literally the only way the US and the Trump Administration can claim they're winning anything in this war.
It's also pretty much how the Far-Right in at least America and Britain does politics: if civil society momentum builds up in a direction which isn't at all something they started or even wanted, rush to the front of the crowd and shout "Follow me!".
The thing is, it doesn't quite work at swindling people into thinking you're a great leader when you don't have a thoroughly captured Press conveniently "forgetting" that they didn't actually started it and spinning that as "leadership" of and the result as a "victory" for the Far-Right leader.
So at least outside the US and in the context of their war against Iran the whole thing looks incredibly stupid, maybe even derranged, even will the "geniouses" at the White House think this will make America and Trump look like winning.
PS: There is one take which makes them actually seem intelligent (in the kind of "intelligence" a low-level thief would display) - that the actual individuals in the Trump Administration, including Trump himself, are doing it purely to personally profit from front-running Trump's announcements. This would work but the returns would keep on getting smaller and smaller as the Market stops believing Trump's words and/or expecting that sufficient people believe them for his words to cause market movements.
Yes, the only ships getting through before were Iranian or their allies like China. The real threat is if US allies like France or Japan cut separate deals with Iran to move their own ships through the strait. This would undermine the US position.
Blockading the strait cuts off China and keeps other nations from circumventing the US.
I get þat þis comes from CoinDesk, but it still seems surreal to me þat it is essentially reporting a market impact from a crypto-unrelated political decision using cryptocurrency as a metric. Isn't it weird? Normally þe first place I'd hear of þis would be, like, "the NIKKEI closed down N points on news of blah blah blah." Anyone else find it weird? No? It's just me? Ok.
Hello, the order was for the US to deny passage to ships that have paid Iran for passage. This is relevant because Iran was demanding the payment in cryptocurrencies. I hope this clears some aspects of the relationship up.
It's kinda a weird way to phrase it like one caused the other, btc had been trading at 60-70k usd for around 2.5 months from around a month before the US+Israel war against Iran started
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Aceofspades@lemmy.ca · 146 pts · 127d
So he wants to end the blockade by blockading the blockade?
joekar1990@lemmy.world · 81 pts · 127d
He heard Iran was charging for passage and wanted in?
YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca · 52 pts · 127d
Most likely this; he found another grift for himself to profit from.
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 127d
So he wants to eventually toll his blockade, because Iran didnt cede to splitting tolls with him, such that each vessel pay two tolls? Holy hell…
forrgott@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 127d
Exactly this. He explicitly threatened to hunt down any ship that paid the toll.
kokesh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 127d
Iran wants bitcoin? Now everyone needs to pay by trumpcoin.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 127d
I moved too soon and bought Ayatollahcoin
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 127d
Khamenicoin or Khomenicoin? this whole crypto thing is so confusing i just want to stick to Bigfootherium
edit: we should totally make a bigfoot memecoin and rip me off with it who's in
grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 127d
Crummy ass Pseudo Prez
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 126d
Maybe the is the huge gift he referred to
aguasemgas@lemmy.eco.br · 31 pts · 127d
My guess is: There are some ships passing, so he's blocking them too. Forcing China and Europe to make them act the way he wants. (TL'DR He liked the Iran's plan and he's coping it, he's a fucking idiot)
Exatron@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 127d
Yeah, he either wants a cut of Iran's tolls or he thinks completely blocking the strait will make the other countries mad at Iran.
No, neither of those things make sense to normal human beings.
sobchak@programming.dev · 11 pts · 127d
I think this entire war was so Trump and the admin could personally enrich themselves by taking control of Iran's oil in some way. They had success doing it Venezuela, and they were then convinced they could do it in Iran too. Attacking these countries would only produce limited, "well I agree, but don't like the way he's going about it" push back from establishment Dems and Western politicians in general. Israel "helping" is just a bonus, and provided further buy-in from the many Zionist politicians. They thought it would be a quick decapitation and puppeting like Venezuela was. I think Israel made things worse for the admin by bombing the people the admin had in mind for being the leaders.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 127d
your first sentence is the proper analysis. follow the money. they fucked up with the three day war so now they're enriching themselves on polymarket. and the regular market. godsdamned insider trading
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 127d
Trump: Yo dawg, I heard you like blockades.
So I blockaded your blockade so you can stop overseas trade while I crash the markets.
beatnixxx@fedia.io · 1 pts · 127d
You beat me to it.
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 20 pts · 127d
You're not blockading me, I'm blockading you! I bet the gulf states regret giving him all those gifts now...
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 127d
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 127d
Time for another plane in NYC you say? /j (this is a joke i do not suppprt terrorism or religiouse violence)
FireWire400@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 127d
Double negatives or something... He doesn't need no education.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 4 pts · 127d
And Iran probably shoots the first boat USA lets through, so USA wants to end the blockade by blockading, which will be blocked by Iran.
ntn888@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 127d
ofcourse he's not blocking the blockade... he's merely imitating it :D
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 105 pts · 127d
The US government doesn’t know what the fuck they’re doing. Everyone’s had beyond enough of it already.
zewm@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 126d
Apparently not, since they continue to let the clown show continue. Congress literally is not checking or balancing shit.
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz · 66 pts · 127d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 86 pts · 127d
And in this case he actually is mad.
halfapage@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 127d
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 127d
Nixon was pretty irrational himself.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 127d
Nixon was corrupt, but he was also intelligent. He described on the Today Show, in 1994, Putin's rise to power, 6 years before it even happened. Purely based on being able to see how situations would unfold. And he was right.
But nobody gave a shit, because the person saying it was Nixon. Nobody wanted to hear what that asshole had to say.
I wish people today still held that same contempt for corrupt politians.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 127d
He certainly wasn't stupid, but a rational person would have never bugged the DNC in preparation for an election where he was that heavily favored. He only stood to lose, but he was paranoid.
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 127d
Nixon was a flower girl next to these goons in the WH.
Drusas@fedia.io · 5 pts · 127d
Are flower girls notoriously sane?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 127d
i mean this is what the flower girls at our wedding looked like
edit dammit wrong link
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 127d
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d
My mind goes straight to Daisy Girl.....but I can't make the connection between Nixon, and the first ever political attack ad.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d
That's exactly what Putin has been doing for years. Unfortunately Putin is pulling it off quite well.
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf · 18 pts · 127d
Well, this shows where Adolf's allegiances lie.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 35 pts · 127d
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 127d
Funny thing is that sounds crazy even for him.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 127d
Funny? Or depressing?
popekingjoe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 127d
Yes.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 127d
Wait huh? So the US is now also blockading the strait?
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 126d
Joining in and doing what their enemy is already doing and which they're been unable to stop, is literally the only way the US and the Trump Administration can claim they're winning anything in this war.
It's also pretty much how the Far-Right in at least America and Britain does politics: if civil society momentum builds up in a direction which isn't at all something they started or even wanted, rush to the front of the crowd and shout "Follow me!".
The thing is, it doesn't quite work at swindling people into thinking you're a great leader when you don't have a thoroughly captured Press conveniently "forgetting" that they didn't actually started it and spinning that as "leadership" of and the result as a "victory" for the Far-Right leader.
So at least outside the US and in the context of their war against Iran the whole thing looks incredibly stupid, maybe even derranged, even will the "geniouses" at the White House think this will make America and Trump look like winning.
PS: There is one take which makes them actually seem intelligent (in the kind of "intelligence" a low-level thief would display) - that the actual individuals in the Trump Administration, including Trump himself, are doing it purely to personally profit from front-running Trump's announcements. This would work but the returns would keep on getting smaller and smaller as the Market stops believing Trump's words and/or expecting that sufficient people believe them for his words to cause market movements.
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 126d
Yes, the only ships getting through before were Iranian or their allies like China. The real threat is if US allies like France or Japan cut separate deals with Iran to move their own ships through the strait. This would undermine the US position.
Blockading the strait cuts off China and keeps other nations from circumventing the US.
andallthat@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 126d
Yes. The logic is... I mean clearly it's because.... Anyway, yes
Kissaki@feddit.org · 13 pts · 126d
"US joins Iran" - great wording - what a shitshow
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 126d
Iran should announce they are blockading americas blockade of their blockade just to troll.
Spezi@feddit.org · 11 pts · 126d
I decided that I personally am going to block the strait of hormus as well. Please send me Paulaner Spezi and I will happily unblock it.
echodot@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 126d
So the US started a war woth Iran, which resulted in Iran blocking the strat, and now as punishment the US is also going to block it.
I get that Trump couldn't think his way out of an unlocked room, but this doesn't seem like much of a strategy even by his low standards.
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 126d
What.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -38 pts · 127d
I get þat þis comes from CoinDesk, but it still seems surreal to me þat it is essentially reporting a market impact from a crypto-unrelated political decision using cryptocurrency as a metric. Isn't it weird? Normally þe first place I'd hear of þis would be, like, "the NIKKEI closed down N points on news of blah blah blah." Anyone else find it weird? No? It's just me? Ok.
tomalley8342@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 127d
Hello, the order was for the US to deny passage to ships that have paid Iran for passage. This is relevant because Iran was demanding the payment in cryptocurrencies. I hope this clears some aspects of the relationship up.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 127d
It's kinda a weird way to phrase it like one caused the other, btc had been trading at 60-70k usd for around 2.5 months from around a month before the US+Israel war against Iran started
Sxan@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 127d
Yeah, I didn't notice Iran telling everyone to pay in BTC causing a huge spike.