I like quiet and awkward people. It's like little rays of sunshine when they temporarily come out of their shell, because they're usually super interesting people.
As in "her car" or "her apple". It's not a TRUE adjective, so some modern textbooks call them determiners instead, but functionally this class of possessives is closer to adjectives than nouns.
They're sometimes called that, but they're not actually nouns either. You can't use them as nouns. So calling them pronouns is a bit of a misnomer and most modern textbooks don't call them that for that reason, especially in EFL. They're their own special class of word, but they follow more adjective rules than noun rules, so you'll see them called all kinds of things. Possessive pronouns, possessive adjectives, possessive determiners... But all of those names for them have problems. Possessive pronouns is also problematic because they get confused with the ACTUAL pronoun set, which is mine, yours, his, hers, ours, and theirs, which DO function as nouns.
They're their own special class of word, but they follow more adjective rules than noun rules, so you'll see them called all kinds of things
Does that make the present participle (progressive) forms of verbs like "writing" adjectives too, because they're used like adjectives rather than like verbs ("I am tired", "I am writing", not "I writing")? Does it make gerunds (unfortunately identical with present participles in English) nouns because they're used like nouns ("I like cats", "I like writing")?
They're each their own class of word, neither strictly verb (despite being verb forms) nor adjective / noun (despite being used similarly) and I think we should treat them as such.
I learned them in line with the declension of pronouns as analogues of nouns (which is generally less significant in English): I, my, me; you, your, you; he, his, him; she, her, her; it, its, it and so on. In some languages they have adjective-like declensions, but I think calling them adjectives is imprecise, because they're more than that: They generally don't make much sense without something they're substituted for.
For first and second person, that isn't immediately obvious, but for third person, you can probably see what I mean: "Her car is rusty. Its tires are flat."
We can infer that "Its" refers to the car, but "Her" doesn't tell us anything useful if we don't know who that "She" is. That is a trait of pronouns: They're substituted pro nomine.
I can say "tired cat" and it is a semantically complete. "Her car" isn't.
Hence: I concede that they're not purely pronouns, but rather pronouns with characteristics of adjectives. Their semantic intention is still to reference some other noun in the context, so I don't think it's fair to call them adjectives either.
I won't claim that "my/his/her..." are purely adjectives, but I will make the claim that they're as much adjectives as they are anything else.
Fair, but in that case, when the context is fairly clearly about adjectives as opposed to pronouns, saying "Well, actually..." is just pedantic nerdery...
36 Comments
CombatWombat@feddit.online · 68 pts · 126d
WAT R UR DEMONSTRATIVES?
MINE ARE THESE/THOSE
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 9 pts · 126d
Mea sunt ille/illa/illud
Cptmurph616@lemmy.ca · 55 pts · 126d
THOUGHT, “THIS SOUNDS LIKE SKWEEZY JIBBS” THEN SAW THE WATERMARK
VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 126d
toomanypancakes@piefed.world · 40 pts · 126d
I'm pretty sure mine are quiet and awkward
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 126d
I like quiet and awkward people. It's like little rays of sunshine when they temporarily come out of their shell, because they're usually super interesting people.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 126d
real
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 126d
Fuck all that I want to know what your onomatopoeia are
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 44 pts · 126d
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 126d
Ope
dwemthy@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 126d
Cantankerous yet whimsical
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 126d
Lazy and easily-distrac
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 126d
Lonely and depressing 😭
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 126d
"depressing or depressed?"
"Yes"
Glytchrider@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 125d
Weird but harmless
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 126d
Introspective and neurotic.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 126d
Various / Hollow / #6693F5. (If a color is an adjective can a hex code be used as an adjective?)
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 126d
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 126d
Abrasive and loud.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 7 pts · 126d
Excuse me? That’s clearly an imposter trying to play me. Edit: jk mine are AD and HD.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 126d
Belligerent and numerous.
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 125d
I don't actually know. Now I need to ask my friends what my adjectives are 🤔
inconel@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 126d
sour and bitter
voidsignal@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 126d
Unforgiving, unforgetful and expectable
tetris11@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 126d
sleepy and driven
mech@feddit.org · 5 pts · 126d
drunk and i forgor the othewone
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d
"her" works for both!
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 4 pts · 126d
How so? "her" isn't an adjective
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 126d
It is as a possessive adjective.
As in "her car" or "her apple". It's not a TRUE adjective, so some modern textbooks call them determiners instead, but functionally this class of possessives is closer to adjectives than nouns.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 8 pts · 126d
You mean possessive pronouns? Because those aren't adjectives. They're a stand-in for a name: "Jane's car" - "her car"
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d
They're sometimes called that, but they're not actually nouns either. You can't use them as nouns. So calling them pronouns is a bit of a misnomer and most modern textbooks don't call them that for that reason, especially in EFL. They're their own special class of word, but they follow more adjective rules than noun rules, so you'll see them called all kinds of things. Possessive pronouns, possessive adjectives, possessive determiners... But all of those names for them have problems. Possessive pronouns is also problematic because they get confused with the ACTUAL pronoun set, which is mine, yours, his, hers, ours, and theirs, which DO function as nouns.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 3 pts · 126d
Does that make the present participle (progressive) forms of verbs like "writing" adjectives too, because they're used like adjectives rather than like verbs ("I am tired", "I am writing", not "I writing")? Does it make gerunds (unfortunately identical with present participles in English) nouns because they're used like nouns ("I like cats", "I like writing")?
They're each their own class of word, neither strictly verb (despite being verb forms) nor adjective / noun (despite being used similarly) and I think we should treat them as such.
I learned them in line with the declension of pronouns as analogues of nouns (which is generally less significant in English): I, my, me; you, your, you; he, his, him; she, her, her; it, its, it and so on. In some languages they have adjective-like declensions, but I think calling them adjectives is imprecise, because they're more than that: They generally don't make much sense without something they're substituted for.
For first and second person, that isn't immediately obvious, but for third person, you can probably see what I mean: "Her car is rusty. Its tires are flat."
We can infer that "Its" refers to the car, but "Her" doesn't tell us anything useful if we don't know who that "She" is. That is a trait of pronouns: They're substituted pro nomine.
I can say "tired cat" and it is a semantically complete. "Her car" isn't.
Hence: I concede that they're not purely pronouns, but rather pronouns with characteristics of adjectives. Their semantic intention is still to reference some other noun in the context, so I don't think it's fair to call them adjectives either.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d
Ooh... verbals are another fun one.
Basically, yes. A gerund IS a noun. A participle is an adjective when used as such. An infinitive is... whatever it feels like being.
But anyway, to get to the point...
I won't claim that "my/his/her..." are purely adjectives, but I will make the claim that they're as much adjectives as they are anything else.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 1 pts · 126d
Fair, but in that case, when the context is fairly clearly about adjectives as opposed to pronouns, saying "Well, actually..." is just pedantic nerdery...
And I'm so here for it.
Patrikvo@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 126d
It can be: "My day was very hertic" "That's a very her tree".
No idea what it would mean. I suppose it would depend entirely on how your feel about women in general.
shiv@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 125d
Enkrod@feddit.org · 3 pts · 126d
Loyal, friendly, tired and sad.