IME the term “feminazi” never meant “female Nazi”, but was meant to insult feminists who stood up and strongly defended feminism, sometimes even going to extraordinary lengths to do so… a term often used by those who disagreed with them.
Nazis, who were female were always just called “Nazis“.
Yes. It fell out of use because when the chuds hearing the term online started trying to use it in real life they got a reality check. Its not so much a dog whistle someone's a mysogynist so much as a shouted confession.
Not because Nazis are more prominent now or something.
I was thinking moroso female nazis that hide behind feminism, such as transphobes pushing harmful legislation under the guise of "protecting women and girls"
So the "femi" part refers to feminist nazi, not necessarily just female nazi
There also were fascist „feminists“ right back to Suffrage. Many white women at the time explicitly campaigned to not make Suffrage universal to Black and indigenous peoples. 3rd wave feminism was in reaction to the continued shortcomings of the 2nd wave who came after Suffragettes - TERFs in fact are a resurgence of the worst of 2nd wave dogma around gender.
Ah, maybe I'm just trans, but I assumed OP was specifically talking about TERFs (who often end up hanging out with Nazis eventually), not the general concept of women being fascists
Pretty sure "feminazi" was used to describe women who dyed their hair and went on to talk shows to blame men for all their personal issues, and literally verbally said men should be treated like second class citizens and only exist to provide for women.
It's been a while so maybe people have forgotten how first-wave and second-wave feminists were disgusted at third-wave feminists.
Edit: Now that I think about it, weren't some of these women also TERFs?
Pretty sure “feminazi” was used to describe women who dyed their hair and went on to talk shows to blame men for all their personal issues, and literally verbally said men should be treated like second class citizens and only exist to provide for women.
It’s been a while so maybe people have forgotten how first-wave and second-wave feminists were disgusted at third-wave feminists.
i think what you mean, which other comments may have misunderstood (or im wrong and other comments are closer to op's true meaning), is a usage of this term similar to terf, like misappropriating feminist ideals for a Nazi-like agenda.
kinda fun, could totally be misconstrued as misogynistic though.
i completely agree, im sorry if my comment made it seem like i have the same sentiment, was just hoping to explain what i read that others may have missed.
That was back when Nazi was a slur for (often authoritarian, or just loud) people you didn’t like, see Soup Nazi on Seinfeld.
It’s also why Godwins Law was written.
Now that actual Nazis are back in power, we need to reserve the term or risk dilution, also Godwins Law isn’t relevant when there are real Nazis involved.
I always thought it was kind of a terrible term even in my early days on the internet, but TERFs would indeed fall under this nowadays. But alas, the only people who used it were angry anti-feminists, so I think it's never going to come back again.
It's more like they evolved. Conservative opposition to feminism has become institutionally entrenched, so there's not really a need for the ecological niche of "White Guy who Makes Cringe Reaction Videos to CRAAAAZY Feminists" anymore
Nah, I don't think they did. The thing is that nowadays anyone who claims to be an anti-feminist gets instantly clocked as a misogynistic incel, so they hide behind the "protecting women" idea now.
Wait are you implying some of the first particles to exit the big bang were nazi's?
It's room for discussion of whether non human animals could exhibit fassist characteristics. But time started over 13 billion years ago, and the earliest life that we know of can be estimated to be under 4 billion years ago. No matter how you slice it, even if another planet that we don't know of, formed as fast as possible, and evolution took a beeline to the first viable species capable of having nazi ideology. there has to have been at least a billion years of no nazis.
people used to use word "feminazi" as a short for "feminist nazi" but, ha ha, there were no actual feminist nazis back then but now there are?
if so, is it either:
people used a short form of a phrase that referred to something that did not exist (an extraordinary assumption which i find hard to believe)
people used it for real Eva Braun-loving (?) chicks that were real nazi's and real feminitsst .. and now there is another group of people that we need this term for?
that's blindingly insightful and infuriatingly incoherent: the purest form shower thought, indeed 🙃
Always thought it wasn't for feminist that were nazi but just crasy feminist that claim stupid shit on part with nazism, which they are still a lot today
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homes@piefed.world · 127 pts · 148d
IME the term “feminazi” never meant “female Nazi”, but was meant to insult feminists who stood up and strongly defended feminism, sometimes even going to extraordinary lengths to do so… a term often used by those who disagreed with them.
Nazis, who were female were always just called “Nazis“.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 148d
Yes. It fell out of use because when the chuds hearing the term online started trying to use it in real life they got a reality check. Its not so much a dog whistle someone's a mysogynist so much as a shouted confession.
Not because Nazis are more prominent now or something.
NostraDavid@programming.dev · -1 pts · 146d
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 23 pts · 148d
This. Plus we don’t need to attack Nazis further because they’re women. The delineation is pointless.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 1 pts · 147d
I was thinking moroso female nazis that hide behind feminism, such as transphobes pushing harmful legislation under the guise of "protecting women and girls"
So the "femi" part refers to feminist nazi, not necessarily just female nazi
nightlily@leminal.space · 4 pts · 147d
There also were fascist „feminists“ right back to Suffrage. Many white women at the time explicitly campaigned to not make Suffrage universal to Black and indigenous peoples. 3rd wave feminism was in reaction to the continued shortcomings of the 2nd wave who came after Suffragettes - TERFs in fact are a resurgence of the worst of 2nd wave dogma around gender.
NostraDavid@programming.dev · 0 pts · 146d
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 147d
Ah, maybe I'm just trans, but I assumed OP was specifically talking about TERFs (who often end up hanging out with Nazis eventually), not the general concept of women being fascists
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 147d
Pretty sure "feminazi" was used to describe women who dyed their hair and went on to talk shows to blame men for all their personal issues, and literally verbally said men should be treated like second class citizens and only exist to provide for women.
It's been a while so maybe people have forgotten how first-wave and second-wave feminists were disgusted at third-wave feminists.
Edit: Now that I think about it, weren't some of these women also TERFs?
homes@piefed.world · -1 pts · 147d
for the record, and RIP.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 147d
It's like russians using "ukronazi" to push the narrative of "liberating" the ethnic minorities in Ukraine.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 146d
Wow, that is some next level dumb propaganda they come up with in Russia. I guess whatever works.
NostraDavid@programming.dev · -1 pts · 146d
db2@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 148d
It fell out of use because that pill popping piece of dog shit Rush Limbaugh finally died.
HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social · 19 pts · 148d
Ahhhh ❤️ thank you. I needed that reminder today.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 147d
It's always a good day to remember Rush Limbaugh is dead ❤️ 🌈
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 3 pts · 147d
Amen lol
homes@piefed.world · 14 pts · 148d
prolly the first time I saw this meme:
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 24 pts · 147d
The wrong people were calling the wrong women that term for the wrong reasons and ruined it for everyone.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 148d
I mean, is the gender of the person really the focus? We already have a fantastic term for Nazis of all genders: Nazis.
Adding fem to the front just makes you sound like an incel.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 2 pts · 147d
It seems more encompassing than TERF. The fem part refers to "feminist", like in TERF, not female.
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 148d
i think what you mean, which other comments may have misunderstood (or im wrong and other comments are closer to op's true meaning), is a usage of this term similar to terf, like misappropriating feminist ideals for a Nazi-like agenda.
kinda fun, could totally be misconstrued as misogynistic though.
sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 148d
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 147d
i completely agree, im sorry if my comment made it seem like i have the same sentiment, was just hoping to explain what i read that others may have missed.
sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 147d
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 1 pts · 147d
Yeah. The point of my post is pointing out the irony of this. Hence the way it was written.
sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 147d
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 1 pts · 147d
Yeah you got it. TERFs are pretty much feminazis (feminist nazis) in the literal sense lol
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 147d
That was back when Nazi was a slur for (often authoritarian, or just loud) people you didn’t like, see Soup Nazi on Seinfeld.
It’s also why Godwins Law was written.
Now that actual Nazis are back in power, we need to reserve the term or risk dilution, also Godwins Law isn’t relevant when there are real Nazis involved.
NostraDavid@programming.dev · 0 pts · 146d
SalamenceFury@piefed.social · 8 pts · 148d
I always thought it was kind of a terrible term even in my early days on the internet, but TERFs would indeed fall under this nowadays. But alas, the only people who used it were angry anti-feminists, so I think it's never going to come back again.
sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 148d
theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 148d
They didn't, they just don't think Nazis are bad anymore
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 4 pts · 147d
Oof, the reality of this statement caught me offguard.
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 147d
It's more like they evolved. Conservative opposition to feminism has become institutionally entrenched, so there's not really a need for the ecological niche of "White Guy who Makes Cringe Reaction Videos to CRAAAAZY Feminists" anymore
SalamenceFury@piefed.social · -1 pts · 148d
Nah, I don't think they did. The thing is that nowadays anyone who claims to be an anti-feminist gets instantly clocked as a misogynistic incel, so they hide behind the "protecting women" idea now.
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 146d
TERFs is a more accurate description anyway.
Except in the case of Joanne Rowling. She's spouting off actual Nazi sympathies and is an avid holocaust denier.
Always use her legal name, not her preferred name.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 145d
Just call terfs what they are: transphobes. They're not feminist.
JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org · 4 pts · 148d
There never was a time where there were no female Nazis around.
TheFogan@programming.dev · 1 pts · 148d
Wait are you implying some of the first particles to exit the big bang were nazi's?
It's room for discussion of whether non human animals could exhibit fassist characteristics. But time started over 13 billion years ago, and the earliest life that we know of can be estimated to be under 4 billion years ago. No matter how you slice it, even if another planet that we don't know of, formed as fast as possible, and evolution took a beeline to the first viable species capable of having nazi ideology. there has to have been at least a billion years of no nazis.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 1 pts · 147d
Not female, feminist. I'm honestly surprised how many people are unfamiliar with this term lol
Maybe Lemmy has a younger demographic than I had assumed.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 147d
There never was a time when feminazis didn't exist. The amount of them might have changed over the years. But there have always been.
EDIT: I meant feminist in the sense of "people that call themselves feminist but just want to kill all men or similar".
krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 147d
Because these "feminazis" have an actual more widely used terms for people who encounter them, it's called misandrist
DomeGuy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 146d
Weirdly, the women-first men-are-dangerous "feminists" seem to prefer "feminazi" over "misandrist".
(Because we rarely encounter "radfems" arguing that facism doesn't exist.)
netvor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 147d
are you saying:
people used to use word "feminazi" as a short for "feminist nazi" but, ha ha, there were no actual feminist nazis back then but now there are?
if so, is it either:
that's blindingly insightful and infuriatingly incoherent: the purest form shower thought, indeed 🙃
Doomsider@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 146d
Modern feminism is not compatible with Nazism. This is because Nazi ideology has baked in discrimination.
You are right that it did coexist in the past.
I think the term's roots are misogynistic and the meaning is a militant feminist. So no actual Nazi ideology.
netvor@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 147d
NostraDavid@programming.dev · 0 pts · 146d
bigmamoth@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 147d
Always thought it wasn't for feminist that were nazi but just crasy feminist that claim stupid shit on part with nazism, which they are still a lot today