Sam Altman's 'human verification' company thinks its eye-scanning orbs could solve ticket scalping
https://www.engadget.com/ai/sam-altmans-human-verification-company-thinks-its-eye-scanning-orbs-could-solve-ticket-scalping-171500555.html
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WatDabney@sopuli.xyz · 145 pts · 126d
Weird how so many techbro ideas boil down to registering your identification with the tech oligarchs...
pdxfed@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 125d
I can't think of anyone I would rather give unalterable biometric information to than a group of egomaniacal sadists who have shown utter disregard for the privacy of everyone as well as the legal code.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 125d
happening at the same time as age verification many tech, and websites.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 110 pts · 126d
Scalping Sam Altman would surely sell some tickets.
wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 124d
I'd buy a ticket to that.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 124d
Already sold out sadly, but I've got a couple I could sell you for the right price.
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev · 76 pts · 125d
I don't trust a single thing that the world's most successful snake oil salesman of all time says.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 125d
I'm not sure I'd give him the #1 position. Definitely up there, but not quite at the top. Or maybe several megagrifters should share the throne.
pleb_maximus@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 125d
Battle Royale of the megagrifters for the throne? Would surely sell some tickets, too. :3
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 124d
Yeah trump beats him IMO
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 125d
Trump? Musk? There's plenty of competition for #1. Atleast AI is actually a thing.
msage@programming.dev · 8 pts · 125d
Is it though?
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 124d
Not the think Sam has been selling it as though, which makes snake oil an apt comparison.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 125d
The day I have to give some billionaire creep my biometrics to go to a show is the same day I decide I’m never going to a show again
deathbird@mander.xyz · 63 pts · 125d
You know what could solve ticket scalping? Ban ticket resales. That's always been an option. Venues don't do this because their only concern is selling out their seats.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 125d
deathbird@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 123d
I think that second thing is just called a refund.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 123d
deathbird@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 123d
It is harder if you want to resell it yourself, but that is the whole point. The right to resell a piece of paper or a code that lets you into a venue is the means by which scalpers ply their arbitrage.
It just makes more sense to allow people to have the venue refund them. Then suddenly it's not sold out anymore.
talentedkiwi@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 125d
Just as long as I can get a full refund if I'm unable to attend anymore. Maybe up to an hour before or something.
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 125d
Or control the prices so people don't overpay.
detren@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 125d
TicketSwap does this and works with the venues I think.
deathbird@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 123d
They already do that to a degree. The problem is that scalpers buy up all the tickets and then over charge people on the secondary market.
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 123d
Secondary market? Like what?
deathbird@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 123d
Scalping is reselling goods on the secondary market for more than you bought them at the source?
TheBlackLounge@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 125d
How would you do this without verification? How do you still allow gift tickets or buying for a friend?
poopkins@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 125d
Tickets are issued to a name and are confirmed at entry with photo ID, just like with an airline ticket.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 125d
not much better than eye scanning.
also does not solve the gifting problem, because normally you don't know the ID of your friends
poopkins@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 125d
You only need to know their names. Their ID matches their names to their faces.
deathbird@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 123d
There's a few ways to do this. At the other commenter said you can attach a name and require ID at the door. ID could be as common as a credit card or a school ID or even an official piece of mail. All this is less invasive than biometrics and more reliable too. Biometrics are always for convenience and not security.
If you want to get extra cautious, sell tickets at the booth for an hour or two before the doors open and up until the beginning of the show. The ticket comes in the form of a paper wristband, like they use for alcohol, and you can pay cash.
Want to buy a ticket for your friend? Use their legal name and then they show ID at the door. There's paranoid as you? Send them cash.
There's another option. You can buy tickets for yourself and any number of companions. Only the purchaser has to show ID, and the entire party has to come in with the purchaser.
There. And now you didn't have to give Sam Altman legal authority to store and resell your biometric data to private surveillance networks and retail shops in exchange for seeing Taylor Swift live.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 125d
Why shouldn't we use biometrics for security?
Because you can't change them once they are compromised. It breaks so many rules for security it isn't funny.
Why are companies/government pushing for this?
It is not about security, it is about tracking. This is the opposite of security and if we continue to allow it we will have severe consequences in our future.
clif@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 124d
Every time work pushes to use 100% biometrics I have to argue and get an exception.
I've got form of eczema where two to four times a year all the skin on my hands flakes and falls off... There are weeks when I have no fingerprints.
They've only brought up facial recognition once and I said it didn't work reliably due to my skin color and facial hair. I have no idea if that's true, never tried it, never will, but they didn't pursue it any further.
I always enjoy throwing out the "if you force that, there will be about two months a year where I won't be able to login... That's up to you, but you have to document it so I can forward it to my manager and make them aware". Unfortunately they haven't forced it yet.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 124d
Dishydrosis?
clif@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 123d
That's the one. Are you a fellow lizard person that sheds your skin regularly like me?
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 123d
Yes :( cursed to be a lesbian with scaly fingers
clif@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 123d
Doh : (
At least we have a valid excuse for not adopting fingerprint biometrics... Minor bright side, I guess.
PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 126d
(1) Offer a solution which exacerbates bot-traffic on the internet, (2) legitimize the need for verification of users as a result, (3) offer the most privacy-invasive "solution" to the "problem" imaginable: problem(1)-reaction(2)-solution(3)... every parasite's favorite paradigm :)
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 126d
You can't solve scalping when its a core function of LiveNation's ecosystem. Scalping is the business model.
DeadPixel@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 126d
Fuck off Sam
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 126d
What a relief. As long as we are all tracked at all times by both government and corporations, we can finally be free of the burden of ticket scalping. It's a small price to pay for this great reward. I think we can turn our attention toward solving other oppressive plagues like Jay walking and double parking now.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 125d
As far as I’m concerned, Tom Waits solved ticket scalping back in 1999. He did two shows in my area on the Mule Variations tour. When you bought tickets, you could only buy two, and you had to give a name. Not an id, just a name. And then at the door, you had to show ID. You would anyway because it was a 21-and-up show, but the name on the ID had to match the name on the ticket. They didn’t scan shit. Just the doorman glanced at the name, and compared it to what was printed on the ticket. You could buy as many pairs of tickets as you wanted under the same name, but you couldn’t then sell them to people because their ID wouldn’t match at the door.
Simple. Non invasive. It worked. The show was amazing.
123@programming.dev · 2 pts · 124d
Some smaller comedy venues do the same now.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 125d
Ahhh. Ticket scalping. The real issue of today's generation that no one is courageous enough to talk about.
sbbq@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 125d
I mean, it is AN issue. We can do more than one thing at a time
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 126d
How does this achieve anything that requiring proof of purchase doesn't?
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 20 pts · 126d
It achieves invading customer privacy.
Oh, and selling a lot of their scanner-ball hardware things. Because now anybody who ever buys tickets to any concert or any other live event will now also need to buy one of those little fuckers.
artyom@piefed.social · -2 pts · 125d
Because you can hand someone else proof of purchase. The only way to truly prevent scalping is by verifying the purchaser's identity, to ensure they cannot transfer it to anyone else. At least not without selling it through the distributor's own channels where they will then collect a fee for the privilege of providing the proprietary platform to facilitate such transactions.
I'll take the scalping, thanks.
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 124d
artyom@piefed.social · 0 pts · 124d
It was never solved...
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 125d
I’m never going to a concert again
njordomir@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 125d
I'm going to support local anti-authoritarian punk and hip hop until they do away with this.
Quokka@quokk.au · 9 pts · 125d
Support them after as well!
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf · 16 pts · 125d
Welcome to Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, because this is an idea pulled straight from that game.
pycorax@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 126d
How about you just restrict ticket sales to 1-2 per person and require it to be tied to a name on sale which is verified on use and cannot be easily changed? That's all you need to do.
sefra1@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 125d
No, I don't want random companies to have my legal name, I reserve the right to be anonymous both online and offline
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 125d
do you pay cash for everything?
sefra1@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 125d
Whenever possible, yes. Unless I don't have cash with me, then I may sacrifice.
For online purchases I need to give my address anyway and name so I can pick the package so there's no way around it.
Whenever possible I always use a random fake name if really required to fill a name form.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 125d
well, yeah, that's what we are talking about here. online purchases that require anti-bot procedures.
richardwallass@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 124d
Sam Altman has so much shifty ideas
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 124d
Sam's first business was an app tracking each other with you and your friends. It sounded useless at the time but it was probably a precursor idea to surveillance capitalism.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 124d
I wanted to build something similar but included a Reddit style posting community.
I ultimately didn't because the fear of a hostile takeover like what happened at twitter made me rethink allowing such a platform to exist.
I know I wouldn't use any of the data to monitor users, but there's no reasonable way to stop others from abusing the system I created.
it would be unethical to create such a system knowing it would eventually fall into some private investment firms hands.
shynoise@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 124d
I mean, you could just not sell it.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 124d
when a multibillion conglomerate sets their eyes on you, do you really think anything will stop them from acquiring you?
I would rather sabotage the whole product, but what's stopping any of the devs from taking a copy and building it again for the conglomerate?
you can't put the genie back in the bottle once you set it free.
magnue@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 125d
Scam Altman: "Oh no - the bots are 2 good. Gaze into my black hole pls"
Scam Altman: Literally gave birth to the bot technology.
HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 125d
Well that could be misconstrued
wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 124d
I haven't seen Goatse in many years, and I didn't need that memory back.
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 125d
The better to opress you with, my dear....biometric tracking everywhere for everything. We let them put microphones, cameras and location tracking, facial recognition in everything and everywhere, we might end up having to use LLMs as the interface to everything capturing voice, speech patterns, thought patterns....why the fuck not eyes, dna, fingerprints (wait, we already did that one)...
Maeve@kbin.earth · 11 pts · 124d
None of them believe the 💩 they say to convince us to become even more surveilled, and we shouldn't, either. Point blank, these people are self-serving sociopaths, and they know the financial pain they've caused everyone has about got critical mass.
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 124d
yup, they're trapped with a fanatical time bomb and theyre trying anything to make their AI work like they all dreamed, it won't happen. brute force training with a bot that doesn't truly understand what is even saying or doing was always a recipe for disaster.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 124d
Is there any evidence anal prints are also unique? I want to start an AI company but it stands for Anal Inspections.
potpotato@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 124d
Salvador Dahli. Also: https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/9/21215425/smart-toilet-disease-detection-analprint
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 124d
So you in or what? I'm going to the bank looking for VC funding tomorrow morning!
potpotato@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 124d
Maybe my last PII that’s secure.
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 124d
Sadly, mine's been on the internet for decades now.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 123d
um....
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 124d
More shit to do shit that can already be done with less shit if the people running the shit gave a shit.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 9 pts · 125d
Are the orbs gonna shoot a laser beam that disintegrates the CEO of Ticketmaster?
johncandy1812@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 124d
Just like Elon's tunnels could solve traffic.
just_another_person@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 126d
They thought wrong.
This dumbass idea assumes a single person and NOT a group of people are responsible for scalping tickets, when in actuality this will just drive up scalping prices.
You fucking morons.
devolution@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 123d
I try not to trust anything that has the name "Sam Altman" attached to it.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 125d
I don't think even Sam Altman thinks this. He's saying it, sure. He's a liar.
Lexam@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d
Do you have to put your eye on it? Because hello pink eye everyone!
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 125d
Please insert identity verification probe
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 125d
sigh
Time to retrieve the nozzle.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 125d
Oh so we are mass producing punchable faces now eh?
Having just one wasn't enough, Sam?
Hope the next molotov finds its mark.
one5low7@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 124d
it will be edible so they can see you from the inside
FireWire400@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 123d
Yeah... AI companies always think their technology could solve everything.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 124d
How can there both be loads of good artists not getting recognition and not enough tickets...
winni@piefed.social · 1 pts · 125d
tell them to hide in the metaverse
smileyhead@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 125d
It is just a private company doing the verification solely, orb is just a gimmick to look like actual thing.
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 124d
stealing copys of our iris's.....
markon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 124d
They use ZK proofs there is no storage it is open. Look it up. If I am mistaken I apologize.
Limonene@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 123d
Their proof doesn't prove anything if they control the hardware and software scanning your biometrics.
markon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 123d
I mean, I can just take several pictures of your eyes and reconstruct it. I mean, if you have your eyes on any online images, then sorry to tell you....
BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 124d
By all means, you are the problem, stop trying to solve things no one asked you to.