cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/36974628
Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar”
https://road.cc/news/driverless-taxis-veering-into-cycle-lanes-normal-practice-says-waymo
https://road.cc/news/driverless-taxis-veering-into-cycle-lanes-normal-practice-says-waymo
cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/36974628
57 Comments
owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca · 116 pts · 139d
Expecting people to not sabotage the rolling death machines "too high a bar"
FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 139d
I was just going to say that the roads are for humans, not machines, but this is a better idea.
this@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 138d
All I'm gonna say is if you put a traffic cone on the hood of one it will refuse to move because they avoid cones at all costs.
village604@adultswim.fan · 0 pts · 138d
But Waymo taxis are demonstrably safer than human drivers.
Maybe you're thinking of Tesla who's significantly worse than human drivers because they ditched LIDAR.
wpb@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 138d
... says research paid for by Waymo.
I know critical thinking skills are in short supply these days, but come on.
village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 138d
That's not critical thinking. It's making an assumption based on bias.
Elextra@literature.cafe · 0 pts · 138d
I made a previous post about this. Anecdotally, I've seen numerous human drivers hit pedestrians in SF. Number of Waymos hitting humans that I have seen in local news or in person, none.
They are very very conservative with their driving in SF but can still navigate SFs complex streets (I.e. when a doordash is parallel parked theyre very good at driving around them).
village604@adultswim.fan · 8 pts · 138d
That's why you have to standardize the statistics.
Humans are responsible for more total pedestrian crashes than robo taxis simply because there's more human drivers on the road.
Although the standardized statistics agree with your anecdotal observations in this case.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 138d
I don't know why you are trying to defend human drivers so much. I share the road whit them every day and I hope to fucking God they all get replaced with robots soon.
village604@adultswim.fan · 2 pts · 138d
I'm not trying to defend human drivers; I'm all for all human drivers being replaced.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 6 pts · 137d
The only groups saying that are Waymo and Google.
bryndos@fedia.io · 2 pts · 138d
Sofas are even safer, but sofas should fuck off out of the bike lane too. And out of the bus lane too, but that's never going to happen.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 63 pts · 139d
I guess necessary bike safety gear needs to include a brick
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 38 pts · 139d
I walk my dog with a pocket full of rocks to throw at cars.
Can’t afford bricks. There’s a war on.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 17 pts · 139d
Once you collect a poo bag from your dog, you can just throw that.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 139d
I actually have a small but bright orange hatchet (I spray it to help keep rust off it and also to make it super easy to spot from the other side of my campsite) I keep on my bag, mostly for Camping, but I use the same bag when I'm on my bike.
I've started keeping it on, and have seemingly had less people giving me shit when I'm biking through town.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 2 pts · 137d
I guess I should try for a foam brick.
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 6 pts · 139d
Im_old@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 139d
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 49 pts · 138d
AI companies: Our AI is so powerful, it could take over the world if we don't regulate it
Also AI companies: Bike lanes scary
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 25 pts · 138d
It can't run a vending machine but we're going to let it make life-or-death decisions.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 138d
Didn't used to be able to run a vending machine. They turned the vending machine scenario into a benchmark...
https://andonlabs.com/evals/vending-bench-2
Jiral@lemmy.org · 44 pts · 138d
Well, if Waymo can't comply with proper street conduct, its services should be banned from public roads until they are ready and capable of complying with them.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 139d
So it's a dead end technology then? Got it. Get em off the road.
guillem@aussie.zone · 29 pts · 139d
Respect goes both ways.
Nooodel@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 138d
This is such an eloquent response. I'd give you more than one up vote if I could
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 138d
Dude, expecting fucking HUMAN drivers to respect bike lanes is too high a bar.
HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 139d
no problem, don't expect me to respect driverless taxis then
I can fuk a car up pretty good, so they'll learn how to "respect" me at least
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 138d
Until the AI goes full-on Christine
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 15 pts · 139d
They don't respect bike lanes...
Do they respect bricks?
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 139d
No, but it might be gratifying to verify that information repeatedly.
wizardfrag@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 139d
I wonder if they respect the ceramic from a broken spark plug… apparently it’s sharp enough to easily shatter tempered glass… so I’ve heard
AA5B@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 138d
Unless you want to be dragged under the car, you should prefer a range weapon. Close in weapons are for melees or parking lots
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 137d
Pitch that mfer from 20 feet away and you'll put it clean through a tempered glass window. It's something about how the ceramic interacts with the glass, I don't know all the details. It damn sure works though, you really just need a little piece.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 133d
Really? Huh, i always assumed you had to point it correctly so could only do it from arms length. I guess that’s what I get for not taking the scientific approach of a few trials, LoL
Lanske@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 139d
Won't succeed here in the Netherlands then
FatVegan@leminal.space · 10 pts · 138d
I don't think it'll succeed in a developed country in general
Cherry@piefed.social · 14 pts · 139d
Totally out of curiosity as I ask a lot of questions. I’m assuming these also have to be roadworthy. Can they drive with a light out or a damaged or a missing windscreen wiper?
What kinda damage would take these out of action for small period? Or cost the most in terms of repair?
Also if one had a ‘I support Palestine action’ sticker on it, would it be considered a car displaying a terrorist message?
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 9 pts · 138d
They stop and can't move again with a cone on the hood.
Do with that information what you will.
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 138d
These cars aren't looking through the windscreen. They're covered in sensors and probably use LIDAR system to navigate. They see in the dark and through fog.
It's fairly obvious where the sensors are located looking at the car. And because these cars are dumb as hell, it takes relatively little to disrupt their ability to tell the difference between say, a person the car has to stop for, and a cardboard cutout of Scott Bacula. Or a traffic cone, as another user mentioned though that particular exploit may have been patched out by now.
Cherry@piefed.social · 1 pts · 138d
I would assume though if they are used to carry passengers then a small break in any of the windows would count as dangerous? and it least impact insurance claims?
seerdomin1983@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 139d
Someone is going to spray paint dicks on them
Cherry@piefed.social · 1 pts · 139d
I thinking more of using their authoritative info structures against them.
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 139d
People parking to drop others off or make deliveries is the most common use of bike lanes by cars/trucks. Why would I expect Waymo to be different? Thanks for saying it out loud, though?
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 27 pts · 139d
And it's why bike lanes need a physical barrier separating them from the road, not just a painted line.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 138d
That's a shame. Back to human drivers then.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 139d
Drivers don't respect the bike lanes either, in many cases. At least the driver-less cars won't veer into the bike lane on purpose or throw things at bikers, both of which I have had happen to me.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 4 pts · 139d
We need a word for the singularity event when AI becomes more humane than fuckwits.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 138d
Unfeeling and uncaring but not malicious.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 1 pts · 138d
Until they realize the amount of energy their data centers use and what that is doing to the planet...
Jiral@lemmy.org · 3 pts · 138d
"others do it too", what a poor argument, usually used by dictators invading other countries or people stealing stuff.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 138d
It’s…not an argument? It was a statement of their lived experience. Not every sentence on the internet is an argument.
Jiral@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 137d
Of course it is an argument. If intentionally or not, "other do it too" is relativising" rule breaking.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 138d
Personal injury lawyers:
Abrinoxus@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 138d
Do be evil, an hero will destroy you
Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 138d
To be fair human drivers don't respect bike lanes either.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 135d
If that's too high a bar, then robotaxis are not viable.
OppressedBread@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 131d