I feel like some conspiracy theorist when I talk about this.
We're 100% being fed poison, CEOs don't even eat the shit they peddle. Everything is to make money, make you sick to sell you something to make you better. Eating the EXACT same shit in a country like Italy is worlds different, you don't get bloated, you don't get the same options even. I never even saw Pepsi products, probably banned. Pasta, pizza, gelato, daily, no bloat, no laziness, no negatives.
Crazy what America allows its people to consume knowing it's killing and making us dumber. All in the name of money. I hate this place.
They have pepsi in Italy. There are some differences in what is allowed in American food vs European food but none of them would explain bloating or laziness. You may have some digestive issues because I don't get those symptoms when eating American pasta or pizza unless I eat way too much.
A lot of Americans cite foreign food as being “better” and note how much better they feel while traveling. The average American also probably walks 10-20x more while on a European vacation than they do at home. I don’t think it’s the food
From living abroad it's both. The food is better outside the US in terms of quality, and you tend to walk more outside the US as it's a car hellscape here.
Yeah I believe that. The way we are subtly encouraged to live as Americans is deeply unhealthy. I just assume that a little more exercise and steps probably has a more immediate effect than the food, but I’m sure it’s complicated
"What is this witchcraft?!? I don't feel like shit, I'm sleeping better, and I have a bunch more energy? Must be the food." - American on vacation suddenly walking miles a day vs walking maybe 100 - 200 yards a day normally.
Happened to the wife and I've seen it a lot in videos. I think it's how the pasta and dough is made, something with the gluten and quality.
I don't doubt there is Pepsi, I only saw coke, coke zero sugar, Fanta and a few others though.
I don't really trust ai responses, but I'm not crazy, there is a big difference in European food quality vs the shit they put in food in usa.
There are thousands of videos on YouTube, probably more, getting into details, I can't find the specific one I saw a few weeks ago. It felt crazy, but it's a drastic difference.
This is only one guys story, but I believe him being able to eat stuff he normally couldn't and not get IBS - https://youtu.be/xvIltQicFTU
I usually avoid American products because they're more bloated than the local ones. For example I can get Pringles which have a bunch of ingredients I don't recognize, or I can just get potato chips with olive oil (2 ingredients). Most of the time the local ones also taste better and are cheaper.
What's funny is that in the EU Italy is one of the biggest peddlers of junk food and usually the loudest opponent to EU-wide nutrition regulations. But you're right it's still miles ahead of the US, especially as far as banning additives goes.
I used it specifically because I was there in October 25, so it was a fresh experience. We ate a ton and felt little to no side effects like we'd feel in USA.
Oat milk is the creamiest dairy alternative for tea and coffee. It's pretty great but does have a strong flavour that might not be appreciated by people with a more complicated palate than me.
Like, I expected everything to have a bit more structure because of the carbs, but they come out sooooooo fluffy. You'll lose some of that silkiness, but you can get some of that back by adding a little more fat. Not too much or it'll kinda collapse.
When Rosa Parks's personal documents were digitized in 2016, the fact that she used peanut butter as a fat kinda blew up on the Internet. I'm obsessed with peanut butter (and mildly allergic), so I tried this and never looked back. Combine that with oat milk, and it's like you've never truly eaten pancakes before.
1.5 c all-purpose flour (1/2 and sub 20% w/cornstarch)
2.5 tsp baking powder (1/4 + equal baking soda)
.5 tsp salt (1/2)
1-2 tbs white sugar (1-1/2 + a little more)
1.25 c milk. This can change depending on the humidity and how accurately you measured everything else (1/2)
1 egg (Same)
Substitute this 1:1 with peanut butter -> 3 tbs melted butter or vegetable butter substitute. Also, melted is debatable. They're pancakes, not cookies, just get the ingredients mixed together and in a pan or on a skillet.(1/2 + a little bit more)
Vanilla extract (1-1/2)
Cooking them:
Mix the ingredients in any order by hand with a whisk. Lumps are cool cuz they add texture and a homemade feel.
Cook the pancakes on a flat thing at 375⁰ F. When the pancakes start to bubble, you're almost ready to flip them. Let the tunnel that the bubbles create gain a little structure, and then flip.
I dunno for the waffles. I use the same number setting on the waffle iron that my dad left it at, and I just kinda follow my feelings on when to flip and call it done. I think it's, like, 90 seconds on the first side, flip. 4-ish minutes or until the batter starts coming out. Then flip again, for like 2 minutes?
Some fun additional things:
I often add bananas and banana extract to my pancakes and waffles. It'll usually become too runny after that, so I correct with more flour instead of decreasing any of the other ingredients.
Use crunchy peanut butter if you wanna have banana nut pancakes but don't want to spend the money for pecans or walnuts.
Lightly toast some rolled out steel-cut oatmeal, and sub a quarter of the flour with whole wheat for whole grain pancakes.
Personally I prefer soy milk in my coffee vs oat milk. It's got a subtle taste and the creaminess is closer to regular milk while only being slightly more creamy. Also goes well in overnight oats. (I've tried oat milk in my overnight oats, it was a bit much IMO lol)
Barley milk is also damn good in coffee but also stupid expensive. I haven't tried it in overnight oats though as last time I bought it it was like 4x the cost of soy milk. (I've only bought it once)
But that's the cool part, we've got so many options that everyone can have their preferred combo.
Interesting. I recently tried soy milk in my coffee and it had 0 body to it at all. Very watery. Perhaps not all soy milk is the same though. I guess I need to try a few different places
The Target near me has "barista" almond milk that froths in a lovely way, so I can get foam on the top of my coffee or earl Grey tea. It's next to the creamers. I think it has extra gum or other thickener in it.
Gullible idiots popularizing plant milks is great for people with dairy allergies. Allergen-free foods mostly cost substantially more than the stuff they're replacing, so mass adoption lowers the prices and broadens availability. Additionally, different plant milks taste pretty different and you generally want to use different ones for different things. For example, coconut milk is tasty in desert recipes but not so much in mashed potatoes or sauces, whereas pea milk is great for those.
Source: my fiance is a chef with like 9 different food allergies, including dairy.
Gullible idiots popularizing plant milks is great for people with dairy allergies.
I feel this. I've been a lacto-ovo vegetarian my entire life, though since about 2010 or so I've been basically entirely plant based. With the veganism fad that went big in the 201Xs, the ease of access to vegetarian and vegan options increased so much, and it's awesome.
Before then, I never went to restaurants because they simply wouldn't have food for me, and if they did, it was obscure items on the menu they never cooked, and I always ended up getting food poisoning. Now there are entire restaurants only doing plant based foods. Hell even fast food have entire menus dedicated to plant based options.
In the end I'm still cooking much the same way I did in the past, except I guess I buy plant milks, and have access to tofu that's already made.
I've a coeliac friend who echoes the same sentiments with the anti-gluten craze.
Oh not this again. Why is milk such a weird misinformation topic for so many people? If you're lactose intolerant, don't drink milk. But it's just milk, not a miracle cure jfc. If your country has a crop that has a lot of calories, that's what people consume, like rice, bread, beans, potatoes, or milk.
Animals don't fly in airplanes, all crops and products take energy, the dairy industry is fucked up and has a long history of shitty ethics, and all business is competitive. But, if you like milk, drink it, if you don't, don't. But dairy milk isn't poison, neither is grain milk, and neither of those is evil or amazing, they're just food.
Eat a balanced diet and exercise and don't smoke or vape, get 8 hours of sleep, treat your femboys well, commit arson, drink more water, take a deep breath, and if your parents aren't pieces of shit and they're still alive, give them a call. Everything in moderation.
Stop being so hard on yourself. Life is too short. There is no such thing as a panacea.
Yeah, I see that, there's just too much bs surrounding milk in politics to not address the premise of the joke. Maybe if it was purely sarcastic and there wasn't unironic conversation about this in this very post, I could ignore it. But there is, so it must be said.
It’s a no win situation. Either you’re a ruthless BigAg megacorp treating a living being like a machine for financial gain, or you’re an independent farmer who’s built a relationship with your cow by looking her in the eye each time you reach down with a slow, firm, gentle hand. One’s cruel, one’s unusual.
Yes Twig, that’s the point. That it’s either mechanized cruelty or weirdly sexualized is just a punchline used to vent personal critique with the system through cynicism.
or you’re an independent farmer who’s built a relationship with your cow by looking her in the eye each time you reach down with a slow, firm, gentle hand
And take away her calf and send it to the slaughter, since that is the only way you can produce milk for human consumption.
Should I have made the punchline of the shitpost about artificial insemination? Seemed like low-hanging fruit. I assumed that the idea of a dude groping an animal’s mammary glands carried its own implications of weirdness, and that readers were familiar with what triggers lactation. But, as they say, when you assume… Now you and me are both asses.
Conceptually, yeah. But I can’t classify any product that has its roots in seeds/pesticides/herbicides produced for monoculture then processed and packaged by conglomerates that leave the brand name of the farms and small producers they bought out so they could peddle the fiction of “small farm” or “ethical” as a win. It’s a step in the right direction, but like so many things capitalism gets its hands on, it’s also often greenwashed to target buyers who want to feel like their choice is ethical but we’re still buying from shitty companies that profit from your soy milk purchase just as much as from someone else’s whole milk purchase. There’s not a lot of environmentally conscious, sustainably grown, artisanal soy milk made from heirloom seeds being sold at farmer’s markets.
Idk if this is you but it doesn't follow that because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism therefore I'll just have cows raped, separated from their babies, and murdered my whole life so I can drink their secretions.
Drinking soy or oat milk is definitely more ethical than cows milk. Im not saying it is saying it is 100% ethically pure just as no consumption under capitalism can be ethically pure.
Harm reduction is the point because there’s no clean win in the system. But the people selling the animal derived products are often also the ones selling conscientious consumers the oat milk. They don’t care about harm reduction, just profits, and as veganism has grown increasingly popular they’ve amped up producing products to supply that demand. At the end of the day, we don’t actually need bovine milk, or soy milk, or oat milk. Whatever form they’re in they’re a want, not a need. If your only challenge to a system designed to profit from exploitation is to indulge your wants but feel good because that want is advertised as better, you’re not challenging the system. Living requires consumption, all living things do it. Sometimes reducing harm to others means deciding to forgo the want for something you don’t really need in the first place.
I use soy milk to help meet my protein needs not wants. It is sold by three trees who only sells organics and only plant based milks.
I became a vegan to reduce my consumption and impact. It was not and still is not a popular decision. It was not advertised to me. It was and continues to be actually quite alienating.
I work to challenge "the system" in many ways other than my veganism, but to be clear veganism is challenging "the system." It is explicitly about making the choice to not indulge in wants if they cause harm.
Of course capitalists will cash in on any trend. Guilt by association is a fallacy that can be used to incorrectly dismiss anything.
Virtually all adult humans will develop some degree of lactose intolerance as they age. A lot of people just never connect the fact that they are getting more farty and bloated with dairy, so in cultures where dairy consumption is more culturally ingrained, mild to moderate lactose intolerance tends to be underreported.
I guess, you didn't claim otherwise, but just to point out that there's actually also a genetic change in cultures that have consumed dairy for longer:
In northern European countries, early adoption of dairy farming conferred a selective evolutionary advantage to individuals that could tolerate lactose. This led to higher frequencies of lactose tolerance in these countries. For example, almost 100% of Irish people are predicted to be lactose tolerant.
Honestly that's the first time i hear it. Though yeah culturally dairy is a big part of our culture, so it would make sense that any issues regarding it are underreported.
Diarrhea can be kinda dangerous, but yeah, bloating and gas are just mild inconveniences. Basically just a side effect of eating some foods anyway or sometimes in bigger amounts.
i think you mean lactose intolerant, milk allergy is sorta uncommon. most of asians are lactose intolerant due to not evolving with cow milk, but some european people are not lactose intolerant. other ways to get intolerant is through intestinal diseases, like parasites or celiacs, or gi infections. but lactose intolerant do build up as you age too.
I'm american. Born and raised (on the playground is where I spent most of my days). I do have to give it to the non-americans though, the self-centered assumptions of "this" country is out of hand. Be fair: Raw milk is gonna ravage everyone from every country.
Also... wouldn't pasteurization... equipment just be... a... ...pot? blinks and squints, thinkingly, holographic formulas flying everywhere
Technically speaking, pasteurization is rendering eliminate some percentage of bacteria via temperature and time. With a pot you can boil milk, which will render it safe for a time, and also destroy a lot of nutrients and change the flavor. Pasteurization as done in a dairy is typically lower temperature for a longer time, keeping the flavor and nutrients intact.
Because it's not fully boiling you typically want a sealed container to keep new bacteria from getting in during the process. A pressure cooker is fine enough for home use.
MAHA drinks raw milk which is pretty dangerous. apparently the rfk jr supporters were drinking it when it was left to sit at room temperature or a while. i heard you have to adulterate raw milk before drinking, other than pausterizing it.
No I got it, but soy doesn’t fit the category of the joke. It’s not a remedy for milk being poisoned. Some people just want a eco friendly plant based milk. Has nothing to do with anything here
It's not puritanical at all: op has a thirst and I'm telling them where to find satisfaction. The sexy instance is quiet and it needs more Homelander energy.
122 Comments
Brgor@lemmy.zip · 123 pts · 123d
Ok Homelander
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 59 pts · 123d
Zacryon@feddit.org · 37 pts · 123d
FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 123d
No thanks, i prefer femboy milk
dreamy@quokk.au · 23 pts · 123d
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 123d
Is that induced lactation or… ?
Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 123d
In a way.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 122d
If you ask the person doing the milking, yes; if you ask a biologist, no.
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 121d
I was wondering about actual induced lactation, not just figuratively
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 122d
I feel like some conspiracy theorist when I talk about this.
We're 100% being fed poison, CEOs don't even eat the shit they peddle. Everything is to make money, make you sick to sell you something to make you better. Eating the EXACT same shit in a country like Italy is worlds different, you don't get bloated, you don't get the same options even. I never even saw Pepsi products, probably banned. Pasta, pizza, gelato, daily, no bloat, no laziness, no negatives.
Crazy what America allows its people to consume knowing it's killing and making us dumber. All in the name of money. I hate this place.
EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 122d
They have pepsi in Italy. There are some differences in what is allowed in American food vs European food but none of them would explain bloating or laziness. You may have some digestive issues because I don't get those symptoms when eating American pasta or pizza unless I eat way too much.
porkloin@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 122d
A lot of Americans cite foreign food as being “better” and note how much better they feel while traveling. The average American also probably walks 10-20x more while on a European vacation than they do at home. I don’t think it’s the food
fleebleneeble@reddthat.com · 13 pts · 122d
From living abroad it's both. The food is better outside the US in terms of quality, and you tend to walk more outside the US as it's a car hellscape here.
porkloin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 122d
Yeah I believe that. The way we are subtly encouraged to live as Americans is deeply unhealthy. I just assume that a little more exercise and steps probably has a more immediate effect than the food, but I’m sure it’s complicated
Spitefire@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 122d
It's not subtle. 😂
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 122d
"What is this witchcraft?!? I don't feel like shit, I'm sleeping better, and I have a bunch more energy? Must be the food." - American on vacation suddenly walking miles a day vs walking maybe 100 - 200 yards a day normally.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 122d
Happened to the wife and I've seen it a lot in videos. I think it's how the pasta and dough is made, something with the gluten and quality.
I don't doubt there is Pepsi, I only saw coke, coke zero sugar, Fanta and a few others though.
I don't really trust ai responses, but I'm not crazy, there is a big difference in European food quality vs the shit they put in food in usa.
There are thousands of videos on YouTube, probably more, getting into details, I can't find the specific one I saw a few weeks ago. It felt crazy, but it's a drastic difference.
This is only one guys story, but I believe him being able to eat stuff he normally couldn't and not get IBS - https://youtu.be/xvIltQicFTU
EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 122d
The sugar in almost everything here would definitely account for the laziness and attention issues. Makes folks easier to control
Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 122d
And in the states, Panem et Circenses, not even free, and it still keeps Joe Commuter docile and obedient.
EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 122d
Buh we have the RIGHT to pay for every moment of peace or recharge where we’re not bleeding for corporate!
/s
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 122d
I usually avoid American products because they're more bloated than the local ones. For example I can get Pringles which have a bunch of ingredients I don't recognize, or I can just get potato chips with olive oil (2 ingredients). Most of the time the local ones also taste better and are cheaper.
silly_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 121d
What's funny is that in the EU Italy is one of the biggest peddlers of junk food and usually the loudest opponent to EU-wide nutrition regulations. But you're right it's still miles ahead of the US, especially as far as banning additives goes.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 121d
I used it specifically because I was there in October 25, so it was a fresh experience. We ate a ton and felt little to no side effects like we'd feel in USA.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 26 pts · 123d
Uhh, plant-based milks are not what you replace milk with for nutritional reasons. That's what seeds and greens are for.
Plant-based milks are what you replace dairy with for culinary reasons. And don't expect it to be the same, just find what's good in its own way.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 123d
Oat milk is the creamiest dairy alternative for tea and coffee. It's pretty great but does have a strong flavour that might not be appreciated by people with a more complicated palate than me.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 122d
Oat milk is the fucking bomb for making pancakes and regular cakes.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 122d
I never considered that... But it sounds awesome. Thank you. Truly thank you
fartographer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 122d
Like, I expected everything to have a bit more structure because of the carbs, but they come out sooooooo fluffy. You'll lose some of that silkiness, but you can get some of that back by adding a little more fat. Not too much or it'll kinda collapse.
When Rosa Parks's personal documents were digitized in 2016, the fact that she used peanut butter as a fat kinda blew up on the Internet. I'm obsessed with peanut butter (and mildly allergic), so I tried this and never looked back. Combine that with oat milk, and it's like you've never truly eaten pancakes before.
Echolynx@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 122d
Wait peanut butter in pancakes? Can you explain please?
fartographer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 120d
Pancake ingredients (waffle conversion):
Cooking them:
Some fun additional things:
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 122d
I fucking love oat milk
fartographer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 122d
I wish it weren't so expensive and that it didn't make my weight explode. But damn it's good.
Echolynx@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 122d
Do you have any good recipes? I never thought to try that.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 122d
Personally I prefer soy milk in my coffee vs oat milk. It's got a subtle taste and the creaminess is closer to regular milk while only being slightly more creamy. Also goes well in overnight oats. (I've tried oat milk in my overnight oats, it was a bit much IMO lol)
Barley milk is also damn good in coffee but also stupid expensive. I haven't tried it in overnight oats though as last time I bought it it was like 4x the cost of soy milk. (I've only bought it once)
But that's the cool part, we've got so many options that everyone can have their preferred combo.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 122d
Interesting. I recently tried soy milk in my coffee and it had 0 body to it at all. Very watery. Perhaps not all soy milk is the same though. I guess I need to try a few different places
smh@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 122d
The Target near me has "barista" almond milk that froths in a lovely way, so I can get foam on the top of my coffee or earl Grey tea. It's next to the creamers. I think it has extra gum or other thickener in it.
Etterra@discuss.online · 7 pts · 122d
Gullible idiots popularizing plant milks is great for people with dairy allergies. Allergen-free foods mostly cost substantially more than the stuff they're replacing, so mass adoption lowers the prices and broadens availability. Additionally, different plant milks taste pretty different and you generally want to use different ones for different things. For example, coconut milk is tasty in desert recipes but not so much in mashed potatoes or sauces, whereas pea milk is great for those.
Source: my fiance is a chef with like 9 different food allergies, including dairy.
Dojan@pawb.social · 5 pts · 122d
I feel this. I've been a lacto-ovo vegetarian my entire life, though since about 2010 or so I've been basically entirely plant based. With the veganism fad that went big in the 201Xs, the ease of access to vegetarian and vegan options increased so much, and it's awesome.
Before then, I never went to restaurants because they simply wouldn't have food for me, and if they did, it was obscure items on the menu they never cooked, and I always ended up getting food poisoning. Now there are entire restaurants only doing plant based foods. Hell even fast food have entire menus dedicated to plant based options.
In the end I'm still cooking much the same way I did in the past, except I guess I buy plant milks, and have access to tofu that's already made.
I've a coeliac friend who echoes the same sentiments with the anti-gluten craze.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 122d
Silly pee isn't milk
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 122d
you missed the joke
the claim that it’s poison isn’t serious, neither is the claim that plant milk is a cure
it’s just a setup for the punchline
and plant milk is what you replace dairy with for ethics reasons
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 121d
I didn't miss the joke, I just didn't comment on it.
Yeah, ethics reasons, and I simply chose not to comment on that either.
I just wanted to comment because the joke reinforces a simple misunderstanding on the nutritional side of things.
ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 123d
My nuclear family group chat is discussing gut health and diet. I am very tempted to post this in there.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 122d
nope, femboy milk better
Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 122d
Boy, you need Jesus.
Holy femboy milk.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 122d
instructions unclear, forcefemmed and milked jesus
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 121d
Response unclear, milked forcedfemmed Jesue
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 122d
Oh not this again. Why is milk such a weird misinformation topic for so many people? If you're lactose intolerant, don't drink milk. But it's just milk, not a miracle cure jfc. If your country has a crop that has a lot of calories, that's what people consume, like rice, bread, beans, potatoes, or milk.
Animals don't fly in airplanes, all crops and products take energy, the dairy industry is fucked up and has a long history of shitty ethics, and all business is competitive. But, if you like milk, drink it, if you don't, don't. But dairy milk isn't poison, neither is grain milk, and neither of those is evil or amazing, they're just food.
Eat a balanced diet and exercise and don't smoke or vape, get 8 hours of sleep, treat your femboys well, commit arson, drink more water, take a deep breath, and if your parents aren't pieces of shit and they're still alive, give them a call. Everything in moderation.
Stop being so hard on yourself. Life is too short. There is no such thing as a panacea.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 122d
you missed the joke
the claim that it's poison isn't serious, neither is the claim that plant milk is a cure
it's just a setup for the punchline
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 122d
Yeah, I see that, there's just too much bs surrounding milk in politics to not address the premise of the joke. Maybe if it was purely sarcastic and there wasn't unironic conversation about this in this very post, I could ignore it. But there is, so it must be said.
trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf · 13 pts · 123d
Thought this was violet for a sec
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 122d
nope it's the other hornyposter
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 123d
what's wrong with normal milk?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 123d
Comes from cows not angels
Twig@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 123d
Animal abuse
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 123d
It’s a no win situation. Either you’re a ruthless BigAg megacorp treating a living being like a machine for financial gain, or you’re an independent farmer who’s built a relationship with your cow by looking her in the eye each time you reach down with a slow, firm, gentle hand. One’s cruel, one’s unusual.
Twig@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 122d
I guess not abusing an animal is a win situation.
musicjunkie@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 122d
No matter what we eat some living thing gets “abused”
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 122d
Yes Twig, that’s the point. That it’s either mechanized cruelty or weirdly sexualized is just a punchline used to vent personal critique with the system through cynicism.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 122d
And take away her calf and send it to the slaughter, since that is the only way you can produce milk for human consumption.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 122d
Should I have made the punchline of the shitpost about artificial insemination? Seemed like low-hanging fruit. I assumed that the idea of a dude groping an animal’s mammary glands carried its own implications of weirdness, and that readers were familiar with what triggers lactation. But, as they say, when you assume… Now you and me are both asses.
adminofoz@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 122d
Soy milk or oat milk is a pretty big W in my book
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 121d
oat milk has sugar in it, soy just have this wierd taste i cant stand.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 122d
Conceptually, yeah. But I can’t classify any product that has its roots in seeds/pesticides/herbicides produced for monoculture then processed and packaged by conglomerates that leave the brand name of the farms and small producers they bought out so they could peddle the fiction of “small farm” or “ethical” as a win. It’s a step in the right direction, but like so many things capitalism gets its hands on, it’s also often greenwashed to target buyers who want to feel like their choice is ethical but we’re still buying from shitty companies that profit from your soy milk purchase just as much as from someone else’s whole milk purchase. There’s not a lot of environmentally conscious, sustainably grown, artisanal soy milk made from heirloom seeds being sold at farmer’s markets.
adminofoz@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 122d
Idk if this is you but it doesn't follow that because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism therefore I'll just have cows raped, separated from their babies, and murdered my whole life so I can drink their secretions.
Drinking soy or oat milk is definitely more ethical than cows milk. Im not saying it is saying it is 100% ethically pure just as no consumption under capitalism can be ethically pure.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 122d
Harm reduction is the point because there’s no clean win in the system. But the people selling the animal derived products are often also the ones selling conscientious consumers the oat milk. They don’t care about harm reduction, just profits, and as veganism has grown increasingly popular they’ve amped up producing products to supply that demand. At the end of the day, we don’t actually need bovine milk, or soy milk, or oat milk. Whatever form they’re in they’re a want, not a need. If your only challenge to a system designed to profit from exploitation is to indulge your wants but feel good because that want is advertised as better, you’re not challenging the system. Living requires consumption, all living things do it. Sometimes reducing harm to others means deciding to forgo the want for something you don’t really need in the first place.
adminofoz@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 121d
I use soy milk to help meet my protein needs not wants. It is sold by three trees who only sells organics and only plant based milks.
I became a vegan to reduce my consumption and impact. It was not and still is not a popular decision. It was not advertised to me. It was and continues to be actually quite alienating.
I work to challenge "the system" in many ways other than my veganism, but to be clear veganism is challenging "the system." It is explicitly about making the choice to not indulge in wants if they cause harm.
Of course capitalists will cash in on any trend. Guilt by association is a fallacy that can be used to incorrectly dismiss anything.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · -22 pts · 123d
Cows aren't animals.
bstix@feddit.dk · 20 pts · 123d
Except your mom.
CapOnBackwards@fedinsfw.app · 6 pts · 123d
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 122d
Mammal of the decade that bitch.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 122d
Bites you as hard as I can.
owsei@programming.dev · 3 pts · 122d
?????
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 122d
What is there to not understand.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 123d
As a human, normal milk for me comes from human titties.
Notyou@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 123d
And why has no one made cheese from human milk?
Canajan@piefed.ca · 8 pts · 123d
Have heard of people trying it several times, but unfortunately it doesn’t work for some reason.
jlow@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 123d
You can (or could?) get ice cream made from human milk (in NYC?), apparently, though.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 123d
To make cow cheese they use calf stomach, or whatever rennet is.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 123d
That part is often done artificially now.
LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 123d
So to make human cheese you need..... baby stomach?
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 122d
now they often use synthetic chemicals
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 122d
Legality
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 121d
you will probably need alot of human milk to do that, and probably wont past safety standards.
toxicbubble@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 123d
most of the world is allergic to milk, also breeding and killing cows contributes to global warming and animal torture
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 25 pts · 123d
I'm going to need to see some sources to back up that claim.
Edit: this seems to say less than 0,5% of adult population is allergic to milk. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1939455122000229
Lactose intolerance is more common.
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/lactose-intolerance/definition-facts
But that's far from allergy. Allergies are more severe than just bloating, diarrhea and gas.
Zacryon@feddit.org · 12 pts · 123d
Yeah I guess that's what they meant.
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 123d
Has to be, only way it makes sense and would explain why i was surprised over it as I'm form EU and it's significantly less people are effected here.
socsa@piefed.social · 3 pts · 123d
Virtually all adult humans will develop some degree of lactose intolerance as they age. A lot of people just never connect the fact that they are getting more farty and bloated with dairy, so in cultures where dairy consumption is more culturally ingrained, mild to moderate lactose intolerance tends to be underreported.
trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 123d
I guess, you didn't claim otherwise, but just to point out that there's actually also a genetic change in cultures that have consumed dairy for longer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 123d
Honestly that's the first time i hear it. Though yeah culturally dairy is a big part of our culture, so it would make sense that any issues regarding it are underreported.
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 123d
it might be far from allergy, but it makes no sense to consume such a thing
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 123d
Depending on the severity of the effects, those are survivable or even just slightly uncomfortable. While allergies can be lethal.
Though that's up to each individual to decide.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 121d
milk allergy is quite rare, and you likely have another condition too.
chunes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 122d
'just' bloating diarrhea and gas, wow
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 122d
Diarrhea can be kinda dangerous, but yeah, bloating and gas are just mild inconveniences. Basically just a side effect of eating some foods anyway or sometimes in bigger amounts.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 123d
Human breast milk also has lactose.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 121d
i think you mean lactose intolerant, milk allergy is sorta uncommon. most of asians are lactose intolerant due to not evolving with cow milk, but some european people are not lactose intolerant. other ways to get intolerant is through intestinal diseases, like parasites or celiacs, or gi infections. but lactose intolerant do build up as you age too.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 123d
The container isn't enough fun
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 123d
Not much, but there also isn't really anything good about it.
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 122d
trashboypro@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 122d
Why are you drinking milk after you stopped being a baby, are you Homelander or something?
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 122d
Fuck. I will eventually have to buy my own pasteurization equipment, won't I?
Idiots. Raw milk is going to spread H5N1, which will ravage this country because there won't be a vaccine.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 122d
I'm american. Born and raised (on the playground is where I spent most of my days). I do have to give it to the non-americans though, the self-centered assumptions of "this" country is out of hand. Be fair: Raw milk is gonna ravage everyone from every country.
Also... wouldn't pasteurization... equipment just be... a... ...pot? blinks and squints, thinkingly, holographic formulas flying everywhere
ricecake@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 122d
Technically speaking, pasteurization is rendering eliminate some percentage of bacteria via temperature and time. With a pot you can boil milk, which will render it safe for a time, and also destroy a lot of nutrients and change the flavor. Pasteurization as done in a dairy is typically lower temperature for a longer time, keeping the flavor and nutrients intact.
Because it's not fully boiling you typically want a sealed container to keep new bacteria from getting in during the process. A pressure cooker is fine enough for home use.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 121d
E.COLI the nasty kind not the normal diarrhea kind.
itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 123d
Who else zoomed in?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 123d
Guilty
BoosBeau@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 123d
If I had but more than one upvote to offer.
Fluffy_Ruffs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 123d
🥵
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 122d
This is very close to actual MAHA thinking, except with a true MAHA adherent it would be raccoon milk instead.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 121d
MAHA drinks raw milk which is pretty dangerous. apparently the rfk jr supporters were drinking it when it was left to sit at room temperature or a while. i heard you have to adulterate raw milk before drinking, other than pausterizing it.
Jackusflackus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 123d
What’s wrong with soy milk? Why is it a “cure”?
haywire7@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 123d
I'm going out on a limb and going with something something lactose.
raman_klogius@ani.social · 14 pts · 123d
It lacks toast
NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 123d
And told your aunt
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 122d
you missed the joke
the claim that it’s poison isn’t serious, neither is the claim that plant milk is a cure
it’s just a setup for the punchline
Jackusflackus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 122d
No I got it, but soy doesn’t fit the category of the joke. It’s not a remedy for milk being poisoned. Some people just want a eco friendly plant based milk. Has nothing to do with anything here
sbv@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 123d
The nsfw instance is that way 👉
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 123d
No thanks
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 123d
I only see the scroll bar?
sbv@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 123d
Is it a sexy scroll bar?
ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 122d
Is this some puritanical US thing where even cleavage is NSFW?
sbv@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 122d
It's not puritanical at all: op has a thirst and I'm telling them where to find satisfaction. The sexy instance is quiet and it needs more Homelander energy.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 122d
no, the comment is saying that the nsfw instance is where you can take the medicine