Griffin added more details to her initial post, writing, “A senior US official tells me that it was a US military strike on Iran’s Qeshm port and Bandar Abbas moments ago but added this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire.”
Griffin added more details to her initial post, writing, “A senior US official tells me that it was a US military strike on Iran’s Qeshm port and Bandar Abbas moments ago but added this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire.”
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xenomor@lemmy.world · 253 pts · 105d
So, is the ceasefire over, or are we just doing an Israel-style ceasefire?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 115 pts · 105d
Toddler logic:
Ceasefire means you stop, I can still do what I want.
People forget trump has always wanted a forever war to cancel elections.
He doesn't want to permanently fix anything, he wants it ready to blow as an excuse to cancel an election.
Don't forget Bibi has canceled like 4 consecutive Israeli elections, it's his bread and butter and he's running this show.
The war won't end while trump is in office.
Mongostein@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 105d
I expect a false flag attack, blamed on Iran, to happen right before the midterms
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 105d
Faux news:
Iran just shit trump's pants!
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 105d
But didn't Biden shit Trump's pants before that? :O
newton@feddit.online · 3 pts · 105d
Mar a lago ,may I hope
Mongostein@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 104d
That’s the only way I would believe the attack is real. It’ll probably be an Amazon warehouse which happens to be fully staffed by union supporters.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 25 pts · 105d
He’s also likely hit the Alzheimer’s stage of his life. Combine his general impulsivity with the characteristic impulsivity of Alzheimer’s. Now add in his likely cluster B personality disorder. Anything can happen at any time.
Reason may not be involved at all.
YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf · 11 pts · 105d
Someone gift him a luger with ammo and he'll fix the problem himself.
Akh@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 105d
Ding ding ding
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 105d
So our best hope for mankind's future is...McDonald's?
Jhex@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 105d
apparently because Americans seem OK to bring the world to ruin before attempting to organize a general strike or protest on a week day
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 105d
They’re inviting ufc fighters to the White House and someone could potentially do something really funny
SpraynardKruger@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 105d
I would pay so much money to watch a PPV fight between any UFC fighter and everyone in Trump's cabinet. Starting with the president and VP, of course.
TaTTe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 105d
I know Bibi is running the country lika a dictator, but has he really cancelled any elections? As far as I can tell, since 2000 there have been Knesset elections 2003, 2006, 2009, 2013, 2015, 2019, 2019 (again), 2020, 2021 and 2022 with the next one expected in October this year.
Doesn't sound like there have been any cancellations, considering the members serve four-year terms, however, there have been plenty of early elections.
Can you clarify what you meant by him having cancelled Israeli elections?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 104d
They don't have regular elections, they can happen as often as every year.
Bibi has cancelled due to "war" since 2022, and while there is an election scheduled this year, that has been true for every year since 2022 as well.
Edit:
And the reason they happened twice in 19, then three years in a row is because a lot of Israel blames Bibi for all of this...
Very very slim wins for his parties and his alliance keeps fracturing. If he wasn't canceling elections,the wouldn't be in charge.
And as soon as he's not in charge, his corruption trial starts and he's clearly guilty. Like there's a shit ton of evidence, he will be found guilty.
It's a lot more fucked up than people think, there's a lot of propaganda from all sides that want to make it seem like Bibi has the support of every Israeli, when it's more like America and trump.
TaTTe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
Right, so if I understand correctly the Knesset has voted to have an early election several times since 2022, but Bibi has vetoed those decisions to stay in power?
Still, I'd be more hopeful this year since the four years are up and I'd assume it's not as easy to cancel a mandatory election than an early election. At least I hope so.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 105d
No, this is a new war which Congress totally doesn't need to approve for 90 days.
Meron35@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 105d
Actually, what he meant was a seas-fire, hence the bombing of a coastal city /s
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 104d
You cease, we fire
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 104d
Iran is not Gaza. If the usa don't cease , Iran will not cease. Even hizbollah no longer accept isrsel breach if the cease fire and are back at full scaled retaliation
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 104d
AFAIK the ceasefire ever existing was a myth? Trump just kinda declared it without anyone else agreeing and then everyone kept shooting anyway, Trump included.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 105d
Since Iran retaliated I would say the cease fire is done
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 104d
The ceasefire was done when the us attacked iran
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 104d
That's why I said retaliated. It mean the usa restarted the hostilities first
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
Regardless of retaliation, if there is a ceasefire, and someone shoots from one side to the other, even without a retaliation, the ceasefire is violated.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 104d
Actually the cease fire become null and Iran has the right to retaliate, which they did.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
That's what I said. https://lemmy.world/comment/23627380
Yes iran has the right to retaliate
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 104d
Maybe it was a misunderstanding but your first reply to mind felt like it meant that I did not acknowledge that the USA was the one who broke it. I guess we agreed from the start
RandAlThor@lemmy.ca · 134 pts · 105d
Not a restarting of the war? LMAO this administration thinks we are STUPID.
RustyShackleford@piefed.social · 41 pts · 105d
The most significant issue with an idiot is that they will always assume that everyone around them is less intelligent than they are.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 105d
The Dunning-Cougar effect. I know this one and I'm never wrong.
BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
Dunning-Kruger?
9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 105d
Whooooosh
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 105d
Well, a large percentage of the US is stupid.
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 105d
Most Americans can't read at a 12th grade level.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 105d
More than half the adult population can’t read at a grade 6 level.
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 105d
Yep, that's the whole most Americans are functionally illiterate. I know. We're mostly a lost cause.
CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 105d
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 105d
Yeah but we're talking about America where education through the 12th grade is compulsory. By virtue of passing every American with a high school education should be capable of analyzing and consuming media at a pre-collegiate level. More than half can't do it at even a sixth grade level. Half of Americans are functionally illiterate. Just look at any reddit thread or any America centric fediverse thread.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 104d
You can be bad at school and still be smart in many different aspects.
edible_funk@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 104d
No.
cunnililgus@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 105d
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 105d
Twice.
TWICE
The first time was moronic, but the second is unforgivable. Just unforgivable.
northface@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 104d
Please, stop assuming every US citizen voted for Trump. A lot of them didn't, and you most likely have no idea whether the person you replied to is one of them.
These kind of comments are becoming tiresome and doesn't help anyone; and they certainly doesn't bring anything to the discussion.
cunnililgus@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 104d
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 104d
@lemmy.ca . The user you replied to seems to be canadian.
cunnililgus@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 104d
comrade_twisty@feddit.org · 15 pts · 105d
It's just a demented military operation...
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 105d
It thinks Republicans are. Because passivity from the Republicans in the Senate is all he needs to keep the war going. I certainly have no faith in the military to reject unlawful orders themselves.
9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 105d
the majority of the country voted for him or abstained.... so yes... amerikkka is stupid
Zephorah@discuss.online · 9 pts · 105d
Basic article, but news snippets & headlines (sans article reading) can work the same way. As one example, we are now seeing pregnant women shun Tylenol, not for anything specific they remember, just a vague “I heard it could be bad for the baby.”
MAGA knows what they say in brief sound bites, on repeat, can and will have similar impact.
Not on all. But they don’t need all. They just need enough absorbing the info in this way to keep us divided and forever following different information.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/mandela-effect
Nautalax@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 105d
Tbh our country re-elected him so I can see why they’d get that impression
wampus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 105d
Nah, they think you're powerless. And they're generally right.
Cherry@piefed.social · 1 pts · 105d
It’s true statement and a sad one. People need to turn that around, they are not powerless, but they are conditioned to think so.
You hold the power…if you choose it. You are not ants to be squished.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
Imagine the average person. Pretty dumb, right? Now remember half of people are dumber than that
aarch0x40@piefed.social · 1 pts · 105d
This administration thinks we're as drunk as they are
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 88 pts · 105d
What in the fuck? When Iran retaliates, are these people gonna cry that Iran broke the ceasefire?
This is so childish.
cunnililgus@sopuli.xyz · 51 pts · 105d
Straight from Russian playbook. Just straight up lie in front of the whole world. Your fanatics will believe you anyways and the doubters won't know who to trust.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 105d
As a "doubter," I know not to trust a single word ever said by Trump. The only thing that matters are his actions, because those can be read no matter what he wants me to think.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 104d
How to tell if the orange kid-fucker is lying...
...his mouth is open
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 104d
Not necessarily, he lies via text all the time.
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 104d
Where are those Iraqi nukes, George?
flandish@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 105d
its been the american playbook since at least the gulf of tonkin which brought us into the vietnam war. its nothing new that donny is getting from his bff putin.
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
If you think for a moment the government didn't know some shenanigans was up on the Pearl harbor invasion... Rest assured they knew something was going to happen they didn't expect Pearl harbor to be it.. but the powers that be we're looking for something to justify the United States entering the war
flandish@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
the pacific side. yeah. i dont disagree.
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
I'm tired of all this bullshit always the same playbook
DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 104d
If anything, Russia is using the long established playbook belonging to the US.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 104d
They are going to say that literally nothing is breaking the cease fire, unless Iran does something large enough to rile up the US population.
The moment the ceasefire is “broken” they need to go before congress and get their stamp of approval on the war. But so long as they are in a ceasefire, they don’t have to do that.
So they are going to continue with the war, but constantly claim that their acts of war aren’t breaking the cease fire, so they still aren’t at war, so they still don’t need congress.
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 105d
Yes.
kn33@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 105d
Y'all are missing the point of saying it's not a resumption. Of course it is. But they have to lie. If they admit they're resuming, it means they're in violation of the war powers act by going past 60 days. I expect the next lie will be that actually, this is a totally new military operation and the clock has reset.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 105d
He's literally done that multiple times already...
So yeah, pretty safe bet
Freeposity@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 105d
And when they need to justify the war they claim we've been at war with Iran for 47 years.
Each lie is made for each argument or question they are addressing and does not need to be consistent with prior lies.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 105d
Neat thing about the war powers act is all the president has to do is tell Congress they need 30 more days to "wind-down" operations. Then they get 30 free more days to do whatever
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 104d
Nobody is forced to accept lies
tatterdemalion@programming.dev · 1 pts · 104d
They were already in violation of the War Powers Resolution/Act when they started the war (not a defensive operation), but now they are even more in violation.
DigDoug@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 105d
Fires
"This is not an end to the ceasefire"
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 105d
Now they're gonna wait for Iran to fire back and say they broke the ceasefire.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 105d
The old Israeli approach to ceasefires.
socsa@piefed.social · 9 pts · 105d
I mean how can you cease firing if you aren't firing?
Checkmate atheists
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 105d
"Time in. Tag, you're it. Time out."
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 105d
it's just a tribute
Bwaz@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 104d
Huh. And here's me thinking a cease fire means you ceased firing.
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 104d
jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 104d
No, these are just 'love taps'
homes@piefed.world · 24 pts · 105d
You can’t restart a war that never ended or end a cease-fire that never started
stumu415@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 104d
This is a new operation: ' Giant Clusterfuck'
wuffah@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 105d
At some point, words still need to mean SOMETHING so at least a transfer of information happens. At this rate, by next year they’ll be down to pointing and grunting.
CyroSignal@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 105d
Trump doesn't even respect the ceasefire
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 104d
He can't spell ceasefire. Or Iran. Or USA
CyroSignal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 102d
Ah OK
formergijoe@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 105d
"Us firing during a ceasefire doesn't cease the cease fire." Hegseth probably
meco03211@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 105d
Alternative ceasefire
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 105d
Apparently this was a “love tap”. Only a man with the sexual history of Donny the Demented would think that.
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 8 pts · 105d
Well he probably thinks Qeshm was asking for it by dressing that way .....
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 105d
Sundowning Preznit Fuckwit is bigly mad because the trumpstein files are being brought up again.
There. That is why bombs are being dropped. Because a pedo doesn't like when you shame his child raping activities.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 104d
Once Iran reports on it then I might start to believe it.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 104d
I can't wait for Iran to release another series of satellite pics of even more expensive pedophile assets being turned into smoking craters.
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 104d
Peace talks are progressing in the typical Israeli fashion I see
TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 105d
Fake ceasefire to avoid the war powers act.
astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 105d
Jennifer Griffin phrased this really poorly. (Fox News isn't really known for intelligence...) Three ships were fired on, and they returned fire with retaliatory strikes, per USCENTCOM. https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4480437/centcom-protects-us-warships-transiting-strait-of-hormuz/
So, the war isn't back on, but it's not off either. For a cease fire, there's been a lot of firing going on. The US never should have kicked this hornet's nest.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 105d
I'm seeing different things. Now seeing it being called a surprise attack by the USA which Iran retaliated to.
The order of events is probably going to be disputed for a bit. Most interesting part is that there are some reports that significant damage was done to US military ships.
If sailors are dead, Trump will go nuclear. Not literal nuclear. But still.....think he will just yell until they agree to let him go full on invasion.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 105d
Attacking ships is definitrly war
Teknikal@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 105d
Trump was probably told by Putin a ceasefire is when the other side stop fighting and you are free to attack because that would actually pan out.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 105d
Israel did it before Putin
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 104d
and here begins the "second" 60 day congressionally unapproved war with iran.
graham1@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 105d
"CENTCOM confirms Iranian forces fired on U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyers transiting the Strait of Hormuz."
I wonder why US ships transiting the strait
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 105d
They believe they can fix it, with unconsensual intercourses no less.
West_of_West@piefed.social · 1 pts · 105d
Looks like war is back on the menu!
ZetaLightning94@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 105d
Very misleading title... US responded to attacks...
Davel23@fedia.io · 7 pts · 105d
US says it responded to attacks.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 104d
The US lies
green_red_black@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 105d
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 104d
After the US attacked
green_red_black@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 104d
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 104d
I mistakenly reply to you instead of the person claiming Iran attacked first
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 104d
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 105d
Where?
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 104d
Because we are there. And we shouldn’t be.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 104d
False. Iran responded to attacks
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 104d
Why do you think Iran attacked? Who started the war? Also a civilian city is not a valid target for an attack. It's a war crime.
When people say US is fucked, the large part of it is because of people like you.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 104d
The US attacked first