I bought a replacement video card on 2019. It was replacing my 10 year old card. When I built my new PC, it was replacing a pc I begrudgingly installed win7 on. I have emulators from up to PS2. Pc gaming has crazy ROI.
No, there has never been a time when Nintendo, the cheapest option for a current gen console, has been $500, while the others start at $600. Considering the other current gen ones are 6 years old at that price, next gen will be even higher. People will keep buying them, of course, but everyone has their breaking point. I won't be the only one.
And where there is little benefit between generations for gamers. No wow for graphics or gameplay. Just more expensive and slightly improved. Itâs similar to phones. In an effort to have mass appeal, they try to appeal to all levels of hardware, so canât fully take advantage of the new. In the past, it just wouldnât launch on older hardware. However, even the big studios were more like indies back then.
While I don't strictly disagree, PC hardware isn't cheap today either. Just had a desktop get damaged in a move, and I am loathe to replace any parts (really need a new mobo though, it's TECHNICALLY working, buuuut...)
It's still fucking ridiculous that billionaire literally just bought the world's computing supply for a decade to build something no one wants and no one even knows how to make profitable...
It's getting to the point where it only makes sense if they don't want us to have computers anymore.
They've deluded themselves into thinking they can achieve full ai and take over the world. These tech billionaires got their money young and never grew up because of it
Upside is that it means they'll go full throttle until they smash into the economic equivalent of a pilon barrier. Maybe we'll get lucky and see some of them kill themselves a la people jumping to their deaths at wallstreet when the great depression set in.
Look a man can dream, and I dream of death and bloodshed.
Not just games; everything. They want everything in the cloud, and remember, the cloud is just someone else's computer. They want to own it all, and rent it to you by the hour, and then sell all the data they gather from you as well.
Right, but the fact that this is obvious means that anyone who DOES release a console in this time period is going to be able to capture a lot of market share since they have little to no competition.
It seems like consoles are in a death spiral of price increases and lower sales.
Iâm in a good spot financially and can afford new games and consoles on release date if I choose to. However I generally wait a few years after their release.
I havenât bought a new release game or console for myself in over a decade and Iâve only bought one or two titles at full price for my kids in the last three years.
Same. Been just playing random indie games that I find on sale. Way more fun. The only game I'm even eyeballing is baldurs gate which I'll play one day so I'm in no rush.
Thank you! I am one of the same with you, I could buy, but I choose to wait. Everyone deserves e better prices and I think everyone should wait to buy their games. Companies get greedy fast
I am in a similar boat. I've usually bought consoles a few years in when prices were lower. But since they're higher, I'm just sticking with PS4 and playing through that backlog
Yeah exactly. New games are often buggy and I just can't justify the cost. If they're interesting, I put em on my steam wishlist and get them when they're on offer.
I recently looked into buying one, and the cost is just so prohibitive, especially when you take into account that you have to buy another controller and a stand because the stand isn't even included. And I would also want one of those chargers. And that doesn't even include the games that are expensive too.
I also noticed that whenever I look at games for the PS4, it says in a disclaimer that the game might not work right on the PS5. I don't know what's going on with that, but it doesn't inspire confidence.
If you're trying to sell a game console, what can that console offer except exclusives? It's more a comment at how bad at business these giant cororations are than a complaint.
Less so in favor of exclusives and moreso baffled by how barren the PS5 is for them since it's such a major driver of console sells. Especially given how many indie and AA studios would probably be willing to give Sony exclusive rights if they chucked the budget of failed projects like hero shooter whatsyamacallit with the botch retro scifi aesthetic.
Screw consoles and high end computer gaming. Games started looking very good since the PS2 gen. They were just low res. Low end PC gaming is where it's at. Recently I went back to replay emulated Viewtiful Joe, the old KOTOR games PC version, emulated god of war - they look great. On Steam bought the first Rage and it runs on a basic cheap computer now and I think it looks great. Steam Deck is PS4 level. Don't need a PS5 and definitely won't need a PS6. The future is gameplay not graphics
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Rod_Orm@piefed.world · 129 pts · 112d
This generation is the first time that a console that is half a decade old has continued to rise in price instead of falling.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 67 pts · 112d
They want us to pay an assload up front and also pay more for games and to play online compared to PC? This will probably be my last console.
Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho@sh.itjust.works · 41 pts · 111d
Paying to play online is what got me off the consoles.
100$ per year x 10 years = a pretty decent pc. (At least until recently).
The PS4 is the last console I'll ever own.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 111d
PCs are even more expensive, but the gaming value over time is huge, especially if you factor in đ´ââ ď¸.
YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf · 20 pts · 111d
I bought a replacement video card on 2019. It was replacing my 10 year old card. When I built my new PC, it was replacing a pc I begrudgingly installed win7 on. I have emulators from up to PS2. Pc gaming has crazy ROI.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 111d
Seriously is. You can have whole console collections of Roms and they only take up a speck of your external hard drive. Glorious.
Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 110d
Well, when you add the cost of the console to the cost of the online subscription... Not sure the pc is all that much more expensive.
Also, just with Steam sales, the amount of money you save is pretty impressive.
Lastly, when that pc dies, my next pc will still be able to play all the games from the previous pc. Not quite the case with consoles.
All around, pc is a clear winner.
Did I mention I installed Bazzite? It rocks. Microslop gets to eat a bag of dicks and to me, that's worth all the money in the world.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 110d
I'm referring to initial cost.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 111d
Depends on what PC you get.
Ulrich@feddit.org · 2 pts · 110d
They're not more expensive when you factor in lower game costs and zero subscriptions.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 110d
I'm referring to initial cost.
the16bitgamer@programming.dev · 5 pts · 111d
That was the Switch for me. Went PS3 -> Wii U -> Switch then when Nintendo started charging I stopped playing.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 111d
With ram & gpu prices skyrocketing, todays gaming PCs will have a long life IMO.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 111d
I hope so, because I won't be able to upgrade mine for a long time!
cybervseas@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 111d
Also iirc they're adding age verification for a bunch of online features, like chat. But not for the online store, because of course not :P
Ulrich@feddit.org · 1 pts · 110d
It may be your last but this is the way it's been for decades. People keep buying them.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 110d
No, there has never been a time when Nintendo, the cheapest option for a current gen console, has been $500, while the others start at $600. Considering the other current gen ones are 6 years old at that price, next gen will be even higher. People will keep buying them, of course, but everyone has their breaking point. I won't be the only one.
Ulrich@feddit.org · 1 pts · 109d
...no one said anything about Nintendo?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 109d
We're talking about console prices. Nintendo has always been the cheapest option, so they're the ones I focused on.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 22 pts · 111d
Please buy our 6 year old console for an increased price that we kind of forgot to make games for.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 111d
And where there is little benefit between generations for gamers. No wow for graphics or gameplay. Just more expensive and slightly improved. Itâs similar to phones. In an effort to have mass appeal, they try to appeal to all levels of hardware, so canât fully take advantage of the new. In the past, it just wouldnât launch on older hardware. However, even the big studios were more like indies back then.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 115 pts · 112d
Not surprised, cost of living is way up and itâs been on the market for half a decade now
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 31 pts · 112d
I know it's true, but it just doesn't feel right. I even worked with PS5s for 4 years and it still doesn't seem right
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 112d
I still remember driving home with my damn PS4 to play the new God of War like it was yesterday. This time business needs to slow tf down.
kamenlady@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 111d
That's the neat part. It doesn't slow down, on the contrary.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 111d
besides the HCOL, producing slop games as an AAA isnt exactly attracting old or new customers.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 63 pts · 111d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 111d
For AI that no one asked for and at best seems to be used to make comical videos of unphysical unrealistic situations that never happened.
mereo@piefed.ca · 57 pts · 112d
Lol... It was foolish of Sony to retire from the PC market... Exclusives will not entice people to buy a PS5 in this economy.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 112d
Yeah, it seems like the exact wrong time to do that. Hope it bites them in the ass.
mereo@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 111d
I'm sure they will go back on their decision.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 111d
Only if gamers force them to by not buying their PS5 games. Inshallah!
magiccupcake@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 111d
I bought a ps5, and like what exclusives?
Since 2020 I bought like 6 games? (At least ones that aren't remasters)
Horizon forbidden West, god of war Ragnarok, ghost of yotei, GT7, Spider-Man2, and returnal.
Of these only 2 are still exclusives.
Not great value for a ps5, I thought I'd be buying more single player exclusives but there just aren't that many.
Even if Sony locks down future titles to being exclusive, they are not making enough to justify a console over a pc.
sbbq@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 111d
You missed out on Astrobot. Ratchet and Clank was a pretty good tech demo, also.
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 111d
Ratchet and clank is on pc too
BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 109d
While I don't strictly disagree, PC hardware isn't cheap today either. Just had a desktop get damaged in a move, and I am loathe to replace any parts (really need a new mobo though, it's TECHNICALLY working, buuuut...)
TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club · 53 pts · 112d
Companies would be foolish to release new consoles any time in the next 3 to 5 years. None of this is going away anytime soon.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 112d
It's still fucking ridiculous that billionaire literally just bought the world's computing supply for a decade to build something no one wants and no one even knows how to make profitable...
It's getting to the point where it only makes sense if they don't want us to have computers anymore.
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 112d
They've deluded themselves into thinking they can achieve full ai and take over the world. These tech billionaires got their money young and never grew up because of it
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 111d
Upside is that it means they'll go full throttle until they smash into the economic equivalent of a pilon barrier. Maybe we'll get lucky and see some of them kill themselves a la people jumping to their deaths at wallstreet when the great depression set in.
Look a man can dream, and I dream of death and bloodshed.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 15 pts · 112d
They absolutely don't want you to have computers anymore.
TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 111d
They all want us to go to game streaming.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 111d
Not just games; everything. They want everything in the cloud, and remember, the cloud is just someone else's computer. They want to own it all, and rent it to you by the hour, and then sell all the data they gather from you as well.
TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 111d
Totally agree. They just want to control everything. "You will own nothing and be happy".
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 7 pts · 112d
Right, but the fact that this is obvious means that anyone who DOES release a console in this time period is going to be able to capture a lot of market share since they have little to no competition.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 111d
only if its affordable though.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 111d
Make a "nintendo" one (low specs but with quirky stuff), so that devs have to make an effort optimizing games and even make fun games.
meowmeow@quokk.au · 3 pts · 111d
Itâs not going to go awayâŚ.ever. Theyâve decided to control every thing and never let go this time.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 111d
they are hoping enough people buy into thier SLOP machines, so it woudnt matter.
NastyNative@mander.xyz · 41 pts · 111d
Cause everyone is broke and gas prices keep rising making everything in our lives more expensive.
Prox@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 111d
And the console is like 8 years old, so anyone who wants one already has one.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 111d
its less than 6 years old, but 5+years is a long time to not produce any GOOD GAMES.
thal3s@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 110d
Hey now, we did get a new Ratchet and Clank.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 111d
excluding those 2 things, the high price of the console and games itself isnt exactly a worthy thing to buy. if the games are crappy too.
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 111d
It seems like consoles are in a death spiral of price increases and lower sales.
Iâm in a good spot financially and can afford new games and consoles on release date if I choose to. However I generally wait a few years after their release.
I havenât bought a new release game or console for myself in over a decade and Iâve only bought one or two titles at full price for my kids in the last three years.
It just doesnât seem worth it.
deft@lemmy.wtf · 9 pts · 111d
Same. Been just playing random indie games that I find on sale. Way more fun. The only game I'm even eyeballing is baldurs gate which I'll play one day so I'm in no rush.
bestbry@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
Thank you! I am one of the same with you, I could buy, but I choose to wait. Everyone deserves e better prices and I think everyone should wait to buy their games. Companies get greedy fast
dantheclamman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
I am in a similar boat. I've usually bought consoles a few years in when prices were lower. But since they're higher, I'm just sticking with PS4 and playing through that backlog
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 111d
people are only interested in playing on thier phones, or PAD at this point. people who have a pc might just stick with pc games.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
Yeah exactly. New games are often buggy and I just can't justify the cost. If they're interesting, I put em on my steam wishlist and get them when they're on offer.
daggermoon@piefed.world · 28 pts · 112d
Don't most people who want one already have one?
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 35 pts · 112d
Yup. And if they don't, it's cause they can't afford it, so a price increase certainly isn't going to help things
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
And they're really old now.
And hardly any new games have been released for it.
If MS wasn't so cack-handed they'd be selling hardly any.
bluegreenpurplepink@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 112d
I recently looked into buying one, and the cost is just so prohibitive, especially when you take into account that you have to buy another controller and a stand because the stand isn't even included. And I would also want one of those chargers. And that doesn't even include the games that are expensive too.
I also noticed that whenever I look at games for the PS4, it says in a disclaimer that the game might not work right on the PS5. I don't know what's going on with that, but it doesn't inspire confidence.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 112d
It's just a cover-their-ass disclaimer. PS4 compatibility is pretty good in general, I think only like two games don't work.
Don't forget that you also have to pay them $10 a month of you want the luxury of playing those expensive games online
jtrek@startrek.website · 21 pts · 111d
I'm happy with my linux machine. Consoles would have to be a lot cheaper to be tempting. Or I'd have to make a lot more money.
HexagonSun@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 111d
Yep.
I canât imagine ever buying another console again.
Have a steam deck and set up my budget Linux machine yesterday.
Got so many PS2 and PS3 games I canât play anymore on a single device. Never going to have that problem again.
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 111d
This is actually worse than the headline because the sales collapsed over Christmas.
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 112d
Well it has what, 6 exclusive games?
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 112d
I wanted to make a joke about foamstars, but it's also available for the ps4.
Instead, here's the wikipedia article with all 23 present and future ps5 exclusive games.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 111d
23 fucking games. I'm pretty sure the PS1, 2, 3, AND 4 had that many within a year of their releases. The fuck are you doing sony?
ripcord@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 111d
Wait when did people start demanding exclusives instead of complaining about them
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 111d
If you're trying to sell a game console, what can that console offer except exclusives? It's more a comment at how bad at business these giant cororations are than a complaint.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 111d
Less so in favor of exclusives and moreso baffled by how barren the PS5 is for them since it's such a major driver of console sells. Especially given how many indie and AA studios would probably be willing to give Sony exclusive rights if they chucked the budget of failed projects like hero shooter whatsyamacallit with the botch retro scifi aesthetic.
makyo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 111d
Yeah they are so weird about supporting their stuff. Speaking as a former PS VR ownerâŚ
And donât get me started about the very few games that really take advantage of the PS5 hardware.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 111d
You can use it on PC! :D
yggstyle@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 111d
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 112d
Sony: "I can't hear you over the sound of me shooting myself in the foot."
mysteriousquote@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 112d
Well at least PlayStation Studio games will also be coming to PC to help sales numbersâŚ
JimFox@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 111d
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als@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 110d
I'm sure that there's some rule of economics that says once most consumers who would buy something have bought it, sales will drop.
Stupendous@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 111d
Screw consoles and high end computer gaming. Games started looking very good since the PS2 gen. They were just low res. Low end PC gaming is where it's at. Recently I went back to replay emulated Viewtiful Joe, the old KOTOR games PC version, emulated god of war - they look great. On Steam bought the first Rage and it runs on a basic cheap computer now and I think it looks great. Steam Deck is PS4 level. Don't need a PS5 and definitely won't need a PS6. The future is gameplay not graphics
mysticpickle@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 111d
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 111d
It's not the hardware that matters, it's the openness of the software.
Zetta@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 111d
I'm positive pc sales have slumped probably just as much, it's getting really quite expensive to build or buy a pc again.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 110d
I cannot get big picture mode to work for shit, itâs probably my tv but I have a bunch of steam stuff unplayed.
bridgeburner@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 111d
Doesn't matter. People will buy the PS5 in masses when GTA6 releases, no matter the price.
jtrek@startrek.website · 5 pts · 111d
I'm reminded of that post that showed all the people in the "boycott cod" group playing call of duty.
The bulk of video game players seem to be feckless marshmallow eaters.
deadymouse@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
Thteven@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 112d
They must have seen that study that says Xbox users are better at sex.
Lol at the downvotes. It was a joke guys, but here's a link hahaha
https://www.geekwire.com/2013/study-xbox-better-in-bed/
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 111d
Lol