Trump has a better understanding of the Bible than Pope Leo, says conservative Christian pastor

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-robert-jeffress-bible-pope-b2973812.html

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kinther@lemmy.world · 112 pts · 123d (25 replies)

All I want to know is when the church will start booting these guys to the curb and denouncing them.

KnitWit@lemmy.world · 105 pts · 123d (3 replies)

He’s an evangelical, so the only requirement he has is saying ‘I’m a pastor.’ This particular one already has a litany of controversial quotes and, like many evangelicals, is staunchly anti-catholic, calling them a satanic Babylonian cult at one point.

adespoton@lemmy.ca · 51 pts · 123d (2 replies)

Is this the same guy who just did a blessing of a golden statue of Trump, insisting it wasn’t a golden calf?

KnitWit@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 123d

Different guy, same ilk.

bstix@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 122d

I wonder if he would say the same about the actual golden calf that was on display at Mar a Lago a while ago.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mar-a-lago-goat-trump/

one_old_coder@piefed.social · 28 pts · 123d (6 replies)

It may seem obvious but the guy is a pastor, not a catholic. The pope does not exist in his world.

kinther@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 123d (4 replies)

Yeah I get that there are several sects of Christianity, just like any other religion. The Pope has no authority over non-Catholics. That said, you would think that even some Protestants would see this as an affront to the teachings of Jesus and cast out the bad ones in their midst.

homes@piefed.world · 7 pts · 123d

You would think, because you are a logical and rational person. But they are not. Jesus exists in their world, purely as a bludgeon to push their own horrible beliefs.

Sir_Gkar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 123d

Cast them out how? There is no central organization overseeing all Christian groups. You can literally start your own church tomorrow if you want and there's nothing anyone can do to stop you, or keep others from associating with you.

It's not so different from the fediverse. You can ban people, but you can't stop them from going somewhere else. And if they start their own instance, you can defederate from it but you can't actually shut them down or stop others from joining them.

arrow74@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 122d

Some Protestants would indeed, too bad there are sects of Protestants ranging from Diet Catholic to snake handling faith healers

Steve@startrek.website · 2 pts · 122d

There is no central authority to make this happen. Any dildo can (and will) open a new church in a strip mall and continue grifting rubes.

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 123d

Kind of, or at least the pope shouldn't.. bit the followers tend to be authoritarian and so seem to also respond to authority figures.

I've definitely seen how Protestants respond to the pope shift dramatically in the past 40 years.

RegularJoe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 123d (1 reply)

Just as there are Americans who are not enamored with Trump who are not getting the media spotlight, there are Christians reacting negatively. But the media is focusing on the Maga Nationalist Christians. It's simply more profitable to focus on the extremists.

Here are some examples that the media has only touched on lightly.

"While I'm at it, I'm going to say what I feel right here. I wish the president of the United States would clean up his language. I wish he would stop insulting people. A leader should not give himself to insulting people all the time, and using foul language. And while I'm at it, I'm going to finish: everybody in the White House cusses except two women that say they are born again. But they're all foul mouthed. Let me tell you what the Bible says: "From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." Listen, don't you dare get being conservative mixed up with being a Christian. Conservative does not mean Christian. You can be pro-life, you can be pro-Biblical family, you can be pro-Israel and die and go to Hell. You can be all of that stuff and that does not make you a Christian. Folks, I am a Christian. I am not a white Christian. You're not a black Christian. I'm not in a white evangelical movement. There's no such thing as a black church. We are one in Christ. There is neither male nor female. There is neither black, or white, or slave, or poor. We are all one in Jesus Christ. No! Go ahead and praise the Lord! Don't talk about the people that represent you. They don't represent me."

Pastor Loran Livingston, Central Church, FEB 28, 2026

https://youtu.be/3ZeWDtREdW4?t=5078


https://churchleaders.com/news/2215893-heresy-paula-white-cain-trump-jesus-easter.html


John Piper Under Fire for Referring to Trump’s Re-Election as an ‘Evil’

NOV 7, 2024

https://churchleaders.com/news/500345-john-piper-under-fire-for-referring-to-trump-as-a-test-from-god.html


He criticized Donald Trump and the Southern Baptist Convention's response to a sexual abuse crisis. Then he found himself on the outside.

Who is he? Russell Moore was one of the top officials in the Southern Baptist Convention.

AUG 8, 2023

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/08/1192663920/southern-baptist-convention-donald-trump-christianity


https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2053207948294574577


During his Sunday sermon, Pastor James Rigby who leads St. Andrew’s Presbyterian in Austin, he noted that people have “mixed feelings” about the shooting but affirmed, “It’s really really important if we are going to be the healing agents of the world to realize that violence is not going to get rid of the problem that we have.”

“I said last week, if violence could have gotten rid of racism, the Civil War would have worked,” he continued. “But if you look at the Bible Belt and the heart of the MAGA movement, it is the Confederacy. The America they want to get back to is the Confederate States of America, not the United States of America.”

The pastor further stressed that “It’s very important that even as we fight for justice, even as we protect each other from this fascistic movement, that we not do to them what they're doing to the rest of us.

APR 27, 2026

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/jeff-charles/2026/04/27/james-talaricos-pastor-said-the-trump-administration-wants-to-revive-the-confederacy-n2675128


MAY 4, 2026

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/04/world/video/bishop-trump-critic-lamb-live-050404aseg1-cnni-religion-fast


The Bishop of Palm Beach Manuel de Jesús Rodríguez wrote on X on Thursday: "The renewed attacks directed by President Trump against our Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV, are entirely inconsistent with the Pope’s longstanding witness to justice, peace, and the dignity of every human person."

Rodríguez has previously criticized Trump's immigration rhetoric and policies

MAY 07, 2026

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-criticized-bishop-palm-beach-hours-before-marco-rubio-pope-leo-meeting-11923091


“I think a lot of moderates, a lot of centrist Republicans and Democrats, are saying, ‘This is not right,'” Hamilton told Religion News Service. “Whether it’s how we treat immigrants and making people afraid in our own borders, or the rhetoric that comes out of Washington, or cutting programs like SNAP and other programs that affect low-income children and families in America, I think there’s a lot of pastors and a lot of Christians who have just said, ‘This is not us.'”

MAY 03, 2026

https://www.alternet.org/megachurch-trump/


https://www.instagram.com/pastorbrandonaz

Edit: inserting dates so that you can see it's not all recent, but has been going on for years. Yes, I did focus on a lot of the recent ones. And this is not all, I simply got tired of typing. It's tiring reporting on what the media resists reporting.

NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 122d

Lol, I had to go back and check your name, because I thought yappymonotheist had made a comeback.

zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 122d

Well, everyone who calls him a Christian, is the issue. He is a sect leader.

bedwyr@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 123d

Your question gets to the crux of the issue, I believe big money will betray religion, but religion could get the jump on big money, it won't though because there's such an overlap. Big money wins. Unless we stop them.

TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 123d

I assumed you were saying you want to know when the church replaces crucifixes and Christ references with trump. Doesn't seem far off to me.

meowmeow@quokk.au · 2 pts · 123d (8 replies)

Never. That’s the whole point of church. Anyone with half a brain knows there is no god and the [insert religious text] is a book created by man.

ryathal@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 123d (7 replies)

This is two separate churches, it's like asking why france doesn't remove the king of England.

OwOarchist@pawb.social · 5 pts · 123d

why france doesn’t remove the king of England

There were a few times in history that they tried to do so.

meowmeow@quokk.au · -3 pts · 123d (5 replies)

All churches are the same. They just have different bank accounts.

BestBouclettes@jlai.lu · 4 pts · 123d (4 replies)

Not really, Evangelicals don't recognise the Pope as an authority. It's only Roman Catholics.

meowmeow@quokk.au · -1 pts · 123d (3 replies)

Church is church. Church is money. Money is god.

Blibly@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 123d (1 reply)

They're trying so hard to miss your point lol

meowmeow@quokk.au · 1 pts · 123d

Right? ;)

backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 122d

Power is god, wealth is merely one of the easiest ways to attain and retain power. But don’t discount the power of the cult of personality, “prophets”, “saviors”, and the allure of divinely appointed superiority of a “select” group of people. There’s dirt-poor motherfuckers who murder, steal, and rape without a second thought because they are of the belief their god approves and they have the power to victimize someone.

kmartburrito@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 123d

zeppo@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 123d (1 reply)

What’s Donald Trump’s favorite book or passages from the Bible? “All of them”. New or old Testament? “Both”. It’s deeply personal though, so he won’t say.

spongebue@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 123d

And the Pope would probably only reference a few specific passages, probably doesn't even know any others. If President Trump said he loves them all, then CLEARLY he's read them all!

PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social · 37 pts · 122d (3 replies)

All religious people are liars.

But none so insidious and morally depraved as the American Christian.

arrow74@lemmy.zip · -8 pts · 122d (2 replies)

I mean I'll take this guy over honor killings of women any day.

There are certainly worse religious people around than this guy and the majority of American Christians are also better than this guy.

If we're comparing the traditional western or historically majority Christian nations then yeah the US is absolutely the worst.

PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social · 7 pts · 122d (1 reply)

ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE LIARS I DIDNT FUCKING STUTTER.

IF THIS OFFENDS YOU I AM TALKING ABOUT YOU.

thank you for your attention to this matter

  • Wayne Gretzky — Michael Scott
arrow74@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 122d

That's not what my comment said dude or what I was addressing at all.

Nuance is dead resume circle jerking

SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 29 pts · 122d (1 reply)

Bahnd@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 122d

Atleast my stock in Orville Redenbacher is doing well...

WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 122d

ZeroCool@piefed.ca · 25 pts · 122d

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The man doesn't even know how to hold a book correctly, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest he may actually be functionally illiterate. I highly doubt he's read a single verse of the bible.

blarth@thelemmy.club · 24 pts · 123d (1 reply)

These people are literally insane.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 123d

They're salesmen.

What they're saying is only "crazy" if it fails to move units. And this guy seems to have been very successful at moving merch

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 122d (2 replies)

So these people are stupid, of course.

They are not THAT stupid

They know what they're saying

They know it's all bullshit

They are also a pastor

This means that this pastor is full of shit and he knows it

He knows he's evil yet continues preaching for trump

This guy literally is the guy that imaginary bible warns about

And all "Christians" are following him because of course

cranakis@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 122d

Makes you wish it were real, just so he'd go to hell.

FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 122d

This unfortunately, these American Christian evangelicals are also chuds

Floon@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 122d

The US evangelical movement is entirely unconnected with what any rational person would call grace or love. It is a movement about hate and racism.

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 122d

Jesus: treat others with respect, love, peace.

Trump: make money by scamming people, blame others for your mistakes, start wars, prosecute minorities.

Yeah, Trump gets it.

ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 122d (2 replies)

Then ask him to recite literally any bible verse.

No1@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 122d

"You shall not put the Trump, your God, to the test."

Stern@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 122d
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 122d (2 replies)

Sorry but the words of a pedophile carry little weight with me.

glitch1985@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 122d (1 reply)

You referring to the pastor or Trump?

Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 122d

Yes.

treehugger6@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 123d (2 replies)
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PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 123d (1 reply)

I have no idea about those numbers, but I seem to be seeing religion pushed more and more in daily life. More religious vendors at the local farm shops, more young people (in our sphere) talking about it or involving themselves with it. My cynical self feels like it is subversively (isn’t it always?) being pushed.

Edit: Forgot to mention the billboards and bumper stickers I see too.

NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 122d

It's a decreasing amount overall, but the union of the christofascists with the current asshole in charge (and all his lackeys that help) allows a far greater reach, which they are hoping is enough to pull more people in.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 123d

Is there anything more Protestant than worshipping a golden calf, then getting mad when someone suggests that might be heresy.

Professorozone@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 122d (2 replies)

Dude didn't even know there was a new and old testament.

Taleya@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 122d (1 reply)

Most Americans don't,, based on their religious rantings

Professorozone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 115d

Yup, it's all old testy now.

AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 123d
Bwaz@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 123d (1 reply)

Is the pastor able to read ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek and understand the original context? Otherwise he doesn't understand the bible either, and that would be assuming he had actually read it in full himself. Trump himslf doesn't have an understanding of even 'see Spot run!'.

phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 123d

It's not clear he even reads English. He might be as illiterate as Trump.

AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 122d

Megachurches are a cancer on society.

Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 123d

Man, Donald Trump knows more about a religious text than a guy who has dedicated his entire life to it? Crazy.

bender223@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 122d

tomiant@piefed.social · 7 pts · 122d

"I am a reality denying whore!"

Redvenom@retrolemmy.com · 7 pts · 122d

You know Donny trump can't read for shit, He can't grasp even Bluey, that's why He summarizes and ad libs everything, He couldn't read an SNL scritp

Etterra@discuss.online · 6 pts · 122d

Hold up, I'm gonna check you're handbook.

For, “Whoever would love life and see good days must keep their tongue from evil and their lips from deceitful speech. They must turn from evil and do good; they must seek peace and pursue it.” -1 Peter 3:10-11

Oh hey check this one out too.

Eloquent lips are unsuited to a godless fool— how much worse lying lips to a ruler! -Proverbs 17:7

Damn y'all are just so fucking bad at your one job.

trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf · 5 pts · 122d

The Bible? No. My struggle? Yes.

Curious_Canid@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 123d

It simplifies life that any statement beginning with "Trump has a better understanding..." is false. That can be relied on at the same level of certainty as the laws of Thermodynamics.

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 122d

thats bullshit of course.

BillyClark@piefed.social · 5 pts · 123d

Depending on what is meant by "understanding", it might be true that Trump has a better understanding of the bible than Pope Leo.

If you're talking about a scholarly understanding, then surely Leo has a better understanding. I mean, Trump can barely read in the first place. He definitely hasn't ever read the bible on his own initiative. A small child who goes to Sunday school has a better scholarly understanding of the bible than Trump.

However, Trump at his core is a con man and game recognizes game, as they say. Religion is one of history's greatest cons. The bible was written by the uneducated, by lunatics and the delusional, and by confidence tricksters. So on that level, Trump likely understands that the bible is all bullshit that isn't worth the paper it's written on. And so in that way, it might be true that Trump understands the bible better than Pope Leo.

Triumph@fedia.io · 5 pts · 123d

The Bible is a weird maniacal rambling mess, so that tracks?

HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 122d

All religion is mental illness. But nothing gives me the heebie-jeebies more than "christian pastor". UGH

TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 122d

I guarantee dumbass has read no more than 100 words of the bible, and not necessarily consecutive words.

EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 123d

We talking the same guy that couldn't recite his favorite Bible passage?

Maeve@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 123d

The Cult of the Dead Merkavist has spawned multiple cults of the antichrists.

Eternal192@anarchist.nexus · 3 pts · 122d

This deluded loser is just as demented as Trump is and Trump barely understands breathing, so as long as it doesn't involve raping children he doesn't understand anything.

stumu415@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 122d

Hahahaha wawahahaha

yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 123d
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Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 123d

If Jesus the hardline orthodox Jew from first century Galilee came back to life today, or even a century after his death, he would be appalled that gentiles have created an entirely new religion out of the worship of his idol, and he’d have far more in common with those Jews who have adhered strictly to (his interpretation) of the laws in Leviticus, like the Haredim.

Of course there’s some nuance, Jesus was certainly a revolutionary looking to upend the established order, but these modern “Christians” are completely off the map in terms of what Jesus was doing and teaching.

Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 123d

I'm going to doubt that on the grounds that the dude seems to be functionally illiterate.

benjirenji@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 122d

Nice! Good laugh this morning. Where would we be without this clown?

mechoman444@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 122d (3 replies)

It's also funny because there's no way to understand the Bible better or worse.

What a weird world we live in.

sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 122d (2 replies)

There is! For example if someone like Peter Hegseth study bible by watching hollywood gangster movies, they tend to understand the bible less than a person who actually read it.

mechoman444@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 122d

Dang. You're right. You can always count on idiots to do idiotic things.

tacoplease@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 122d

Everything about the Bible I learned from The Boondocks Saints:

"And Shepherds we shall be For Thee my Lord, for Thee Power hath descended forth from Thy hand Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee And teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."