"Guinea", I figure I can type it even thought it's like n-word bad in Italian from what I understand. They kept using it in the godfather book, I really thought it was just a simple term of affection between bros.
late 70s-early 80s, growing up in central chicago as a kid - we had a catalog of slurs that everyone used up and down the street, dago, wop, guinea, polock, dink, etc., but none of us ever called a black person a negro or worse. I didn't hear that shit until I moved to Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana, and then, frequently. It's wild how times and values change.
idk about Italians idiosyncracy but in my country we would use the N word for both racial slurs and shows of affection. It would depend on context mainly.
Business people are used to KYC (Know Your Customer).
And since Sun Tzu taught all those assholes to know themselves as well as their customers, that also makes sense.
Unfortunately for them, I'm from the Internet...
Except it's just "Know Yourself", because the inscription was in ancient Greek, so when translating it to English, we'd use modern English, not centuries-old English which uses personal pronouns that haven't been used in English in centuries.
That doesn't change anything. Your entire point is that what we translate it to doesn't change the meaning. So how does that matter?
My point isn't that "Know Thyself" is the correct way. I was using that more or less interchangeably, since they're synonymous. My point was that it comes from the Greek, not from Sun Tzu.
And unless you can rationalize why the original inscription being in Greek somehow changes that, I don't see your point.
It does change the meaning. The only places someone is likely to encounter "thyself" today are in works from Shakespeare or in certain translations of the bible. As a result, people give certain weight to the term "Thyself" that they wouldn't to the modern meaning of the word "Yourself". "Thyself" is a word used by gods, "yourself" is a word used by normal people.
Again, unless you somehow take that as evidence that it was in fact Sun Tzu who said that, and not the inscription on the Temple of Apollo, then that makes no difference to what I said.
"Thyself" is a word used by gods, "yourself" is a word used by normal people.
Well seeing as it was inscribed on the literal temple of an ancient deity, it seems "Thyself" would be the more accurate translation, according to your own logic.
I think it means something more along the lines of "examine your latent biases and underlying assumptions, know the difference between perception and reality" but "go fuck yourself" works too, I guess...
Yes but here I was referring to Sun Tzu's Art of War in which he explains that if you know yourself (your own forces) and you know your enemy, you will win all your battles. Sorry for the confusion.
But yeah, perhaps the people in this picture were referring to that one?
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ddplf@szmer.info · 66 pts · 85d
For a long time I used to think that KYS stands for Know Your Shit, as in - learn about the topic before speaking about it
(you fucking bitch)So I would use it regularly and with no overly ill intentions, just throwing it at some people I would deem ignorant
Grimy@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 85d
I spent a summer using a racial slur because I thought it meant "dude" in Italian.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 85d
Which one?
Grimy@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 85d
"Guinea", I figure I can type it even thought it's like n-word bad in Italian from what I understand. They kept using it in the godfather book, I really thought it was just a simple term of affection between bros.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 85d
From reading it's talking about Italians with dark skin to say they aren't white.
Neat, I have expanded my vocabulary thanks to your efforts.
testaccount789@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 85d
Wikipedia has more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 85d
late 70s-early 80s, growing up in central chicago as a kid - we had a catalog of slurs that everyone used up and down the street, dago, wop, guinea, polock, dink, etc., but none of us ever called a black person a negro or worse. I didn't hear that shit until I moved to Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana, and then, frequently. It's wild how times and values change.
anzo@programming.dev · 1 pts · 84d
idk about Italians idiosyncracy but in my country we would use the N word for both racial slurs and shows of affection. It would depend on context mainly.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 85d
"Why does this say I've been banned from reddit permanently?"
TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 84d
That's really hilarious.
diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 85d
Savage
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 85d
Business people are used to KYC (Know Your Customer).
And since Sun Tzu taught all those assholes to know themselves as well as their customers, that also makes sense.
Unfortunately for them, I'm from the Internet...
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 85d
Sun tsu did it again!
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 84d
Wasnt that the Buddha? "Kill your parents, kill your master, kill yourself." And your customers.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 84d
Nah, it was the Buddha who said "You must lash out with every limb, like the octopus who plays the drums. And kill your customers"
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 85d
I think "Know Thyself" comes from an inscription over the entrance to the Temple of Apollo at Delphi
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 84d
merc@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 85d
Except it's just "Know Yourself", because the inscription was in ancient Greek, so when translating it to English, we'd use modern English, not centuries-old English which uses personal pronouns that haven't been used in English in centuries.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 85d
That doesn't change anything. Your entire point is that what we translate it to doesn't change the meaning. So how does that matter?
My point isn't that "Know Thyself" is the correct way. I was using that more or less interchangeably, since they're synonymous. My point was that it comes from the Greek, not from Sun Tzu.
And unless you can rationalize why the original inscription being in Greek somehow changes that, I don't see your point.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 84d
It does change the meaning. The only places someone is likely to encounter "thyself" today are in works from Shakespeare or in certain translations of the bible. As a result, people give certain weight to the term "Thyself" that they wouldn't to the modern meaning of the word "Yourself". "Thyself" is a word used by gods, "yourself" is a word used by normal people.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 84d
Again, unless you somehow take that as evidence that it was in fact Sun Tzu who said that, and not the inscription on the Temple of Apollo, then that makes no difference to what I said.
Well seeing as it was inscribed on the literal temple of an ancient deity, it seems "Thyself" would be the more accurate translation, according to your own logic.
Zachariah@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 85d
in the biblical sense, it means “go fuck yourself”
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 85d
I think it means something more along the lines of "examine your latent biases and underlying assumptions, know the difference between perception and reality" but "go fuck yourself" works too, I guess...
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 84d
Yes but here I was referring to Sun Tzu's Art of War in which he explains that if you know yourself (your own forces) and you know your enemy, you will win all your battles. Sorry for the confusion.
But yeah, perhaps the people in this picture were referring to that one?
nialv7@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 85d
kill your customers
Klear@piefed.world · 16 pts · 85d
Know yourself (in Minecraft)
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 12 pts · 85d
I got banned from YouTube for telling people to Know Them Selves. 😖
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 85d
Oh, I used to know my self two, three times a day in college /fry
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 85d
From the CKY leadership seminar. It was a real ball breaker.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 85d
yourself is one word though. That should just be "KY"
Donkter@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 85d
I do use KY jelly to know myself.
wabafee@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 85d
Thanks for the sign.
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 85d
Here's your sign.
wabafee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 84d
Thanks
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 84d
Any time twin
GhostFace@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 40d